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2008-01-25 12:45 PM
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2008-01-25 12:46 PM
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bryancd - 2008-01-25 1:40 PM Oh, yeah? We can change that real fast! Watch this! So, today I went and did an MAF test to see what my base fitness was.......

Congrats!  Hope you got some good relative numbers for later reference ............

Cool

2008-01-25 12:55 PM
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I just got 300 base posts.. am I ready for some interval posting sessions now(spam)? :D
2008-01-25 1:03 PM
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PennState - 2008-01-25 12:29 PM

agree, agree, agree :)

This is rather impressive how this topic has gone so well without bickering. Usually (myself included) discussions as nebuolous as aerobic and base training lead to a fracus :)

well this is the way it should be so we can all learn. Although it gets rather difficult to accomplihs that when we start discussing things that does not relate to the topic, when  personal vias rather than sound reasonsing/knowledge gets on the way or when we dicuss without really understaing the topic at hand. :)

Anyway, I am working on a long post with info from articles from Allen, Friel and others which should make this thread even more intenresting for debate! (but my full time job is getting on the way @#$%, jeezz!)



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2008-01-25 1:09 PM
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2008-01-25 1:36 PM
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Sorry doc, babies have a mind of their own and some women just get pregnant at the drop of a hat!  Can't complain too much, you picked the specialty!!


2008-01-26 1:17 PM
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Thanks for starting this thread Bryan it has been really helpful for me and thanks to all who've answered my questions - and we've managed it without any acrimony/ misunderstandings/ personal abuse so far - phew! I'm liking this

So because at the moment I'm doing three runs so approx 23 miles a week (Sun 11-12miles, Tues 6-7miles, Thurs 6-7miles hill/speed). As well as 3-4 swims and 2 bike sessions. I guess it would be helpful to start adding in a fourth run to bring up the volume a bit.

What do you think?

2008-01-26 2:21 PM
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jessicadawn - 2008-01-26 1:17 PM

So because at the moment I'm doing three runs so approx 23 miles a week (Sun 11-12miles, Tues 6-7miles, Thurs 6-7miles hill/speed). As well as 3-4 swims and 2 bike sessions. I guess it would be helpful to start adding in a fourth run to bring up the volume a bit. What do you think?

If you can fit in it will definitely help. 

You may want to skip you hills/speed session as you add in another run (keep the 6-7 miles, just make it another steady run).  Once you comfortable at the new volume level, add the intensity back.  But I would consider an LT run first instead of the hills/speed (not sure how you're defining 'speed').  Then maybe some hills/speed later.  Just some thoughts anyway.

2008-01-26 6:29 PM
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Thanks Jess, we have had this conversation before but never so constructive.

I was thinking about this again today on my ride. Base is very subjective which is why I think it can cause such disent when we try to label it. As I mentioned, for me base represents a heart rate zone, which in my case is very specific and is my Ironman racing zone. That covers a lot of ground, zone 1, zone 2, zone 3 based on the most widely accepted zone training protocols. As such, when I refer to it as "Base" what I am refering to really only applies to me and my definition of the term. There's where the arguments start, the precieved cavalier usage of the term, of which I am very gulity. However, I found this definition made my training as an Ironman easier, less complicated. Unlike other coaching methods, my coach simply believed that the longer he could train me in what he identified as my IM aerobic zone, the better I would be at IM racing. He was right....for me.
2008-01-30 12:14 PM
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ok peeps, it took me a while since work + coaching + training is been keeping me busy but I finally finish the base training post. I am posting part of it and to read the rest you can follow the link to my blog because it is kind of long. Let me know what you guys think...

What Exactly Is Base Training?

What exactly is base training? I’ve read about it at training magazines/books, endurance websites, I’ve heard coaches refer to it in training plans and even I’ve used it in different occasions in the context to describe a training period, yet to be honest I am not entirely sure what it does specifically mean. Does it refer to a particular training cycle? Does it refer to a particular training zone? Does it refer to a particular training approach? I did some research to try to find out what the specific definition is and understand what are talking about when using the term.

From different websites, training books and articles I found out that the concept has many definitions and it can represent something different to many coaches. Some people refer to it as a period to develop and improve one’s body ability to burn stored fat for fuel and they recommend limiting our training intensity to a specific training zone. They also advice using specific methods to determine that limit (like the Mafettone or MAF formula) (1). Others refer to it as a training period to mainly focus on developing our aerobic energy system via low intensity training. Others refer to it as a training period ideal to train endurance through the Aerobic Threshold aka as AeT. And yet others refer to it as the first training cycle with a simple training load to better prepare the athlete to handle greater training loads down the road. Although high intensity sessions are not avoided, they are limited to certain extent. (click here to read the entire post)

2008-01-30 12:32 PM
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Through this cycle the bulk of the load is performed at lower intensities but some sessions include intervals of higher intensity training although the length and intensity type will depend on the athlete’s fitness level. After this cycle is completed the athlete can then focus on other training adaptations and progress from general to specific training. Personally I believe this definition makes the most sense because it defines the cycle and focus.

So basically you agree with my earlier post about what I feel the definition is for me.



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2008-01-30 12:34 PM
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Excellent article, thank's Jorge. It's remarkable how overused the term really is. It certainly lends credence to the concept that every athlete, either alone or with thier coach, need to identify the type of training that's appropriate for the athlete at their stage of development, what their long term goals are, ect. My personal definition of base training simply being training at IM race pace has absolutley no practical application to anyone esle and vice versa.
2008-01-30 12:45 PM
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amiine - 2008-01-30 11:14 AM

ok peeps, it took me a while since work + coaching + training is been keeping me busy but I finally finish the base training post. I am posting part of it and to read the rest you can follow the link to my blog because it is kind of long. Let me know what you guys think...

What Exactly Is Base Training?

Great "article"/post, Jorge. Thanks so much for the information and citations.
2008-01-30 1:08 PM
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Awesome definition on how base building is done. Got to remember that. Great accomplishment on your Kona race also.
2008-01-31 2:53 AM
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Thank you for a well written and informative article Jorge
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