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  • .I suppose I've heard the child birth comparison and I sort of get it. 


  • How hard is child birth ? What is that : 110 TSS points ? .98 IF ? What does it do to your ATL ?

    2013-08-28 8:38 PM
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    Originally posted by marcag
    Originally posted by Jason N ..I suppose I've heard the child birth comparison and I sort of get it. 
    How hard is child birth ? What is that : 110 TSS points ? .98 IF ? What does it do to your ATL ?

    I don't know but if you're suggesting that Neil give birth to 4 childs a week to improve his bike...I'm not sure he'll be too successful with that.

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    Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again...
    Originally posted by Jason N

    Originally posted by marcag
    Originally posted by Jason N ..I suppose I've heard the child birth comparison and I sort of get it. 
    How hard is child birth ? What is that : 110 TSS points ? .98 IF ? What does it do to your ATL ?

    I don't know but if you're suggesting that Neil give birth to 4 childs a week to improve his bike...I'm not sure he'll be too successful with that.




    My wife did it twice - I really don't think it seemed all that difficult...

    Kudos to Fred for giving IM another go! I too thought he was on the verge of going bike racing next year.
    2013-08-28 8:59 PM
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    2013-08-28 9:12 PM
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    Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again...
    Originally posted by Fred D
    Originally posted by Jason N

    BTW, what have I done!!??!!??

     

    Decided to be crazy awesome, methinks.

    NICE!



    2013-08-28 9:19 PM
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    Originally posted by blbriley
    Originally posted by Fred D
    Originally posted by Jason N

     

    I told my GF that if I ever think of signing up for another IM, remind me of how I feel right now.  I give lots of credit to those who can do IM every year...or even multiple IMs.  I think I may be a one every 5-7 years kind of guy.

    I think doing IMs is somewhat (not as hard but an analogy) like childbirth. When you train for one you tend to say exactly as you just did, and then we sign up for another one when the pain and exhaustion is over. People commonly say at birth "I'm never doing this again" and yet they sometimes actually have more kids....

     

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    Congrats on your next "baby" Fred!

    I've had three kids, and I haven't done an IM, but I'm gonna guess that I would choose childbirth over an IM. 

    Though, admittedly, that might not be what you want to hear right now :)

    2013-08-28 9:19 PM
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    With this crazy IM virus spreading, I have a question for the full / long course folks.

    Do you race much leading up to it?  Do you miss racing more frequently if you don't?

    When I did marathons (in the waaaay back) and per our plan this year, there is at least a lot of racing leading up to it.  5k's, 10k's, HM or two… all good fun, and I really love races.

    I've heard tell, and read in many training guides, that while you might race a HIM or two on the way to an IM, you don't peak for them - just for the main event and train through the HIMs.  Kind of keeps me from just jumping on board with IM's - not sure if one or two races a year (OK, save maybe if it were Kona - but that's not in my cards at the moment!) would be enough to focus me on months and months of training.  How do you deal with that?

    As ever, your thoughts are appreciated and enjoyed...

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    2013-08-28 9:21 PM
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    Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again...
    Originally posted by switch
    Originally posted by blbriley
    Originally posted by Fred D
    Originally posted by Jason N

     

    I told my GF that if I ever think of signing up for another IM, remind me of how I feel right now.  I give lots of credit to those who can do IM every year...or even multiple IMs.  I think I may be a one every 5-7 years kind of guy.

    I think doing IMs is somewhat (not as hard but an analogy) like childbirth. When you train for one you tend to say exactly as you just did, and then we sign up for another one when the pain and exhaustion is over. People commonly say at birth "I'm never doing this again" and yet they sometimes actually have more kids....

     

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    Congrats on your next "baby" Fred!

    I've had three kids, and I haven't done an IM, but I'm gonna guess that I would choose childbirth over an IM. 

    Though, admittedly, that might not be what you want to hear right now

    No epidurals on the bike or run, though (although the way I swim with a wetsuit, it wouldn't impede my zero-beat-kick).  Tongue out

    2013-08-29 3:04 AM
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    Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again...
    Originally posted by mcmanusclan5

    With this crazy IM virus spreading, I have a question for the full / long course folks.

    Do you race much leading up to it?  Do you miss racing more frequently if you don't?

    When I did marathons (in the waaaay back) and per our plan this year, there is at least a lot of racing leading up to it.  5k's, 10k's, HM or two… all good fun, and I really love races.

    I've heard tell, and read in many training guides, that while you might race a HIM or two on the way to an IM, you don't peak for them - just for the main event and train through the HIMs.  Kind of keeps me from just jumping on board with IM's - not sure if one or two races a year (OK, save maybe if it were Kona - but that's not in my cards at the moment!) would be enough to focus me on months and months of training.  How do you deal with that?

    As ever, your thoughts are appreciated and enjoyed...

    Matt

    One of the reasons that I decided the IM distance wasn't for me was because I felt like I couldn't do as many races as I typically would.  Maybe it was because it was my first and with experience that would no longer be the case as I know several ppl that race lots during IM training but I definitely missed a few races that I would otherwise have done.

    I don't think I would use it as a reason to avoid trying an IM though.  I still really enjoyed the whole process and training (with the exception of the grumpy times that Jason referred to) and am glad I did it.  I'm just not in any rush to sign up again.  

    2013-08-29 3:35 AM
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    Does TP charge you all at once for the annual membership, or do they bill monthly?


    Either. They have a few options. You can pay yearly and it's cheaper.
    But you can also go month by month at $19 or pay for a year and it's less than $10 per month.


    2013-08-29 5:13 AM
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    I learned an important lesson as a result of my trainer workout this morning.  For the last couple of weeks I have noticed a clicking feeling and an odd noise coming from my bike when doing some higher power intervals.  It felt like it was coming from a pedal or cleat or maybe the bottom bracket area but I wasn't sure and was going to get my LBS to check it out.  Well because of the broken chain on the weekend I put a new one on last night and also cleaned things up a bit before doing so.  Holy cow what a difference!  The pedal stroke felt so much smoother and no noises or creaks.

    I hereby pledge to take better care of my bikes.

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    2013-08-29 7:31 AM
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    Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again...
    Originally posted by Fred D
    Originally posted by Jason N

     

    I told my GF that if I ever think of signing up for another IM, remind me of how I feel right now.  I give lots of credit to those who can do IM every year...or even multiple IMs.  I think I may be a one every 5-7 years kind of guy.

    I think doing IMs is somewhat (not as hard but an analogy) like childbirth. When you train for one you tend to say exactly as you just did, and then we sign up for another one when the pain and exhaustion is over. People commonly say at birth "I'm never doing this again" and yet they sometimes actually have more kids....

     BTW, what have I done!!??!!??

    Dummy Wink Then there is the oddity like me. 3 years later, still very much active, but haven't gone for another IM. Thinking maybe big sometime in the future, but still not really sure on the marathon part of the IM.

    As to the powermeter, tipping points for various options may have moved for some with pricing, but it's still basically the same factors towards what might fit a situation best. Like will this need to switch between bikes, your preference if so. Do you use multiple wheelsets and want power with each?



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    I've got a question about bike fitness (I think)...

    After Vineman, I took about a month off the bike in hopes that it might help my knee (it didn't).  In that time, I bought a Quarq with 165mm crank arms, as opposed to the 155mm cranks I had on my bike.  I've only been back on the bike six times since my month off and I'm struggling like crazy to do workouts that were once quite manageable.  My HR seems to be fine, but my legs are burning like crazy.

    Did my fitness really take that huge of a hit in one month off?  Or is this my body getting used to longer cranks?  Or maybe it's completely mental?  Regardless, whatever it is, it really needs to go away.  Curious if anyone has thoughts.

    And, for the record, I have not retested my FTP.  I'm planning to do it this weekend, but I wanted to get back on the bike a bit before trying to retest....and I also have a fear of seeing a significantly lower number, which is a shot to the ego (though I know it is a very realistic possibility at this time).

    2013-08-29 8:17 AM
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    For the IM - I'm still not ready to do one, and don't think I will be for a few years. From both a cost and time perspective, I just don't see how I have enough of either to manage a full. HIM is basically my max when it comes to training, and I'm glad I wasn't doing one this year simply because training, as was clearly displayed, was going to be very inconsistent and lower this year. My hats go off to everyone who can train properly for a full, but I figure it will be a few years, if ever, before I toe the line.

    Along with the desire to up the bike fitness/power before next race season, I'm also getting closer to deciding to give a Spring marathon a try. With all the discomfort I was suffering while running, I could never see myself training for a full marathon, but if the new shoes do what I think they will for my long runs, then I reckon I've got time to build some base before moving into a marathon plan with a planned race date in May.
    2013-08-29 8:18 AM
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    Originally posted by ligersandtions

    I've got a question about bike fitness (I think)...

    After Vineman, I took about a month off the bike in hopes that it might help my knee (it didn't).  In that time, I bought a Quarq with 165mm crank arms, as opposed to the 155mm cranks I had on my bike.  I've only been back on the bike six times since my month off and I'm struggling like crazy to do workouts that were once quite manageable.  My HR seems to be fine, but my legs are burning like crazy.

    Did my fitness really take that huge of a hit in one month off?  Or is this my body getting used to longer cranks?  Or maybe it's completely mental?  Regardless, whatever it is, it really needs to go away.  Curious if anyone has thoughts.

    And, for the record, I have not retested my FTP.  I'm planning to do it this weekend, but I wanted to get back on the bike a bit before trying to retest....and I also have a fear of seeing a significantly lower number, which is a shot to the ego (though I know it is a very realistic possibility at this time).





    A couple of things

    I suspect it's more fitness related, but don't worry, it will come back fast
    I recently tested shorter cranks. I went 172.5 to 165 and honestly it made no difference. I doubt it's that. Believe it or not, I followed a pretty analytical process to test this. Hard to believe eh....
    However, if you went from 155 to 165, and you were properly fitted on 155s, you need to drop your saddle by 1 cm. Remember, at the 6 o'clock position, your pedal is now 1cm lower because your crank is longer.
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    Subject: RE: Hello all -- I'm going to try this again...
    Originally posted by ligersandtions

    I've got a question about bike fitness (I think)...

    After Vineman, I took about a month off the bike in hopes that it might help my knee (it didn't).  In that time, I bought a Quarq with 165mm crank arms, as opposed to the 155mm cranks I had on my bike.  I've only been back on the bike six times since my month off and I'm struggling like crazy to do workouts that were once quite manageable.  My HR seems to be fine, but my legs are burning like crazy.

    Did my fitness really take that huge of a hit in one month off?  Or is this my body getting used to longer cranks?  Or maybe it's completely mental?  Regardless, whatever it is, it really needs to go away.  Curious if anyone has thoughts.

    And, for the record, I have not retested my FTP.  I'm planning to do it this weekend, but I wanted to get back on the bike a bit before trying to retest....and I also have a fear of seeing a significantly lower number, which is a shot to the ego (though I know it is a very realistic possibility at this time).




    I can't comment on the shorter/longer cranks, but know that 4 weeks off the bike is going to have some impact. A general rule of thumb is double your time off, to then get back to where you were. i.e. 4 weeks off = 8 weeks to get back.

    Edit to add - just saw Marc's post about fitness coming back fast, so now I'm curious if I'm very wrong about how long it takes to get the fitness/power back.



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    2013-08-29 8:42 AM
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    Originally posted by marcag
    Originally posted by brigby1
    Originally posted by marcag about 1 long ride a week, most around 3hr, a few 4hr, about .81-.82 IF. Neil, I think those were good My comment came more from this year, where I don't think you've done a 3hr ride.

    Ok, are those generally done at a fairly steady pace? Or done with say an IM level baseline and sections at HIM or even Oly power?

    Interesting question and I'd like your opinion on the benefits of the two approaches - long stready vs long with mix efforts Last year I did all my 'long' (3-4hr) rides at constant tempo pace, like Neil did. This year my longer rides have much more of a mix. For example, this weekend I did a 4hr, with a 2x20threshold and a 2x20 tempo and the rest IM pace http://www.trainingpeaks.com/av/YJCOAFROA4GTH3AN2XQPYPEB5AThe long steady rides give you the confidence for race time because it's a ride you've done over and over, but the later seems to build more fitness IMO

    It is an interesting thought point. One I'm still working with quite a bit. I think there are merits to both, probably more than I am familiar with just yet, and should be considered with part of the plan as a whole. So what else is going on matters too. Earlier in the year I had been separating things out. Weekday rides were shorter and tended to have more targeted intensity. The weekend (Saturday in particular) was bigger and generally in range of IM effort or slightly over. Trying to do more than that on a big ride would have been too much for me at the time. More recently I have been working higher effort into the longer rides. I'm both able to physically and have a hilly HIM coming up that will benefit from such rides. I have noticed that with the hilly outdoor rides I've been able to get up the hills more easily than before even when I wasn't feeling great overall.

    I may be oversimplifying it a bit here, but a way to help out is to think of it as needing to further develop some key points or be able to incorporate aspects of a race. The key points being threshold power, performance at VO2, and generating lots of aerobic stress. The incorporation is specificity for a race or event. There may be more to consider than just those, but those are the big ones that keep coming up and seem to be the best ones to understand first.



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    I also have enough BASE that I will be training for this IM in a VERY different way....


    I am happy and curious to hear this.

    When I saw your plans I said to myself "wow, get into a competitive swim regimen in the fall, follow through, start a run regimen in December and race a spring HM, working with a run expert, put the bike on the back heater for a while and bam, in August it would be KQ potential".

    I really believe this.

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    So..... Marc.... What power meter would you look at for the budget conscious person these days.


    It's hard to argue against the new PT pricing when you throw "budget conscious" in the equation.

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