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Techdiver - 2011-01-11 5:43 AM

I will bite on this.

There are so many factors that are played into this I agree, Many things that effect your HR. But this is the most tangeable data I have. Your body (well my body) is not always the best tool to tell you what is going on. As a diabetic it is often too late to tell what is going on long after it HAS gone on. So although it might be fine for you to just go on FEEL it is not fine for me. FEEL is still subjective vs quantifiable data. Ask me as an Eng I will take Quantifiable Data any day.

Ever go out for a run and at the end of a 5k route sit down on a curb 4 blocks from your own home and not no how to get home. I HAVE, when my blood sugar came crashing down on me. My only warning sign was my heart rate jumping up 15 BPM at the same effort/pace of running about 3 mins before it happened. In fact I had it happen a few times only I was prepared the next time.


Ever feel like your fine and then fall down your stairs and not no where you are in your own home. Again, I have, because I THOUGHT I knew my own body over what some glucose meter could tell me.

I rely on these tools and although someone like you might not, I HAVE to. Now with weight loss, I no longer take Metformin and my blood sugar stays in much better control. But I still need to watch my diet, proper foods for me, eat every 2 hours in small amounts, an Carry Gels on all workouts and every time I scuba dive.

Funny though Body Temperature Regulation plays more of an effect on bloodsugar then the physical work out does. Same run today will have zero effect on my blood sugar, but do the same run, pace etc on a HOT day and my blood sugar will drop like mad burning up to try and control my core temps.

So John I really appreciate your points and where you come from. It just doesn't work for me. By the Time my Body TELLS me. It may be too late.

I was lucky my neighbor stopped that day I was sitting on the curb lost 4 blocks from home. I was also lucky she had an orange juice with her that I drank and that she took me home and watched me while I ate and tested my blood sugars for the next 2 hours ever 15 mins. (ps my good friend made me buy a RoadID, which I wear at all times)

So I would just appreciate people that have some constructive information to chime in. Most of this info above is NOT for debate, unless you have the same background as I do, or good medical knowledge of it. If so have it.

I am happy to say that Triathlons, running and 50 lbs of weight loss has Mitigated most of this, but I am not going to kid myself and not watch all the data I can to ensure I don't hurt myself.

I do the same thing when I am scuba diving 300 feet underwater or 5000 feet back in an underwater cave.

Did I mention I load my dishwasher to max capacity  

ashort33 - 2011-01-11 11:56 AM

0 - we outsourced that $hi-t years ago... 

ashort33 - 2011-01-11 11:25 AM

When I am focused on a kick set, I try to imagine myself inside (at the center) one of those spring kid tunnels (see attached if they don't have those up in Canada, eh).  I try to make sure that my kick does not go outside the tunnel.  The only way I have found to do that and get any propulsion (no zoomers for me) is to kick more from the hips...

fattyfatfat - 2011-01-11 10:26 AM

i like it and would do it.  just keep in mind that you have to get back at a bit quicker than you might normally have to after a race.  not a big deal but something to keep in mind.  also, as andy points out you might want to go at more of a HIM pace, but that's a lot easier said than done once the gun goes off.  looks good! 

also think its a really cool idea to get Oshkosh in again, as you mentioned,  it would be an pretty cool guage of progress.  they should give away overalls at that race!

ashort33 - 2011-01-11 9:56 AM

0 - we outsourced that $hi-t years ago... 

TrevorC - 2011-01-11 2:44 PM FWIW, red italicized font mean - sarcasm....joking,etc.

Some people may not know that. Although, some people choose to not use it, and it can lead others down an incorrect path of assumptions.

ROCK ON!!

sstucker - 2011-01-11 1:31 PM


LOL, proud to be in North America where we can talk smack and not shoot each other.  Time for some beers, anyone in?  I hope I get to meet so of you this summer.

Cheers,

SoccerGK - 2011-01-11 2:10 PM

I talked to Ryan about it, and even though he doesn't want to do it (he thinks it'll throw off his HIM training), he said I could do it and he could cheer for me!  That's quite the change for us!  So I'm keeping it in the back of my head.  Not fully committed yet because I need to get some financials in order, what with me being out of paid work at the end of this month!

And you're right, it would be darn near impossible for me to go slower than race pace on any given day.  All my races are "A" races to me, I suppose! 

Also, I can't do my full marathon in October because I just realized that's Ryan's cousin's wedding weekend in Detroit.  Do you think August 27th is too soon after the HIM (July 17th) and even the Oshkosh sprint to be ready?  It's the only other marathon I can think of to do right now.

Thanks for all your help!

SoccerGK - 2011-01-11 1:10 PM

I talked to Ryan about it, and even though he doesn't want to do it (he thinks it'll throw off his HIM training), he said I could do it and he could cheer for me!  That's quite the change for us!  So I'm keeping it in the back of my head.  Not fully committed yet because I need to get some financials in order, what with me being out of paid work at the end of this month!

And you're right, it would be darn near impossible for me to go slower than race pace on any given day.  All my races are "A" races to me, I suppose! 

Also, I can't do my full marathon in October because I just realized that's Ryan's cousin's wedding weekend in Detroit.  Do you think August 27th is too soon after the HIM (July 17th) and even the Oshkosh sprint to be ready?  It's the only other marathon I can think of to do right now.

Thanks for all your help!

fattyfatfat - 2011-01-11 2:01 PM

how do i put this in red font?

SSMinnow - 2011-01-11 2:17 PM I'm late to the party, but let me throw in my two cents (which is often worth close to $1--he he), I think the Elkhart Oly is a great idea.  Depending on how you're feeling about your training you could use it as a good speedwork session or to test out your HIM pacing/nutritional strategy.  I'm doing an Oly the following week in preparation for Racine and plan to use it as a good speedwork test.

I believe it is too soon to do the 8/27 marathon after the HIM.  While I think you can be recovered, I don't think you will have the opportunity to do sufficient long runs leading up to it while still HIM training.  Something would have to be compromised and since DC is an A race, it wouldn't work IMO.  Have you considered the Haunted Hustle 10/29 or Whistlestop 10/15?  Both are fairly late in the season and would give you more time to build your long runs.

SSMinnow - 2011-01-11 12:17 PM

I'm late to the party, but let me throw in my two cents (which is often worth close to $1--he he), I think the Elkhart Oly is a great idea.  Depending on how you're feeling about your training you could use it as a good speedwork session or to test out your HIM pacing/nutritional strategy.  I'm doing an Oly the following week in preparation for Racine and plan to use it as a good speedwork test.

I believe it is too soon to do the 8/27 marathon after the HIM.  While I think you can be recovered, I don't think you will have the opportunity to do sufficient long runs leading up to it while still HIM training.  Something would have to be compromised and since DC is an A race, it wouldn't work IMO.  Have you considered the Haunted Hustle 10/29 or Whistlestop 10/15?  Both are fairly late in the season and would give you more time to build your long runs.

Techdiver - 2011-01-11 3:50 PM

Ok ok.. now that is funny.

Don't you mean America's Toque

fattyfatfat - 2011-01-11 2:59 PM

i was gonna say that but then figured those cowboys out west can barely spell their own names, let alone understand franco-canadienne.

kt65 - 2011-01-11 3:58 PM

I'm even later to the party, but that never stopped me before!  I like the placement of the Elkhart Oly.  I think my oly is the same weekend and my HIM the same as yours, too.  Doing a marathon 5 weeks after that seems really soon.  Not impossible, but it might be tough to get those long runs in so soon after your HIM.  I think it would be 2 more 20 or more mile runs and I am thinking your body will need some recovery so that gives you only 2 weeks. 

I know that the weather gets super cold in WI by Oct/November, but I would aim for either of those two months, or why rush?  You can always do another half marathon and shoot for a spring marathon. 

TrevorC - 2011-01-11 11:21 AM

Yes. She said learn to kick more from the hips!! Ha! Actually one thing she said was using myzommers on my kick sets will teach my legs better. If I only kick with ankles/knees, my legs will start to tire quickly.

SoccerGK - 2011-01-11 2:51 PM

I actually would like to do the Haunted Hustle, but I'm afraid it's just a little too late into the school year to really focus on it, since school really starts getting busy/crazy in October.  The reason the October 2 marathon worked was because I'd be tapering starting mid-September, meaning the peak training would only be in the first couple weeks of class, which are more manageable. 

Ryan had thought about the trail run marathon in Madison.  That seems like it could be iffy though.  What do you think?

Techdiver - 2011-01-11 4:17 PM Damn snow, just caused my swimming pool to close and cancel the masters class tonight BOOOO..

Now what.

gdale - 2011-01-11 1:39 PM


Just freaking run!!

Techdiver - 2011-01-11 4:17 PM Damn snow, just caused my swimming pool to close and cancel the masters class tonight BOOOO..

Now what.

Tobey91 - 2011-01-11 1:46 PM

Frustrating. 

Here in DC, they canceled the after-school programs today because it is FORECAST to snow later this evening.  I mean, C'MON.  It has not even started snowing yet.  Unbelievable.

Still hoping to do a 6 mile run tonight - possibly in that wonderful setting when it is lightly snowing and there is that beautiful glow in the air from the ambient light reflecting off the snowflakes.