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No idea, ask Big Appa.  It seemed you were suggesting that CFA, through it's charitable arm WinShape, was merely voicing an opinion and not acting in a discriminatory fashion.  I gave an example (assuming true) where it was actually acting in a discriminatory fashion. 

Define charitable arm, it is a part of the corporation of is it a separate entity that CF gives money to?

I believe the later.  I understand it was founded by the owners and is funded by CFA and the owners, possibly others.

Again murkier water.  If CF does not exist soley to provide funds to WS then it is still the owners NPO.  As it seems to be a non denominational religious organization and a private foundation seems to me it is much like the catholic church or Augusta CC in that and falls under freedom of religion and freedom of association.  Unless you all want to boycott the catholic church.  The question is does CF refuse to hire or serve gay people, If not then they are not discriminating even if they donate to a religious organization that for religious grounds refuses to admit gay couples which is their right apparently.  

Still not going to eat there.

I can honestly say I am not sure we even have Chik Fil A in my area but this wouldn't stop me from going, what would stop me from going is I don;t eat fast food.

With regard to gay marriage, I encourage all my gay friends to get married so that they can suffer as much as the rest of us until they end up divorced.  I mean equality is the key right? 

OK, maybe that's a bit sarcastic but really who cares?  I firmly believe that until my house it totally in perfect order I am not going to run to the neighbor's to fix it up!

I am boycotting, as I boycott the Boy Scouts and as I boycotted Target until they retracted and even recently had a male couple ad for a wedding registry.  I am married to my husband.  Legally married in the state of California, for now at least.  I respect Chic fil A's right to voice an opinion, I do not respect nor believe it their right to have my patronage.  The problem is, this isn't just about "voicing" an opinion.  A story was run recently that Mr. Cathy donated to a group whose missionary in Africa help pass legislation that allowed gays in that specific country to be killed for being gay (not sure if this has been proven true yet).  I cannot stand idly by while money made by this company goes towards rhetoric that propagates the self loathing that so many gay men and women go through.   I respect the fact that you have a certain belief structure, I do not respect the actions of of trying to keep me from my belief.  If, your religion says that two men or two women can not marry each other.  Great!  I won't get married in your church...but do not push legislation that prevents me from getting married in my church, or by the city. (I also think it funny that most people ignore the fact that in Leviticus, we aren't suppose to eat pork, and several Chick Fil A meals come with sausage...Just a side note.

for those who find the boycott a sign of intolerance, or call it a war on religion, it is neither.  Most of us are extremely tolerant of someones religious belief.  We hear it everyday of our lives, we get accustom to being compared to child molesters and murderers and being blamed for tragedies like Aurora or Katrina...and for most of us, we say, " go ahead believe that!"  But do not actively try to legislate my life or my beliefs, and do not tell me that DPs are the same as marriage. 

Finally, we should not be calling it Gay Marriage...It is just marriage.  I did not go for a "gay" run last night...I didn't do gay grocery shopping...and I didn't have gay dinner last night.  It is just my union to my husband, whom I love with all my heart and have been with for 16 years.  I just want to have the same benefits that other people get.  (i.e. Sally Rides partner not getting the same survivor benefits that a male husband would get.) 

Ok...I am not sure this post makes any sense.  I got very little sleep last night.  To sum up...for those who are going to continue patronage of Chic Fil A realize that the money that you give is going towards political actions not just in this country, but other countries, where peoples lives are forfeit if you try to live your life happily and openly. 

Jesus appointed men to the position of apostles, the priests are the succesors of those twleve. Women served in otehr capacities. Look up the New Testament and you will see Lydia and Priscilla.

Sup Wolf, nice post.

So their discrimination is based on religion. what is your point?

You're separating out (and are technically correct) two organizations that seem fairly obviously to be less than an arms length distance.  While technically they have a complete separation under legal terms, the closeness with which they operate seems uncanny to me.  Winshape is a charity founded by the founder of CFA.  CFA is it's major (if not only) sponsor.  Father runs Winshape and son runs CFA.  Charities (charitable arms) such as this, in my experience, are created to funnel money in the interests of the body (ie, CFA) while creating a tax deduction for the body and doing some good for the community too.

I'll give you a real life example.  My company has a charity.  In their bylaws they have to donate $15 mill per yr.  They decided to donate to a local hospital for several years in a row.  When construction started for a new wing, guess who's product went into that building?  Hmmmm, that's strange, I wonder how that happened?  Was it intentional?  Absolutely.

I am a 90% boycott'er.

I don't support them spending the money that they have off on me for this.

It is usually moot, because fast-food is rarely ever an option for me or my family.

We also prefer local over franchise chains, which is TOUGH in Southern California compared to New England.

However, if I was stuck with needing to feed the kids and my choice was Chik-Fil-A versus McD, BK, Taco Bell, etc., I would probably choose Chik-Fil-A which I believe is a better option for the kids.

It is such a shame.

No other fast-food place near me has as good food, a cleaner play area, puts books about role-models across the world in their kid meals, etc.

I also have fond associations from my days at Cheer Nationals.

I wish there was someone comparable with better politics.

I see what you are saying completely hence the murkier water.  They are separte entities with a close association, that muddies the water considerably.

That is untrue.  Petroleum products refined here in the US, most likely DO NOT have mid east oil in them. 

Interesting spin.

Ok so say you boycott CF and shut them down making the owner basically "pay the price" for his opinions and for sponsering WS.  What about all the ancillary damage you cause to people who have nothing to do with the owner's views, eg the employees, the suppliers, the truckers that deliver to the stores etc.?  Not exactly a great jobs environment out there so it's not like the employees can leave en masse?  You hurt them as well when their hours are cut or they lose their jobs completely.  Same for the suppliers and their employees.

I must be missing your point, or possibly the whole "discrimination" angle put an unnecessary spin on this.  Again, there is no government agency attempting to prevent CFA from acting exactly as it does (I agree with you regarding Chicago, if that materializes).  People are freely choosing not to do business with CFA based on some combination of (1) where it sends its money, (2) the opinions expressed by the owners, or (3) something else.  The boycott does not violate CFA's, or its owner's, Constitutional rights. 

I do boycott the Catholic church, as far as I know.

This argument falls apart if the money I would otherwise spend at CFA is spent elsewhere.

It does seem to me though that given how our politicians are basically just puppets of the special interests which spend millions of dollars to get them elected, voting with your wallet is about the only way of influencing anything a regular person has left.

At least five listed are Muslim nations.

Oh I basically agree with you on both of those, people abosolutly have the right to vote with their feet by not patronizing CF.  I also understand and wholly support anyone who chooses to do so.  I do not and have never eaten there and I do not plan to start now so it is a moot point for me.  The government however does not have the right to withold building permits or block new construction in any way or they are abridging freedom of speech.

The post you originally quoted had to do with the comparison to voting rights and discrimination.  CF does not refuse to hire or serve homosexuals married or un.  In that sense the comparison is invalid.  The close association with WS does muddy the waters considerably.

but you assume those employed etc. at CF can get jobs where you choose to spend your money.  You will also induce frictional unemployment in the transition.

Prob because they are too busy funding the Clerics in their own countries who beat and stone homosexuals.