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2010-04-14 5:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Swimwear/wetsuit rules change for 2011 (starts 9/1/10)...
trirun26 - 2010-04-14 2:56 PM
PennState - 2010-04-14 1:55 PM I like the ruling. I wish more wtc events were not wetsuits legal as well. For those worried about the temp cutoff, I wouldn't be too concerned. Usually they measure the water temp at a location deep enough to try to get a number that fits under the cutoff. They are ultimately aware that at large Ironman events that there are usually people who would pull out of the race if it were not legal. I would always argue that one should he prepared and able to swim the distance you are racing with and WITHOUT a wetsuit.


I guess it is my own ignorance but it does surprise me how people so heavily rely on wetsuits! eventhough I am not a fast swimmer I hate swimming with a wesuit as a matter of fact it makes me slower and I have difficulty getting into a rhythm.

I chose IM Cozumel so I did not have to swim with a wetsuit ;-)...does it really make that much difference????


If you are slower with a wetsuit then there is likely something wrong with the fit and/or the way it's put on.  My shoulders used to get very tired prior to getting some tips on how to put it on correctly (and a couple tips to actually make the shoulders work less).  A properly donned wetsuit takes a few minutes to actually get on correctly. 

It makes a difference, not only in speed but thermal comfort.  In water temps even in the low 70s, for an IM you are going to be in water colder than your body temp for at least an hour, likely more.  It takes a lot of energy to warm the body, and you may be wasting a lot of kcals at the start of a very long day trying to keep yourself warm.

Of course, in waters as warm as coz that's not much of an issue (although diving in those waters for more than a couple days without a wetsuit will dramatically lower your core temp and you will be shivering, even in 80 degree water)

Edited by ChrisM 2010-04-14 5:27 PM


2010-04-15 7:17 AM
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Subject: RE: Swimwear/wetsuit rules change for 2011 (starts 9/1/10)...
Yes, I agree that my discomfort with the wetsuit has to be due to poor fitting though I have tried several. Even last year when I did  a half IM that was wetsuit legal I decided to wear it as everyone was wearing one!! though my gut said don't wear it. Well, I wore it and on the second loop of the swim I had to take it off I couldn't stand the feeling.

I guess I need to keep looking for one that fits. Fortunately for me the water temps in South Florida are usually warm so it is not so urgent...but I will keep trying to find one.

Yes, I know cozumel is difficult but hey! it is Ironman...supposed to be hard right? lol

Wish me luck!!
2010-04-15 12:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Swimwear/wetsuit rules change for 2011 (starts 9/1/10)...

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lisac957 - 2010-04-14 10:23 AM Is the water temp rule for allowing wetsuits (76.1 F) a change from 78 F?
If so, I wonder what the reasoning is behind that.
 


I don't know that there were any scientific studies done to suggest that 78ºf it too warm (unsafe) for wetsuit swimming, but personally I think it is.  78ºf is a good temperature for a swimming pool.  I overheat when I swim hard in 78º water in a wetsuit. 

Brian

 

Well there is your problem...Slow down and let the rest of us catch up so you don't overheat lol!

2010-04-15 1:03 PM
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Subject: RE: Swimwear/wetsuit rules change for 2011 (starts 9/1/10)...
Sorry to be daft, and yes, I did read the rules, but ...

I don't own a wetsuit. If my IM swim is wetsuit-legal, can I legally wear a speedsuit instead?

How about can I wear a speedsuit anyway but just forgo my (HA HA HA HA) AG award?
2010-04-15 1:48 PM
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TriAya - 2010-04-15 12:03 PM

Sorry to be daft, and yes, I did read the rules, but ...

I don't own a wetsuit. If my IM swim is wetsuit-legal, can I legally wear a speedsuit instead?

How about can I wear a speedsuit anyway but just forgo my (HA HA HA HA) AG award?


Great question! I would say yes as speedsuits are banned for non-wetsuit qualified swims.
2010-04-15 1:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Swimwear/wetsuit rules change for 2011 (starts 9/1/10)...
just my opinion,, and no data to back it up, BUT... I think people swim slower in a wetsuit since they do most of their swims in a pool, wear it is more of a controlled environment  and wear their wetsuits when they are doing OWS where things like sighting, and going around other people come into play. 


2010-04-15 2:29 PM
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Gaarryy - 2010-04-15 12:54 PM

just my opinion,, and no data to back it up, BUT... I think people swim slower in a wetsuit since they do most of their swims in a pool, wear it is more of a controlled environment  and wear their wetsuits when they are doing OWS where things like sighting, and going around other people come into play. 


I would agree with that, but it's not because of the wet suit.
2010-04-20 7:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Swimwear/wetsuit rules change for 2011 (starts 9/1/10)...
Yay!  78 always was too dang hot for a wetsuit.  It's about time!
2010-04-21 8:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Swimwear/wetsuit rules change for 2011 (starts 9/1/10)...
PennState - 2010-04-14 6:22 PM
trirun26 - 2010-04-14 5:56 PM
PennState - 2010-04-14 1:55 PM I like the ruling. I wish more wtc events were not wetsuits legal as well. For those worried about the temp cutoff, I wouldn't be too concerned. Usually they measure the water temp at a location deep enough to try to get a number that fits under the cutoff. They are ultimately aware that at large Ironman events that there are usually people who would pull out of the race if it were not legal. I would always argue that one should he prepared and able to swim the distance you are racing with and WITHOUT a wetsuit.


I guess it is my own ignorance but it does surprise me how people so heavily rely on wetsuits! eventhough I am not a fast swimmer I hate swimming with a wesuit as a matter of fact it makes me slower and I have difficulty getting into a rhythm.

I chose IM Cozumel so I did not have to swim with a wetsuit ;-)...does it really make that much difference????
Actually pretty much everybody I have ever met is faster with a wetsuit. You would be the rare exception I guess. IMCOZ is a tough one to compare as well as the swim splits were extremely fast due to favorable currents from what I was told by people who raced last year. Similar to Beach to Battleship. I guess what I'm saying is that a race with a big supporting current gives you a boost in a different but similar fashion as a wetsuit does. Personally I wouldn't mind doing more non-wetsuit races, but Lake Placid is pretty chilly and I bet it would be an issue.


I loved swimming at Cozumel without a wetsuit- the water temp was perfect and it was one less thing to have to worry about for the race.

I also think way to many people rely on wetsuits and use them as "crutches" in triathlons.  IMO, if you need a wetsuit to feel comfortable swimming in open water then maybe you're not ready to race?  But that's just me.

You will love the Cozumel swim!!

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2010-04-21 8:30 AM
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Subject: RE: Swimwear/wetsuit rules change for 2011 (starts 9/1/10)...
I'm glad they allow items to be worn underneath your swimwear (and zippers).  I misunderstood things originally and thought they were following FINA which doesn't allow more than one layer which I thought was totally bogus for triathlons. 

So to summarize, you can wear a swim skin of textile material, (the original speedo fastskins are textile materials, anything that is rubber-like is not) that does not cover your neck or extend past your knees, over your tri shorts and top at any temperature.

That was a big concern of mine because I don't think dragging the pockets of your trisuit through the water during the swim was ideal.  You can reduce your drag which is all you should be allowed to do.  People are going to get a lot less use out of their wetsuits though.
2010-04-26 5:54 AM
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Subject: RE: Swimwear/wetsuit rules change for 2011 (starts 9/1/10)...
if i read the new rule correctly it states no full leg and full arm suits, which i think is no good. in colder water swims full leg/arm suits are needed....


2010-04-26 11:11 AM
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Subject: RE: Swimwear/wetsuit rules change for 2011 (starts 9/1/10)...

maher025 - 2010-04-26 6:54 AM if i read the new rule correctly it states no full leg and full arm suits, which i think is no good. in colder water swims full leg/arm suits are needed....

Speedsuits or other kinds of swim wear  have to be sleeveless and stop above the knee.  Wetsuits can still have full sleeves and cover the entire leg.

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