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2013-02-28 11:13 AM
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riorio - 2013-02-28 7:07 AM

Great stuff Jason...going to save that for sure!

The intimidation factor was high for me at the TT. I didn't have a skin suit, aero helmet or race wheels...but I did console myself in the fact that I ride an aero bike a lot more than most of those guys. I figured they were mostly roadies who probably only rode a TT bike in prep for this race....made me feel a bit better

Well if it makes you feel any better, you are somewhat right.  Most roadies don't ride their TT bike much, and some of them just suck at TTing because all they like to do is cruise in the pack, then attack hills.  Good for draft legal road racing...not so much for TTing.  I know a guy who's an awesome road racer...but he admits he just hates TTing because it's boring.



2013-02-28 6:06 PM
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One more tip: look ahead but keep your head down

The U-turn is really important and you should also scout the course ahead of time.  Last one I did, the turn-around was a small cone with lots of people standing in close proximity to take photos.  I didn't see it in time, made a terrible turn AND was past the cone a bit.  It dropped me from MOP to BOP in cat5.

We have a lot of strong riders in my area so it's easy to feel intimidated.  I think cat4 here, dead middle of the pack was 26mph at the 20k I did.  Just go out there and do your thing.  The folks are competitive, yeah, but no one's going to get down on you for being there.

2013-02-28 7:17 PM
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So this is not triathlon related in any way but here are some of the pictures from Africa for those who are interested
2013-02-28 8:17 PM
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TankBoy - 2013-02-27 5:59 PM
GoFaster - 2013-02-27 4:39 PM

Thanks so much for the feedback guys.  I'll try out the run/walk combo and see how it goes.  If I feel pain, I reckon I'll need to shut things down pretty quickly.  My fingers are crossed.

Oh, and of course (before even running) I'm wondering if I can race my planned HM in May.  At this point, I reckon it will take 6 weeks to get back to where I was (doubling the three weeks I was stopped).  I only have 9 weeks till the race, so I don't think I can be ready.  Anyone think otherwise?

While you may not have the race you were planning on, you can still have a good race relative to the circumstance you find yourself in. Only you can decide whether or not you will find value in that however. This was advice that BryanCD gave me last year when I asked him the same thing about racing IM after having to lay off running all summer (he gave me permission at the time to share it with the group if I found it to be of value. It was extremely so - I read every word about 100 times as I considered my options to race or not.

bryancd - 2012-07-11 5:30 PM

Let me see if I can answer your question as if it was a decision I was making for myself. I never do an Ironman without a specific goal. In my case, I only do IM's to earn Kona slots. That's it, no other reason. Other folks have time goals, where they want to improve their performance, while others more simply like doing the race in as many different locations as possible. Not me, for me it's simply a means to an end. If I had incurred the injury you did and was forced to take a prolonged break from run training in the weeks leading into a planned Ironman, I would have long ago bagged the race and would have reset my plan. I would rather eat the cost of entry, convalesce, and select another race down the road to show up healthy to.

Based on what you said, simply finishing another IMLP is of little value as you have done it already. Finishing it with an improved performance, which appears to be your primary goal, is also out of the question at this point. But you already have a plan in place where you can work back from the injury, improve your running during the fall/winter, and build towards an IMLP 2013 hopefully in far better condition. Racing their race in a few weeks isn't going to improve your fitness. It's going to put you in a hole potentially that may take some time to emerge from. That's the cost, so what is the benefit? That's what you need to ask yourself. All of the training you have done to prepare for this race has improved your overall fitness and that's a VERY good thing. Racing is just validating the work, but you know you have done the work. If you do decide to do the race, then not doing the run sounds like the smartest idea. I understand your wife and friends are racing so you will be there anyway and could get some good training out of it. If you do decide to run, I would suggest a very aggressive run/walk strategy where at a minimum you walk the entire length of every aid station and still play it by ear and not be afraid to walk off the course. And for sure, if you think this has value, please feel free to share it with the group.

I gave it some more thought - and this post confirms where my head is at.  I'm not going to do the HM.  I missed it last year due to injury, and now I'll miss it again.  I have a specific time goal for that race, and I don't have enough time to be prepared for it, so I'm not going to do it this year.  Hopefully I'll find something after Tri season.

2013-02-28 8:48 PM
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Finally got in a decent 20 min block on the trainer. Been a long time. Amazing how something can hurt so much and feel so good.
2013-02-28 8:48 PM
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bzgl40 - 2013-02-28 8:17 PMSo this is not triathlon related in any way but here are some of the pictures from Africa for those who are interested
WOW! What amazing photos. Very cool.


2013-02-28 8:53 PM
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TankBoy - 2013-02-27 2:53 PM 

Nicole, in my own experience that bolded part is the key so long as walking does not cause any further pain or injury. I took a freak tumble and injured my knee last year about 10 weeks before my IM. In consultation with my Doc, my coach had me ditch all of my running and instead substitute walking for every run I had on the schedule. So if I had a run that would take an hour to complete, I would walk an hour. If my long run was 2.5 hours, then I would walk 2.5 hours. Bike-to-run bricks became bike-to-walk. We basically just made sure that I still got all of the time on my feet that I was supposed to. To maintain aerobic fitness I did a lot more hard threshold swimming and just a little bit of deep water aqua jogging to maintain ROM and hip strength. About 2 weeks before IM I was finally allowed to run for 20 minutes during each of my walks. It was glorious. Although i certainly didn't set any land speed records, I was able to run every step of the way at IM. I was probably about 20 minutes slower than my goal pace I was working toward before the injury.

I think too many people underestimate the importance of just getting the time on their feet, especially for long course racing.*edited for typos, sorry.

I remember reading somewhere about some decent running coaches sending their teams into the mountains to just hike a ton. Not run them, just hike. Certainly wouldn't start with that when hurt, but maybe build up towards it as one progresses?

2013-02-28 9:08 PM
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bzgl40 - 2013-02-28 7:17 PM So this is not triathlon related in any way but here are some of the pictures from Africa for those who are interested

Nice job with the pictures! Looks like a great trip.

2013-02-28 9:40 PM
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brigby1 - 2013-02-28 6:53 PM
TankBoy - 2013-02-27 2:53 PM 

Nicole, in my own experience that bolded part is the key so long as walking does not cause any further pain or injury. I took a freak tumble and injured my knee last year about 10 weeks before my IM. In consultation with my Doc, my coach had me ditch all of my running and instead substitute walking for every run I had on the schedule. So if I had a run that would take an hour to complete, I would walk an hour. If my long run was 2.5 hours, then I would walk 2.5 hours. Bike-to-run bricks became bike-to-walk. We basically just made sure that I still got all of the time on my feet that I was supposed to. To maintain aerobic fitness I did a lot more hard threshold swimming and just a little bit of deep water aqua jogging to maintain ROM and hip strength. About 2 weeks before IM I was finally allowed to run for 20 minutes during each of my walks. It was glorious. Although i certainly didn't set any land speed records, I was able to run every step of the way at IM. I was probably about 20 minutes slower than my goal pace I was working toward before the injury.

I think too many people underestimate the importance of just getting the time on their feet, especially for long course racing.*edited for typos, sorry.

I remember reading somewhere about some decent running coaches sending their teams into the mountains to just hike a ton. Not run them, just hike. Certainly wouldn't start with that when hurt, but maybe build up towards it as one progresses?

That's a good idea.  If only I still lived in CA where there are decent hiking options.  Here in the Houston area, our idea of "hills" are bridges and parking garages

Used to do a decent amount of hiking/backpacking -- definitely a great workout.  Ragnar just recently announced that they're doing trail relays and a few of my friends and I are strongly considering getting in on the Socal one in November this year.

 

I have a metric century ride on Saturday and then on Sunday, there are some dirt trails (flat) that I'm going to try a bit of running.  I'm really looking forward to it....should be a nice weekend.  Also just got back from a really good master's swim session

2013-02-28 10:17 PM
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Hi Utopians! Thanks for all the awesome well wishes. Will be starting IMNZ in 14 hours! Internet spotty here at this gobstoppingly gorgeous remote mountain/lake area.

I WENT SWIMMING WITH NO WETSUIT AND ONE LATEX CAP and it was *awesome*. Not too cold. YAY!!!!! That's the major worry out of the way.

Also, my replacement saddle finally arrived this afternoon--got that (and several other things that broke or went missing last-minute! Crazy) on the bike and into transition check-in four minutes before deadline

2013-02-28 10:23 PM
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Hey everyone.  Just got done catching up with everything here.  It's been a pretty hectic few weeks for me -- for a while kid stuff hung in the balance, and then once that was sorted out, I got sick (possibly related...).  Anyway, I'm feeling pretty good, now, and hope you all are well.  I hope I can be a better participant in the group, at least until the next disaster strikes.

I've re-assessed my season, and decided that I'm going to focus on some Fall race.  I'm signed up for two spring HIMs, but I will probably not do them, for much the same reasons that Bryan mentions above.  I could finish a HIM in my sleep at this point, even untrained, and that's just not something I'm interested in doing any more.  If I cannot race up to a reasonable standard, I'd rather just train.  So train it is.  Consistency first, then we'll see.

Unless I can count hours spent in lawyers' offices and doctors' offices, I think I'll take a pass on posting February totals...

Jason -- love the '5 minutes left' thought.  Good stuff.

And thanks to all of the well-wishers.  I appreciate it.



2013-02-28 10:39 PM
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I love this one: " Just flip one or two gears harder and enjoy the pain." That could apply to so many things in life. Just suck it up and do it. It's going to hurt; so what.
2013-02-28 10:59 PM
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Experior - 2013-02-28 8:23 PM

Hey everyone.  Just got done catching up with everything here.  It's been a pretty hectic few weeks for me -- for a while kid stuff hung in the balance, and then once that was sorted out, I got sick (possibly related...).  Anyway, I'm feeling pretty good, now, and hope you all are well.  I hope I can be a better participant in the group, at least until the next disaster strikes.

I've re-assessed my season, and decided that I'm going to focus on some Fall race.  I'm signed up for two spring HIMs, but I will probably not do them, for much the same reasons that Bryan mentions above.  I could finish a HIM in my sleep at this point, even untrained, and that's just not something I'm interested in doing any more.  If I cannot race up to a reasonable standard, I'd rather just train.  So train it is.  Consistency first, then we'll see.

Unless I can count hours spent in lawyers' offices and doctors' offices, I think I'll take a pass on posting February totals...

Jason -- love the '5 minutes left' thought.  Good stuff.

And thanks to all of the well-wishers.  I appreciate it.

I'm kinda in the same frame of mind.  I don't know about racing a reasonable standard (for myself) this year.  But my goal is to get to the start line of my "A" race -- in September -- without injury along the way.  So I'm passing up on the usual offers I get - no cold weather St. Patty's Day run, no short-distance running races where I go too hard.  Everything I do this year is going to be controlled and cautious.

2013-03-01 5:05 AM
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TriAya - 2013-02-28 9:17 PM

Hi Utopians! Thanks for all the awesome well wishes. Will be starting IMNZ in 14 hours! Internet spotty here at this gobstoppingly gorgeous remote mountain/lake area.

I WENT SWIMMING WITH NO WETSUIT AND ONE LATEX CAP and it was *awesome*. Not too cold. YAY!!!!! That's the major worry out of the way.

Also, my replacement saddle finally arrived this afternoon--got that (and several other things that broke or went missing last-minute! Crazy) on the bike and into transition check-in four minutes before deadline

Yeah for the water not being too cold.  That's a darn good sign right there

2013-03-01 6:30 AM
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Welcome to March everyone.  Hoping my training is a bit better this month then it was last month.  Taking two weeks off really hurts those numbers.    Still feeling a bit jet legged but getting some workouts in regardless.  Work itself is a major drag though.  Hoping to be myself by Monday again. 

Not sure what to do about my running.  I went from a 100 mile month to a 28 mile month.  I think I should be ok with a week of little miles daily and start my build again next week.  I should be able to go back to 20-30mpw without worrying about injury since I had a solid base before the horrible month right?

2013-03-01 7:07 AM
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bzgl40 - 2013-03-01 6:30 AM

Welcome to March everyone.  Hoping my training is a bit better this month then it was last month.  Taking two weeks off really hurts those numbers.    Still feeling a bit jet legged but getting some workouts in regardless.  Work itself is a major drag though.  Hoping to be myself by Monday again. 

Not sure what to do about my running.  I went from a 100 mile month to a 28 mile month.  I think I should be ok with a week of little miles daily and start my build again next week.  I should be able to go back to 20-30mpw without worrying about injury since I had a solid base before the horrible month right?

Yep. My February was a bust, too, but I don't have a good reason. The blizzard really knocked me out of the game, but I shouldn't have let it. 



2013-03-01 8:00 AM
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bzgl40 - 2013-02-28 8:17 PMSo this is not triathlon related in any way but here are some of the pictures from Africa for those who are interested

Welcome back Kim! I just got the chance to look at all of your stunning photos (after masters, at the coffee shop). What a fantastic, remarkable once-in-a-lifetime trip that must have been!? Looks like you got up close with a whole Noah's ark worth of animals - I think the birds are my favorite - the images show some real photographic skill.

I think I may have picked up on the issue with your leg cramps - it looks like you guys only drank beer the whole time you were there?

And that sign that says "Do not take liberties with wild animals." Now those are some words to live by, whether you are on safari or not...

With your base I think you should be fine getting right back in the swing of things. I would probably not worry about going right back to my mileage, but only via base-pace stuff for a couple of weeks. If I was off completely for two weeks my HR would be a little uncoupled from effort.

2013-03-01 8:38 AM
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I got on the bike for the first time in 2 months yesterday. It was a short shake down, just a few miles making sure that everything was running right. It got me thinking about the variety of bike discussions in here over the past couple of months. So, thanks all for that. I will be adjusting my riding once mid-March hits and I can get out a bit more. There will be more intervals, more push to hit top end type of things. In reviewing my riding for the past year, I believe this will really help me out.

Thanks again!

2013-03-01 8:42 AM
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TankBoy - 2013-03-01 7:00 AM
bzgl40 - 2013-02-28 8:17 PMSo this is not triathlon related in any way but here are some of the pictures from Africa for those who are interested

Welcome back Kim! I just got the chance to look at all of your stunning photos (after masters, at the coffee shop). What a fantastic, remarkable once-in-a-lifetime trip that must have been!? Looks like you got up close with a whole Noah's ark worth of animals - I think the birds are my favorite - the images show some real photographic skill.

I think I may have picked up on the issue with your leg cramps - it looks like you guys only drank beer the whole time you were there?

And that sign that says "Do not take liberties with wild animals." Now those are some words to live by, whether you are on safari or not...

With your base I think you should be fine getting right back in the swing of things. I would probably not worry about going right back to my mileage, but only via base-pace stuff for a couple of weeks. If I was off completely for two weeks my HR would be a little uncoupled from effort.

Ha, yeah, there was a beer or two consumed.    And for the most part they only sold the bigger bottles.  Those pictures are a combo of ones both Tina and I took but I can guarantee all the bird ones are hers so I will pass along the complement. 

I've noticed my HR having issues.  Good to hear that it is probably normal.  We were up pretty high a lot in Africa so I don't think it is coming back to 5000ft.

2013-03-01 8:42 AM
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Michael - very glad to hear that the kid issues seem to be working out for the good and that you are on the mend health-wise. Sound like you are taking the smart route relieve to your competition goals for the year. This is a very long game we are playing, right? Welcome back!
2013-03-01 9:02 AM
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My February was ok. Got a little cold there near the end but jumped on it and managed it well and it only really set me back a week in starting my Lactate Threshold block. Not sure if my bike and run mileage will go up much this month, but the efforts certainly will. Boosted the swim volume this week - will be doing 3 masters sessions per week from here on out and adding a 4th OWS per week as soon as it is warm enough. So I should have a 50k+ month swimming. not a lot for the fishies, but that will be a ton for me. I would like to be closer to 70k per month for the summer. Our OW group has their first swim scheduled this weekend. water temps are 50 degrees, but air temps are going to be WAY colder than that, so I am out. Hopefully I will start mid-month. Was supposed to do some hard climbing intervals in the mountains tomorrow morning, but my coach just called concerned about the weather (mid-high 20s with possible precip) and may have us doing pursuit intervals with friends somewhere a little warmer/drier. Fun!

Off to the track for progressive 400s later today... I am going to be channeling Salty - I need some of her get-up-and-go!



2013-03-01 9:18 AM
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And I don't know about you guys, but I am so crazy-excited and nervous for Yanti I just cannot stand it. She should start at 1pm today eastern time if I have the clock figured out.

Go, Yanti, Go!

Edited - ignore all that weather info - that was from LAST YEARS Live blog. Trying to find the current one now, but WTC has not thought it important enough to make their website very friendly to portable devices...

Edited by TankBoy 2013-03-01 9:23 AM

2013-03-01 9:25 AM
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TankBoy - 2013-03-01 8:18 AM And I don't know about you guys, but I am so crazy-excited and nervous for Yanti I just cannot stand it. She should start at 1pm today eastern time if I have the clock figured out.

Go, Yanti, Go!

Edited - ignore all that weather info - that was from LAST YEARS Live blog. Trying to find the current one now, but WTC has not thought it important enough to make their website very friendly to portable devices...

Their website is not even friendly to regular computers.  I am super excited as well, especially with the news that the water temps are favorable for her

2013-03-01 9:34 AM
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TankBoy - 2013-03-01 11:02 AM My February was ok. Got a little cold there near the end but jumped on it and managed it well and it only really set me back a week in starting my Lactate Threshold block. Not sure if my bike and run mileage will go up much this month, but the efforts certainly will. Boosted the swim volume this week - will be doing 3 masters sessions per week from here on out and adding a 4th OWS per week as soon as it is warm enough. So I should have a 50k+ month swimming. not a lot for the fishies,but that will be a ton for me. I would like to be closer to 70k per month for the summer. Our OW group has their first swim scheduled this weekend. water temps are 50 degrees, but air temps are going to be WAY colder than that, so I am out. Hopefully I will start mid-month. Was supposed to do some hard climbing intervals in the mountains tomorrow morning, but my coach just called concerned about the weather (mid-high 20s with possible precip) and may have us doing pursuit intervals with friends somewhere a little warmer/drier. Fun!

Off to the track for progressive 400s later today... I am going to be channeling Salty - I need some of her get-up-and-go!

I looked at a graph of my last 4 years training.  I've never done more than 42k in a month....

2013-03-01 9:34 AM
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bzgl40 - 2013-03-01 11:25 AM
TankBoy - 2013-03-01 8:18 AM And I don't know about you guys, but I am so crazy-excited and nervous for Yanti I just cannot stand it. She should start at 1pm today eastern time if I have the clock figured out.

Go, Yanti, Go!

Edited - ignore all that weather info - that was from LAST YEARS Live blog. Trying to find the current one now, but WTC has not thought it important enough to make their website very friendly to portable devices...

Their website is not even friendly to regular computers.  I am super excited as well, especially with the news that the water temps are favorable for her

I'll be watching too, I hope their tracker behaves.

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