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 2010-09-19 4:45 PM in reply to: #3106794 |
Champion  19812     MA |  Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official ThreadSocks - 2010-09-19 3:07 PM kevmk81 - 2010-09-19 10:46 AM I've got another question for those that know about the course: I'm wondering what type of course the run is. Concrete? Rocks? Smooth? Rough? Lots of cracks? Asphalt? Run at all off the street (grass, dirt, etc)?? I guess I could email the RD, but I'm sure I'll get an answer from you guys! Thanks! Most of it is on streets which I assume are asphalt. There is a section where you run on the concrete side walk. IN the park its paved. Really not too much in the line of cracks pot holes etc. Really nothing on dirt/grass unless you choose to run on the side of the road. I would highly suggest a light for your hat if you will be a late finisher (LIKE ME) Its extremely dark in the park. I rode the run course and recall quite a few speed bumps. |
| 2010-09-19 8:26 PM in reply to: #3103330 |
Veteran 593 Mandeville | Subject: RE: Pacing Strategy Bike: I've heard that a reasonable multiplier for HIM bike to IM bike is 2.2. That would put my IM time at 5:39 or 19.8 mph. That's quite a bit faster than my training rides of late. But, I'm doing my training with rolling hills, unsupported, and open road conditions. This is the biggest variable in my plan, so I was thinking about back off speed for an even 6 hrs (18.7 mph). Run: As I said, my open marathon time is close to 4 hrs. At gulf coast HIM, I averaged about 8:45 min/mile for 9 miles. The last 4 miles were a struggle as the heat became an issue for me and I ended up walking the last 4 at about 13 min/mile. Here is my opinion, and take it for what it's worth, because this is my first IM as well, BUT I think the 2.2 rationale might be a bit too ambitious. I'll tell you why I say this. Giving too much on the bike is probably the biggest pitfall I hear from IM'ers. I have heard things like 1 mph too much on the bike can cost you 1-2 min PER MILE!! WOW, thats :30 -1 hour of suffering on the run. For example, a 19 minute time savings on the bike from 18.5 mph to 19.5 mph may cost you an hour on the run. Forget about the time issue here, but an easier bike will also set up a more enjoyable run. Unless of course, your fastest time is the only way to enjoy the race. I'm also around a 5:30 HIM'er as well. Bike around 21 mph and run around 2:05 for HIM. I have been doing all my IM training by heart rate and have already done four 100 mile rides (and the heat has definitely played a roll), but I've seen alot of slowing on the bike for that kind if distance. I noticed your 6 hour back off time was a bit slower than the 2.2 figure you mentioned, I just wanted to say my strategy is if in doubt on the bike, slow it down on the run. You can always gain time on the marathon if you have "fresh" legs. If you get to the marathon and like your time, keep it relaxed and have a fun run. Just my 2 cents. Good luck. |
| 2010-09-19 8:39 PM in reply to: #2512129 |
Master 1584 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread I just finished Savageman in 5:58:11 - tough, tough course. |
| 2010-09-19 9:05 PM in reply to: #2512129 |
Member 45 | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread This will be my first IM and Im following the program on this site...I did the 4:20 bike and 30 min run today and legs felt fresh as could be after getting off the bike. I really feel like I have nailed my nutrition and pacing plan. Bring on Florida!!! |
| 2010-09-20 6:10 AM in reply to: #3107124 |
Champion 7704 Williamston, Michigan | Subject: RE: Pacing Strategy LSUfan4444 - 2010-09-19 9:26 PM Bike: I've heard that a reasonable multiplier for HIM bike to IM bike is 2.2. That would put my IM time at 5:39 or 19.8 mph. That's quite a bit faster than my training rides of late. But, I'm doing my training with rolling hills, unsupported, and open road conditions. This is the biggest variable in my plan, so I was thinking about back off speed for an even 6 hrs (18.7 mph). Run: As I said, my open marathon time is close to 4 hrs. At gulf coast HIM, I averaged about 8:45 min/mile for 9 miles. The last 4 miles were a struggle as the heat became an issue for me and I ended up walking the last 4 at about 13 min/mile. Here is my opinion, and take it for what it's worth, because this is my first IM as well, BUT I think the 2.2 rationale might be a bit too ambitious. I'll tell you why I say this. Giving too much on the bike is probably the biggest pitfall I hear from IM'ers. I have heard things like 1 mph too much on the bike can cost you 1-2 min PER MILE!! WOW, thats :30 -1 hour of suffering on the run. For example, a 19 minute time savings on the bike from 18.5 mph to 19.5 mph may cost you an hour on the run. Forget about the time issue here, but an easier bike will also set up a more enjoyable run. Unless of course, your fastest time is the only way to enjoy the race. I'm also around a 5:30 HIM'er as well. Bike around 21 mph and run around 2:05 for HIM. I have been doing all my IM training by heart rate and have already done four 100 mile rides (and the heat has definitely played a roll), but I've seen alot of slowing on the bike for that kind if distance. I noticed your 6 hour back off time was a bit slower than the 2.2 figure you mentioned, I just wanted to say my strategy is if in doubt on the bike, slow it down on the run. You can always gain time on the marathon if you have "fresh" legs. If you get to the marathon and like your time, keep it relaxed and have a fun run. Just my 2 cents. Good luck. An then there are those of us for whom no matter what happens on the bike the run will be a sufferfest. I actually disagree with the 2.2 bike thing too but in the opposite way. My best IM bike time is 6:07 my best HIM bike time is 2:54 which applying the 2.2 bike rule would give me a 6 hour 23 minute bike time. Pretty close I guess. But my point is we are all different athletes and you need to do what is right for YOU not some made up calculation. What is right for one athlete is not right for another. IF you are an amazing runner this stuff might hold true for you. |
| 2010-09-20 6:33 AM in reply to: #3107135 |
Expert 1360 | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread jcnipper - 2010-09-19 9:39 PM I just finished Savageman in 5:58:11 - tough, tough course. Impressive! did you take the detour or bike up the really steep hill? |
| 2010-09-20 10:09 AM in reply to: #2512129 |
Veteran 239 Austin | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Not meaning to sound antagonistic here, but after all the hoopla about people wanting shirts, I only have responses from 7: |
| 2010-09-20 10:53 AM in reply to: #2512129 |
Expert 1139 Austin | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Just sent a shirt e-mail. |
| 2010-09-20 11:21 AM in reply to: #2512129 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread I did my first 100 mile bike yesterday. It went ok for the first 80 miles, but the last 20 were a bit of a struggle. Considering I ran 13 on Saturday, and we're still 6 weeks from race day, I'm not dissatisfied with that. A few more 100+ mile rides, and I think I'll be set. |
| 2010-09-20 11:38 AM in reply to: #3107701 |
Expert 1360 | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread triplebypat - 2010-09-20 11:09 AM Not meaning to sound antagonistic here, but after all the hoopla about people wanting shirts, I only have responses from 7: I remember way back someone posted that they won't be online during the fall and wanted an e-mail sent to them regarding shirts... Does anyone remember who posted that and when? |
| 2010-09-20 11:45 AM in reply to: #3107956 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Daffodil - 2010-09-20 12:38 PM triplebypat - 2010-09-20 11:09 AM Not meaning to sound antagonistic here, but after all the hoopla about people wanting shirts, I only have responses from 7: I remember way back someone posted that they won't be online during the fall and wanted an e-mail sent to them regarding shirts... Does anyone remember who posted that and when? Jen DiCarlo but she is back from Iraq and should be good to order one now. Folks are slow to respond to these things and usually we have a couple of weeks not just a week to get orders together. |
| 2010-09-20 11:47 AM in reply to: #2512129 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: t-shirts We are going to have shirts for racers and a different one for support crew right? In past we offered both tech fabric and regular t shirts with the later being cheaper. Is that the case this year? Count effects price but, does anyone recall how much they were last year for both kids, adults, t shirt and tech, it may help folks commit to them. |
| 2010-09-20 11:51 AM in reply to: #3107970 |
Expert 1360 | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread KathyG - 2010-09-20 12:45 PM Daffodil - 2010-09-20 12:38 PM triplebypat - 2010-09-20 11:09 AM Not meaning to sound antagonistic here, but after all the hoopla about people wanting shirts, I only have responses from 7: I remember way back someone posted that they won't be online during the fall and wanted an e-mail sent to them regarding shirts... Does anyone remember who posted that and when? Jen DiCarlo but she is back from Iraq and should be good to order one now. Folks are slow to respond to these things and usually we have a couple of weeks not just a week to get orders together. I found the post and she mentioned something about someone hitting her over the head if she didn't respond... Should we post on the main IM forum in case people aren't checking this thread regularly? What colour was decided on? Edited by Daffodil 2010-09-20 11:53 AM |
| 2010-09-20 12:08 PM in reply to: #3107984 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread Daffodil - 2010-09-20 11:51 AM KathyG - 2010-09-20 12:45 PM Daffodil - 2010-09-20 12:38 PM triplebypat - 2010-09-20 11:09 AM Not meaning to sound antagonistic here, but after all the hoopla about people wanting shirts, I only have responses from 7: I remember way back someone posted that they won't be online during the fall and wanted an e-mail sent to them regarding shirts... Does anyone remember who posted that and when? Jen DiCarlo but she is back from Iraq and should be good to order one now. Folks are slow to respond to these things and usually we have a couple of weeks not just a week to get orders together. I found the post and she mentioned something about someone hitting her over the head if she didn't respond... Should we post on the main IM forum in case people aren't checking this thread regularly? What colour was decided on? Hi there...yes, I probably did say something like that!  I've only been back 4 weeks and I'm just now finally settling into normal life again. I was out of town all last week visiting my coach and getting my NEW BIKE fit up. Pictures to come.Anyway, I sent him an e-mail. I will start paying attention in the thread now! Did I miss anything exciting? I am lazy and doubt I'll have time to read the million back pages I have waiting for me... |
| 2010-09-20 12:22 PM in reply to: #3107914 |
Expert 1139 Austin | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread TriMyBest - 2010-09-20 11:21 AM I did my first 100 mile bike yesterday. It went ok for the first 80 miles, but the last 20 were a bit of a struggle. Considering I ran 13 on Saturday, and we're still 6 weeks from race day, I'm not dissatisfied with that. A few more 100+ mile rides, and I think I'll be set. Nice job on the ride! I was right there with you on those last 15-20 miles when I did mine Saturday. Now I just need to figure out how to run and I'll be good to go in November. |
| 2010-09-20 1:07 PM in reply to: #3107373 |
Veteran 593 Mandeville | Subject: RE: Pacing Strategy But my point is we are all different athletes and you need to do what is right for YOU not some made up calculation. What is right for one athlete is not right for another. IF you are an amazing runner this stuff might hold true for you. I kinda disagree. Pushing too much on the bike will hurt your run not matter your age, skill level or speed. Your level of pain and suffering on the run could be attributde to MANY different things, form, nutrition, lack of proper run training, overtraining, being undertrained etc, BUT pushing too hard on the bike will make anyone suffer MORE on the run. Look at the pro's, guys like Macca and Chris Lieto want to hammer the bike so that it might hurt great runners like Crowie and Raelert who will try and push too hard on the bike to try and keep up. Now look at BOP'ers, they're even more affected by pushing the bike too hard. Top level runners may have their time slowed down a little by puching too hard on the bike. AG'ers may have their day ruined and they're race finished by pushing too hard on the bike. I'd venture to say, keeping it reeled in on the bike is more important for the worst runners, not the best runners. You also can't really compare PR's to get an accurate pacing guideline. If you use your body and experience as a guide to set your race pace, you certainly don't want to use your best times as the basis. |
| 2010-09-20 4:21 PM in reply to: #3099262 |
Expert 658 San Diego | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread GMAN 19030 - 2010-09-15 4:55 AM Here is my ride... I didn't read thru all the responses yet so my question could have been answered, but how did you mount that bottle cage between the bars? Just a regular cage and zip ties or something or is it some sort of kit? |
| 2010-09-20 5:06 PM in reply to: #3108630 |
Veteran 405 Memphis, TN | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread I finally heard back from the t-shirt company and the prices are the same as last year. The regular shirts are $15 and the drifits are $23.50. We'll have the athlete shirts as well as the "BT SUPPORT CREW" shirts. I'll need the money prior to ordering the shirts. All orders need to be in by the 9th of October. It'll take about 2 weeks to make them and I want to allow 2 weeks prior to the race to ship them out. My paypal account is under [email protected]. Please be sure to include you're address, shirt size, type of shirt, athlete or supporter, and bt name. |
| 2010-09-20 5:49 PM in reply to: #3108630 |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread I have a Xlab Torpedo mount: http://www.xlab-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=artic... The cage mounts to that and straps to the aerobars. The straps suck and rip apart at the seam with the plastic loop on the strap - so I do use zip ties. You can just mount a cage with zip ties and save the $40 on the mount. |
| 2010-09-20 10:36 PM in reply to: #3108697 |
Veteran 239 Austin | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread jccbulldog - 2010-09-20 5:06 PM I finally heard back from the t-shirt company and the prices are the same as last year. The regular shirts are $15 and the drifits are $23.50. We'll have the athlete shirts as well as the "BT SUPPORT CREW" shirts. I'll need the money prior to ordering the shirts. All orders need to be in by the 9th of October. It'll take about 2 weeks to make them and I want to allow 2 weeks prior to the race to ship them out. My paypal account is under [email protected]. Please be sure to include you're address, shirt size, type of shirt, athlete or supporter, and bt name. JCC - I will email you the shirt requests I have received to date. Thanks for taking care of the shirts. Those of you who have sent me your information just need to provide your address for the shipping (and pay the man!) Looks like I got ahead of the game... sorry about that. |
| 2010-09-21 10:23 AM in reply to: #3108024 |
Regular 72 Baltimore, MD | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread jldicarlo - 2010-09-20 1:08 PM Welcome back Jen. Basically to summarize what you missed while you were gone:Everyone has ridden their bike a lot, some aren't running as much as they would like and others too much, a number of people sustained injuries but are on the road to recoveries, vacations and life interferences, nutrition talk, bike show and tell, and tshirt orders of course. There, now you are caut up and know exactly what you missed ;-) Thanks for serving our country! Daffodil - 2010-09-20 11:51 AM KathyG - 2010-09-20 12:45 PM Daffodil - 2010-09-20 12:38 PM triplebypat - 2010-09-20 11:09 AM Not meaning to sound antagonistic here, but after all the hoopla about people wanting shirts, I only have responses from 7: I remember way back someone posted that they won't be online during the fall and wanted an e-mail sent to them regarding shirts... Does anyone remember who posted that and when? Jen DiCarlo but she is back from Iraq and should be good to order one now. Folks are slow to respond to these things and usually we have a couple of weeks not just a week to get orders together. I found the post and she mentioned something about someone hitting her over the head if she didn't respond... Should we post on the main IM forum in case people aren't checking this thread regularly? What colour was decided on? Hi there...yes, I probably did say something like that! I've only been back 4 weeks and I'm just now finally settling into normal life again. I was out of town all last week visiting my coach and getting my NEW BIKE fit up. Pictures to come.Anyway, I sent him an e-mail. I will start paying attention in the thread now! Did I miss anything exciting? I am lazy and doubt I'll have time to read the million back pages I have waiting for me... |
| 2010-09-21 10:06 PM in reply to: #2512129 |
Expert 1148 Santa Fe, New Mexico Silver member | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread random Tuesday night post. I must like being sore and tired... And hungry all the time. that is all. |
| 2010-09-21 10:18 PM in reply to: #3109689 |
Master 2005 South Florida | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread gravesjo - 2010-09-21 11:23 AM jldicarlo - 2010-09-20 1:08 PM Welcome back Jen. Basically to summarize what you missed while you were gone:Everyone has ridden their bike a lot, some aren't running as much as they would like and others too much, a number of people sustained injuries but are on the road to recoveries, vacations and life interferences, nutrition talk, bike show and tell, and tshirt orders of course. There, now you are caut up and know exactly what you missed ;-) Thanks for serving our country! Daffodil - 2010-09-20 11:51 AM KathyG - 2010-09-20 12:45 PM Daffodil - 2010-09-20 12:38 PM triplebypat - 2010-09-20 11:09 AM Not meaning to sound antagonistic here, but after all the hoopla about people wanting shirts, I only have responses from 7: I remember way back someone posted that they won't be online during the fall and wanted an e-mail sent to them regarding shirts... Does anyone remember who posted that and when? Jen DiCarlo but she is back from Iraq and should be good to order one now. Folks are slow to respond to these things and usually we have a couple of weeks not just a week to get orders together. I found the post and she mentioned something about someone hitting her over the head if she didn't respond... Should we post on the main IM forum in case people aren't checking this thread regularly? What colour was decided on? Hi there...yes, I probably did say something like that! I've only been back 4 weeks and I'm just now finally settling into normal life again. I was out of town all last week visiting my coach and getting my NEW BIKE fit up. Pictures to come.Anyway, I sent him an e-mail. I will start paying attention in the thread now! Did I miss anything exciting? I am lazy and doubt I'll have time to read the million back pages I have waiting for me... THAT'S FUNNY!!!! |
| 2010-09-22 8:12 AM in reply to: #3108697 |
Pro 5123 Canandaigua NY | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread jccbulldog - 2010-09-20 6:06 PM I finally heard back from the t-shirt company and the prices are the same as last year. The regular shirts are $15 and the drifits are $23.50. We'll have the athlete shirts as well as the "BT SUPPORT CREW" shirts. I'll need the money prior to ordering the shirts. All orders need to be in by the 9th of October. It'll take about 2 weeks to make them and I want to allow 2 weeks prior to the race to ship them out. My paypal account is under [email protected]. Please be sure to include you're address, shirt size, type of shirt, athlete or supporter, and bt name. I would love to order a shirt or 2, but have never used paypal before. Can someone give me a brief tutorial? Do I need a paypal account? I know, I am way behind the times but the need has never presented itself before!! |
| 2010-09-22 9:33 PM in reply to: #2512129 |
Veteran 405 Memphis, TN | Subject: RE: Ironman Florida : Official Thread A few people don't like Paypal or don't have accounts. If you'd like, you can just send me a check. My info is: Jay Campbell 5029 Minden Road Memphis, TN 38117 |
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