SWBKRUN -CLOSED DUE TO TRAINING (Page 94)

LOL, I kind of thought the same thing, I guess though for most of us that would be like a deer jumping out in front of us.

Anyone want to go for a ride?  Sitting here all kitt'ed up, smelling of chamois cream.  Got about 10 minutes away from home and ran over a screw so down one tire and tube, missed the team group ride.

I would love to skip the trainer today, but you are gonna need studded tires on the bad weather bike and all your winter gear to stay warm to ride around here this morning. 

On second thought, maybe the trainer doesn't sound to bad.  I've heard there might be some coverage of a small stage race staring in France on TV this afternoon.     Come on Tejay!!!

Nice thing about being on a decent sized team, found someone to ride with and met a few more teammates out on the road.

Yeah Paris-Nice should be a good show this year, lots of big names racing.

Hey Gang!  Glad to hear everyone is doing well in the south east storm region.  Growing up in Oklahoma (tornado alley), it was not uncommon to spend many nights each spring in the storm cellar.  It was fun when we were younger kids, not so much when we hit high school.

Race Report: We had thunderstorms Saturday morning just before the 10k race I was suppose to run, the running club chose to wait to call it, weather radar didn't look promising so we chose to crawl back in bed versus braving the weather and getting soaked.  They still ran the race but it was a last minute decision by the race director.

Still waiting on some weather to pass today so I can head out for a run.

Need some input.  I did my long run today.  It was pretty much the same route I ran last Sunday, but a mile shorter today.  Last week I got a side stitch at about 10.5 miles into the 12 mile run.  First time that has ever happened.  Not fun.  Did some reading and it seemed like there were two things I could try to avoid the problem next time: 1) better hydration 2) breathing deeply and not always on the same foot fall.

Armed with that information, I was ready to give it a go again today.  I took heed instead of plain water.  Dropped water at two locations on the trail before I started my run.  That worked well and I drank 25 oz during the run.  I also took two endurolyte capsules about 4 mi into today's 11 mile run.  I also made sure I wasn't breathing shallow. . . nice deep belly breathing most of the time.

So today, I get to about 10.75 miles and wham another side stitch.  wtf? 

There were some good things about today's run compared to last week:  faster pace, lower average hr, felt stronger, etc.  But the cramping sucks.  Any thoughts? 

3 weeks and 6 days to get it dialed in :-)

Which side is it on? and what are you eating beforehand?

tough love or being a d+ck, you choose but just know i think you're awesome and wouldn't waste my breath if i didn't......

you're thinking about this way too much.  seriously, in the second paragraph you describe at least 6 things you changed for this run.  s'pose you did not have a side stitch today, which one of those 6 would you attribute it to.  how on earth do you expect to dial that in? 

don't worry about dialing it in, you will over time.  this is your first 1/2 marathon, right?  i'm a few weeks away from my 6th or 7th and i still have no idea what the heck i'm doing but i keep getting faster and smarter about my races.  (that's my favorite distance!!)  ((oh wait, i just realized your problem, in your logs your april 18th race reads half mary.  the half marathon gods frown mightily on the use of such as term.))

i know we're all different but for 11 miles in the temps you ran today i might bring a gel and stop at a water fountain at some point. if i were you, i'd quit all the reading, over analyzing and just go run with a gel or two and some water. and smile when it sucks. you're biggest issue right now is determining which of the 5 bloomington brews you're going to choose to fill that pint glass.  got it?

you tony'd it.

kt65 - 2012-03-04 5:40 PM

mighty mom - 2012-03-04 2:01 PM

jfought - 2012-03-04 2:48 PM

Need some input.  I did my long run today.  It was pretty much the same route I ran last Sunday, but a mile shorter today.  Last week I got a side stitch at about 10.5 miles into the 12 mile run.  First time that has ever happened.  Not fun.  Did some reading and it seemed like there were two things I could try to avoid the problem next time: 1) better hydration 2) breathing deeply and not always on the same foot fall.

Armed with that information, I was ready to give it a go again today.  I took heed instead of plain water.  Dropped water at two locations on the trail before I started my run.  That worked well and I drank 25 oz during the run.  I also took two endurolyte capsules about 4 mi into today's 11 mile run.  I also made sure I wasn't breathing shallow. . . nice deep belly breathing most of the time.

So today, I get to about 10.75 miles and wham another side stitch.  wtf? 

There were some good things about today's run compared to last week:  faster pace, lower average hr, felt stronger, etc.  But the cramping sucks.  Any thoughts? 

3 weeks and 6 days to get it dialed in :-)

I'm no expert, but last yr sometime I was experiencing side stitches too. Did some searching on the boards and found a couple threads where there more experienced runners on BT (scout, Bryancd, et al) said basically it comes down to you running to fast for your ability. Slowing down helped me avoid the side stitches but I'm still an awfully slow runner.

This is true for me, too, assuming hydration has been good and I am breathing deeply, if I just slow it down a touch, they go away. I try not to walk them off because I don't want my body thinking its going to get a walk every time it feels hard...I have brainwashed my central governor.

Yeah, I tend to think of side stitches and muscle cramps as signs that you're running beyond your fitness level, either too fast or too far (assuming good hydration, as Kim said). They should go away as you become accustomed to the longer distance. You're making so much progress on your running, just stick with it and those longer runs will become more manageable!

edited to correct spelling--jeesh

gotta run - 2012-03-04 7:26 PM

kt65 - 2012-03-04 5:40 PM

mighty mom - 2012-03-04 2:01 PM

jfought - 2012-03-04 2:48 PM

Need some input.  I did my long run today.  It was pretty much the same route I ran last Sunday, but a mile shorter today.  Last week I got a side stitch at about 10.5 miles into the 12 mile run.  First time that has ever happened.  Not fun.  Did some reading and it seemed like there were two things I could try to avoid the problem next time: 1) better hydration 2) breathing deeply and not always on the same foot fall.

Armed with that information, I was ready to give it a go again today.  I took heed instead of plain water.  Dropped water at two locations on the trail before I started my run.  That worked well and I drank 25 oz during the run.  I also took two endurolyte capsules about 4 mi into today's 11 mile run.  I also made sure I wasn't breathing shallow. . . nice deep belly breathing most of the time.

So today, I get to about 10.75 miles and wham another side stitch.  wtf? 

There were some good things about today's run compared to last week:  faster pace, lower average hr, felt stronger, etc.  But the cramping sucks.  Any thoughts? 

3 weeks and 6 days to get it dialed in :-)

I'm no expert, but last yr sometime I was experiencing side stitches too. Did some searching on the boards and found a couple threads where there more experienced runners on BT (scout, Bryancd, et al) said basically it comes down to you running to fast for your ability. Slowing down helped me avoid the side stitches but I'm still an awfully slow runner.

This is true for me, too, assuming hydration has been good and I am breathing deeply, if I just slow it down a touch, they go away. I try not to walk them off because I don't want my body thinking its going to get a walk every time it feels hard...I have brainwashed my central governor.

 

Yeah, I tend to think of side stitches and muscle cramps as signs that you're running beyond your fitness level, either too fast or too far (assuming good hydration, as Kim said). They should go away as you become accustomed to the longer distance. You're making so much progress on your running, just stick with it and those longer runs will become more manageable!

I think you are spot on.  I'm sure this is just part of the growing pains as a runner.  It's just hard to know what's going on when things like this happen for the first time and you don't know if it's something your doing, or not doing, or just lack of experience.  This too shall pass. 

Thanks everybody for your input.  Looking forward to a great week.

kt65 - 2012-03-05 7:40 AM

mighty mom - 2012-03-04 2:01 PM

jfought - 2012-03-04 2:48 PM

Need some input.  I did my long run today.  It was pretty much the same route I ran last Sunday, but a mile shorter today.  Last week I got a side stitch at about 10.5 miles into the 12 mile run.  First time that has ever happened.  Not fun.  Did some reading and it seemed like there were two things I could try to avoid the problem next time: 1) better hydration 2) breathing deeply and not always on the same foot fall.

Armed with that information, I was ready to give it a go again today.  I took heed instead of plain water.  Dropped water at two locations on the trail before I started my run.  That worked well and I drank 25 oz during the run.  I also took two endurolyte capsules about 4 mi into today's 11 mile run.  I also made sure I wasn't breathing shallow. . . nice deep belly breathing most of the time.

So today, I get to about 10.75 miles and wham another side stitch.  wtf? 

There were some good things about today's run compared to last week:  faster pace, lower average hr, felt stronger, etc.  But the cramping sucks.  Any thoughts? 

3 weeks and 6 days to get it dialed in :-)

I'm no expert, but last yr sometime I was experiencing side stitches too. Did some searching on the boards and found a couple threads where there more experienced runners on BT (scout, Bryancd, et al) said basically it comes down to you running to fast for your ability. Slowing down helped me avoid the side stitches but I'm still an awfully slow runner.

This is true for me, too, assuming hydration has been good and I am breathing deeply, if I just slow it down a touch, they go away. I try not to walk them off because I don't want my body thinking its going to get a walk every time it feels hard...I have brainwashed my central governor.

I think Johns's got it right, don't get too worked up over it.

The only thing I've found that works is taking slow deep breaths at the first sign of a stitch. You've got to avoid short scrappy breathing and use your diaphragm.

gotta run - 2012-03-04 4:26 PM

kt65 - 2012-03-04 5:40 PM

mighty mom - 2012-03-04 2:01 PM

jfought - 2012-03-04 2:48 PM

Need some input.  I did my long run today.  It was pretty much the same route I ran last Sunday, but a mile shorter today.  Last week I got a side stitch at about 10.5 miles into the 12 mile run.  First time that has ever happened.  Not fun.  Did some reading and it seemed like there were two things I could try to avoid the problem next time: 1) better hydration 2) breathing deeply and not always on the same foot fall.

Armed with that information, I was ready to give it a go again today.  I took heed instead of plain water.  Dropped water at two locations on the trail before I started my run.  That worked well and I drank 25 oz during the run.  I also took two endurolyte capsules about 4 mi into today's 11 mile run.  I also made sure I wasn't breathing shallow. . . nice deep belly breathing most of the time.

So today, I get to about 10.75 miles and wham another side stitch.  wtf? 

There were some good things about today's run compared to last week:  faster pace, lower average hr, felt stronger, etc.  But the cramping sucks.  Any thoughts? 

3 weeks and 6 days to get it dialed in :-)

I'm no expert, but last yr sometime I was experiencing side stitches too. Did some searching on the boards and found a couple threads where there more experienced runners on BT (scout, Bryancd, et al) said basically it comes down to you running to fast for your ability. Slowing down helped me avoid the side stitches but I'm still an awfully slow runner.

This is true for me, too, assuming hydration has been good and I am breathing deeply, if I just slow it down a touch, they go away. I try not to walk them off because I don't want my body thinking its going to get a walk every time it feels hard...I have brainwashed my central governor.

 

Yeah, I tend to think of side stitches and muscle cramps as signs that you're running beyond your fitness level, either too fast or too far (assuming good hydration, as Kim said). They should go away as you become accustomed to the longer distance. You're making so much progress on your running, just stick with it and those longer runs will become more manageable!

So, at the risk of being that guy who is ALWAYS wrong.  EVERY distance I have PR'd is dealing with a side stitch.  It is not beyond fitness level but AT fitness level.  A side stitch is your diaphragm being challenged, but not your fitness level.  If you can manage the diaphragm pain, you can make a break through!  Blow out HARD opposite side pain and you can push through a stitch.  With fitness, you will not suffer less, you will just go faster.

So talk me out of being a CHEATER, CHEATER, CHEATER!

So,  I have seen people cheat at almost every big race I have run.  I have passed people twice on a difficult out and back, seen people cheat corral times so they could finish under cut off times, and cut swim courses only to pass them again prior to exiting the water.  Cutting corners, drugs, and drafting... are they getting their money's worth?

We as age groupers are not making a living off the sport we love.. period.  We are paying to have support so we can push our limits as individuals.  Is it OK that we cheat?

My best friend is a sub 3 hour marathoner.  We ran CIM together this year (thanks to Kim) and he is doing CdA this year with me.  He is in the 10 hour IM range but has no desire to run Boston.  His goal was to run sub 3 hour, and he did.  He said, " take my spot!".  So, do I?

So, the point is: I could cheat and get in. 

Who are you running for?  Yourself?  You would cheat yourself of the fulfillment in knowing that you did it all on your own.
You've qual'd before, you will again.

Also, how will your wife truly feel about that plan?

Edit: Chet - Read your sig quote again, I think you'll find your answer there.

When I did my very first HIM, I saw several people cut the run course and do part of the Olympic instead.  I felt like sh$t and it would have been so easy to follow the pack of cheaters.  Of course I didn't because I would have to live with that lie the rest of my life.  I really wouldn't have done my first HIM.  Ironically one of the cheaters was in my AG.  She met up with me about 1m from the finish and wanted to run it in together.  I asked her how it felt to cheat the course.  She laughed it off and said it was a total mistake.  I made sure my foot hit the line 2 seconds before hers did.  It didn't phase her one bit as she raised her hands in victory for her photo. 

Chet, I know you are not that kind of person.

I heard that the beds were shakin' in San Fran this morning.  Hope you are OK Kim!!!

Cheating is cheating. People have to live with themselves.

But with Chet's example, I do not know if I would call that cheating. He wouldn't  be taking anyone else's spot to be there if he ran as his buddy. Running as his buddy though to me would be dishonest and with liability issues.

Big races like Boston and Kona, etc all have so many people there that did not qualify to be there. Sponsors exemptions,etc all run/tri those courses.

I wouldn't have issues with it if the bib was reassigned though.

Thank you

Signed

The devil's advocate