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 2009-08-25 2:57 PM in reply to: #2368971 |
Regular 59  Bronze member |  Subject: RE: So why is it????As a follow up to my last post, its interesting that so many people are so concerned with how other people perceive them. Especially in tris, I find that I have so many things to think about, race strategy, pacing, nutrition, finding my bike in transition, remembering my helmet, not falling off my bike or tripping when I run, that I'm only thinking about myself. I don't have time to think about anyone else in a race, and I'm sure FOPers are not thinking about me (unless I did something stupid like set up my transition area all over their stuff), and well they shouldn't. And when I'm training or when I'm reading BT or ST or going about my day, I just have to assume that most people don't care that I'm never gonna run a sub 20 minute 5k or anything else. Anyone who makes a snarky comment about me, probably has too much time on their hands, and isn't worth it. But if someone posts an opinion here that is challenging to my ideas or anyone elses, I tend to still read it and see if there is something I can learn from it. Erica |
| 2009-08-25 3:03 PM in reply to: #2370044 |
Pro 3804     Seacoast, NH! | Subject: RE: So why is it???? ride_like_u_stole_it - 2009-08-25 3:56 PM I bailed on reading the entire thread at page 6. Here's my take as someone who has been racing MTB's, running, and Tris for 15 years. We all have different abilitites, except for those of us who have similar abilities. Run, bike, swim, eat, drink, sleep, work, play Crap....we basically wrote the same thing at the same time.....okay, mine was a bit more cheesey. Edited by jgerbodegrant 2009-08-25 3:04 PM |
| 2009-08-25 3:07 PM in reply to: #2370018 |
Master 4119 Toronto Bronze member | Subject: RE: So why is it???? JohnnyKay - 2009-08-25 3:48 PM bulldog520 - 2009-08-25 3:37 PM i read his post the same way lisa did and felt that he DOES judge people like myself who are just getting started and are SLOW and still sometimes walking during the run . And that's my point. You read a post and made an assumption. Which may be correct. Or not. I think you're splitting hairs - this person admitted to thinking and feeling something - what's the difference between a feeling and a judgement? Is it an action? Such as saying something? I personally take it to be a judgement as well. He doesn't want to be associated with the BOP or someone not 'competing up to his standards.' We don't have enough info to know what he does with that feeling/thought. People are entitled to their thoughts and feelings. But i am wondering if it such a leap to call it a judgement? Based on some observation and experience he has an opinion - how is that not a judgement? Often feelings manifest quite clearly in behaviours ... but we don't know for this person in particular. Anyway, this feeling of those in BOP as we've phrased can't just be mass paranoia - it does come from somewhere, i'd like to give them/me some benefit of a doubt that we're not a bunch of whining ninnies who are just sensitive to perceived slights. |
| 2009-08-25 3:12 PM in reply to: #2368971 |
| Extreme Veteran 844 | Subject: RE: So why is it???? I like cheese.... |
| 2009-08-25 3:23 PM in reply to: #2370075 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: So why is it???? juniperjen - 2009-08-25 4:07 PM JohnnyKay - 2009-08-25 3:48 PM bulldog520 - 2009-08-25 3:37 PM i read his post the same way lisa did and felt that he DOES judge people like myself who are just getting started and are SLOW and still sometimes walking during the run . And that's my point. You read a post and made an assumption. Which may be correct. Or not. I think you're splitting hairs - this person admitted to thinking and feeling something - what's the difference between a feeling and a judgement? Is it an action? Such as saying something? I personally take it to be a judgement as well. He doesn't want to be associated with the BOP or someone not 'competing up to his standards.' We don't have enough info to know what he does with that feeling/thought. People are entitled to their thoughts and feelings. But i am wondering if it such a leap to call it a judgement? Based on some observation and experience he has an opinion - how is that not a judgement? Often feelings manifest quite clearly in behaviours ... but we don't know for this person in particular. Anyway, this feeling of those in BOP as we've phrased can't just be mass paranoia - it does come from somewhere, i'd like to give them/me some benefit of a doubt that we're not a bunch of whining ninnies who are just sensitive to perceived slights. Fine. I'm "splitting hairs". But, splitting hairs is what all these discussions are almost always about and goes right to the OP's original question. And it's got nothing to do with "mass paranoia" in the BOP. Again, it's just a way that people interact. Regardless of what "buckets" you put them into. |
| 2009-08-25 3:29 PM in reply to: #2368971 |
| Veteran 132 Peabody MA | Subject: RE: So why is it???? I like turtles |
| 2009-08-25 3:38 PM in reply to: #2370113 |
| Regular 59 Bronze member | Subject: RE: So why is it???? JohnnyKay - 2009-08-25 3:23 PM i read his post the same way lisa did and felt that he DOES judge people like myself who are just getting started and are SLOW and still sometimes walking during the run . And I guess my question for everyone is what does it matter if someone is or is not judging other people? Ultimately it is human nature to judge. Why are we all so worried about what someone else is thinking about us? If I sat around worrying that everyone was gonna laugh at my painfully slow run, would it keep me out of the sport? Worried that I look fat in my tri suit, does that mean I'm not gonna show up to compete? Some people will judge and some people will not, but in the end, it has nothing to do with me. I'm gonna wake up, do my training, work towards my goals (which are mine and mine alone), take inspiration where I can, and disregard the rest. This is a website where I come to learn about triathons, get some training advice, sometimes laugh out loud at work, and on occassion cry at a very sad post. But I don't come here to get mad or worked up. I'm not interested in that. If I disagree with something someone writes, I disagree with it, but its no skin off my back. As long as I'm not in a race where someone has the nerve to push me out of the way as we're both heading towards the finish line, someone else's opinion has no bearing on me. Erica Edited by hussybowler5000 2009-08-25 3:38 PM |
| 2009-08-25 3:39 PM in reply to: #2368971 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: So why is it???? |
| 2009-08-25 3:42 PM in reply to: #2368971 |
Regular 186 SW VA | Subject: RE: So why is it???? Erica, well said  |
| 2009-08-25 3:43 PM in reply to: #2370161 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: So why is it???? |
| 2009-08-25 3:45 PM in reply to: #2370113 |
Master 4119 Toronto Bronze member | Subject: RE: So why is it???? JohnnyKay - 2009-08-25 4:23 PM juniperjen - 2009-08-25 4:07 PM JohnnyKay - 2009-08-25 3:48 PM bulldog520 - 2009-08-25 3:37 PM i read his post the same way lisa did and felt that he DOES judge people like myself who are just getting started and are SLOW and still sometimes walking during the run . And that's my point. You read a post and made an assumption. Which may be correct. Or not. I think you're splitting hairs - this person admitted to thinking and feeling something - what's the difference between a feeling and a judgement? Is it an action? Such as saying something? I personally take it to be a judgement as well. He doesn't want to be associated with the BOP or someone not 'competing up to his standards.' We don't have enough info to know what he does with that feeling/thought. People are entitled to their thoughts and feelings. But i am wondering if it such a leap to call it a judgement? Based on some observation and experience he has an opinion - how is that not a judgement? Often feelings manifest quite clearly in behaviours ... but we don't know for this person in particular. Anyway, this feeling of those in BOP as we've phrased can't just be mass paranoia - it does come from somewhere, i'd like to give them/me some benefit of a doubt that we're not a bunch of whining ninnies who are just sensitive to perceived slights. Fine. I'm "splitting hairs". But, splitting hairs is what all these discussions are almost always about and goes right to the OP's original question. And it's got nothing to do with "mass paranoia" in the BOP. Again, it's just a way that people interact. Regardless of what "buckets" you put them into. Agree on the interaction piece. Although all of feel us differently about competition and what their 'bucket' is and where otherp people think it should be (heehee) aspect just about everyone here is wildly supportive of one another and that's what matters ... Edited by juniperjen 2009-08-25 3:45 PM |
| 2009-08-25 3:45 PM in reply to: #2368971 |
Master 2621 Almaden Valley, San Jose, California | Subject: RE: So why is it???? SEVEN pages in 1 morning?!?! |
| 2009-08-25 3:45 PM in reply to: #2370075 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: So why is it???? juniperjen - 2009-08-25 3:07 PM JohnnyKay - 2009-08-25 3:48 PM bulldog520 - 2009-08-25 3:37 PM i read his post the same way lisa did and felt that he DOES judge people like myself who are just getting started and are SLOW and still sometimes walking during the run . And that's my point. You read a post and made an assumption. Which may be correct. Or not. I think you're splitting hairs - this person admitted to thinking and feeling something - what's the difference between a feeling and a judgement? Is it an action? Such as saying something? I personally take it to be a judgement as well.
Oh great, are we gonna throw triathletes shaving into the pot too?! I think only FOPers shave....
~Mike |
| 2009-08-25 3:46 PM in reply to: #2370161 |
| Regular 59 Bronze member | Subject: RE: So why is it???? |
| 2009-08-25 3:46 PM in reply to: #2370183 |
Master 4119 Toronto Bronze member | Subject: RE: So why is it???? Rogillio - 2009-08-25 4:45 PM juniperjen - 2009-08-25 3:07 PM JohnnyKay - 2009-08-25 3:48 PM bulldog520 - 2009-08-25 3:37 PM i read his post the same way lisa did and felt that he DOES judge people like myself who are just getting started and are SLOW and still sometimes walking during the run . And that's my point. You read a post and made an assumption. Which may be correct. Or not. I think you're splitting hairs - this person admitted to thinking and feeling something - what's the difference between a feeling and a judgement? Is it an action? Such as saying something? I personally take it to be a judgement as well.
Oh great, are we gonna throw triathletes shaving into the pot too?! I think only FOPers shave....
~Mike haha - well that is also a well discussed one ... Can we have a Big BT group hug now ...  We love all buckets |
| 2009-08-25 3:50 PM in reply to: #2370189 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: So why is it???? juniperjen - 2009-08-25 3:46 PM Rogillio - 2009-08-25 4:45 PM juniperjen - 2009-08-25 3:07 PM JohnnyKay - 2009-08-25 3:48 PM bulldog520 - 2009-08-25 3:37 PM i read his post the same way lisa did and felt that he DOES judge people like myself who are just getting started and are SLOW and still sometimes walking during the run . And that's my point. You read a post and made an assumption. Which may be correct. Or not. I think you're splitting hairs - this person admitted to thinking and feeling something - what's the difference between a feeling and a judgement? Is it an action? Such as saying something? I personally take it to be a judgement as well.
Oh great, are we gonna throw triathletes shaving into the pot too?! I think only FOPers shave....
~Mike haha - well that is also a well discussed one ... Can we have a Big BT group hug now ... We love all buckets
Just keep your bucket out of T1/T2 or you'll get your haid bitten off. ~mike |
| 2009-08-25 3:50 PM in reply to: #2370189 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: So why is it???? I think a dodgeball game should be used to settle this... |
| 2009-08-25 4:15 PM in reply to: #2368971 |
Expert 1690 | Subject: RE: So why is it???? |
| 2009-08-25 9:13 PM in reply to: #2370182 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: So why is it???? velcromom - 2009-08-25 4:45 PM SEVEN pages in 1 morning?!?! You just have to ask the right questions and stir the pot a little ........ things will take off. (Or just leave an "ignore this thread" thread and see what happens). Not too mention that IMKY and IMCA are this weekend, so there are a lot of people in full on taper madness right now.  |
| 2009-08-25 9:20 PM in reply to: #2370153 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: So why is it???? hussybowler5000 - 2009-08-25 1:38 PM JohnnyKay - 2009-08-25 3:23 PM i read his post the same way lisa did and felt that he DOES judge people like myself who are just getting started and are SLOW and still sometimes walking during the run . And I guess my question for everyone is what does it matter if someone is or is not judging other people? Ultimately it is human nature to judge. Why are we all so worried about what someone else is thinking about us? If I sat around worrying that everyone was gonna laugh at my painfully slow run, would it keep me out of the sport? Worried that I look fat in my tri suit, does that mean I'm not gonna show up to compete? Some people will judge and some people will not, but in the end, it has nothing to do with me. I'm gonna wake up, do my training, work towards my goals (which are mine and mine alone), take inspiration where I can, and disregard the rest. This is a website where I come to learn about triathons, get some training advice, sometimes laugh out loud at work, and on occassion cry at a very sad post. But I don't come here to get mad or worked up. I'm not interested in that. If I disagree with something someone writes, I disagree with it, but its no skin off my back. As long as I'm not in a race where someone has the nerve to push me out of the way as we're both heading towards the finish line, someone else's opinion has no bearing on me. Erica ^^^ And there it is...the question I ask myself every time one of the sort of threads Rick brought up to start this pops up... |
| 2009-08-25 10:31 PM in reply to: #2370762 |
Regular 534 Philadelphia | Subject: RE: So why is it???? tcovert - 2009-08-25 10:20 PM hussybowler5000 - 2009-08-25 1:38 PM JohnnyKay - 2009-08-25 3:23 PM i read his post the same way lisa did and felt that he DOES judge people like myself who are just getting started and are SLOW and still sometimes walking during the run . And I guess my question for everyone is what does it matter if someone is or is not judging other people? Ultimately it is human nature to judge. Why are we all so worried about what someone else is thinking about us? <snip> ^^^ And there it is...the question I ask myself every time one of the sort of threads Rick brought up to start this pops up... Oh, quit acting all holier-than-thou, "I'm so great I don't care what people think"... you think we're all small-minded and stupid, you probably just want the rest of us to quit posting and get out of your enlightened way! |
| 2009-08-26 6:43 AM in reply to: #2368971 |
Pro 3804 Seacoast, NH! | Subject: RE: So why is it???? |
| 2009-08-26 8:23 AM in reply to: #2368971 |
Expert 1203 | Subject: RE: So why is it???? Being a noob to this sport I can tell you that I hate to get passed by FOP, MOP, BOP, small children, old people using walkers, etc. In fact I often go to the school my wife teaches at so that I can beat those little 3rd graders in the dirt on a race. What can I say, that's just how I roll. Really though, I have competed in 2 events so far and was passed early and often. The only thing it made me think of when someone blew past me was that I need to get faster and work harder. They likely earned that speed by hard work and effort but if they passed me because they are just naturally gifted athletes that just decided that morning to do a sprint tri then &$*!'em (sarcasm). I know that the likelyhood of me ever placing in my AG is slim. However, in both races I have done I set a time goal for each event and transition and worked my arse off to hit them. Missed it by 4 minutes in both events, no excuses just need to train more. One other thing, thanks to that FOP of packer that encouraged me when I my calf was locked up and I was stretching it out on the side of the road at the run start of my first event. "Run it out, you can do this" was exactly what I needed to hear at the time. |
| 2009-08-26 8:23 AM in reply to: #2370997 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: So why is it???? jgerbodegrant - 2009-08-26 6:43 AM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! .......oops! 
Bless you!
(sorry, just wanted to get the last word in) |
| 2009-08-26 8:50 AM in reply to: #2368971 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: So why is it???? Post count padder .......  |
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