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2008-09-04 4:59 PM
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KEJ -... Also, we're going to move the swim start from the boat ramp, to another area, free of hydrilla....

And here I was thinking how cool it would look to start a race with a dive knife strapped to my leg, just to battle through the foliage.

(Actually I didn't find it that bad last year.  Still, the intimidation factor alone as I lined up at the start would be fun to watch.)



2008-09-04 5:45 PM
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I'm not sure USAT would be ok with a knife....

It looks like 14 waves, 4 mins apart. Working on it right now.
2008-09-04 9:13 PM
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KEJ - 2008-08-22 3:26 PM

We also may not start at the boat ramp. There are a few other options. If I can find a spot that doesn't have the hydrilla, we'll just bring in a truckload of beach sand and drop it, for the swim start. We do the same thing for the swim finish, and it works really well


Let me say this... the hydrilla was annoying and scratchy, but it wasn't the end of the world.




This is a HALF IRONMAN people! HTFU. Suck it up and swim through some harmless hydrilla. Then get out of the water and pull it off you. It's not a big deal.
2008-09-04 9:38 PM
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Keith -

 I didn't see one (or probably missed it), is there a bike transport company as a sponsor? 

2008-09-05 5:02 AM
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There isn't. I'm working on Tri Bike Transport for 2009.
2008-09-05 7:55 AM
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Can we get an update on the water temperature?


2008-09-05 8:00 AM
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I'm gonna guess 83...

It was at least that last year.
2008-09-05 8:13 AM
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bpkbpk - 2008-09-05 8:00 AM

I'm gonna guess 83...

It was at least that last year.


Given that a power plant uses the lake for cooling, the temperature doesn't fluctuate much. I wouldn't expect the race to be wetsuit-legal.
2008-09-05 8:13 AM
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For the run special needs bag, is that a provided bag at registration, or do we need to bring our own bag?

One month to go... I gotta keep training, taper, close on my house, move, and do two business trips... guess its time to HTFU right??

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2008-09-05 8:29 AM
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water temp is 91 right now

My guess is the water will be around 82-83.

For special needs, we have the bags at registration for you
2008-09-05 8:44 AM
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tikicult - 2008-09-05 8:13 AM

For the run special needs bag, is that a provided bag at registration, or do we need to bring our own bag?

One month to go... I gotta keep training, taper, close on my house, move, and do two business trips... guess its time to HTFU right??


At least the tapering gives you some time to work on the rest of that . Congrats on the house!


2008-09-06 7:16 PM
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Longhorn Course Training Report:

SWIM: So, I was out at Decker Lake today to do some training with a local Austin tri-club on the Longhorn route.  We started with a swim, I just did 500m...swim wasn't my focus today.  The water was typical TX brown, some hydrillia, but really nothing horrible at the spot I was at--no worries. But let me tell you--unless it suddenly becomes WINTER in TX in one month (not likely) there is NO chance of this being a wet suit legal race.  It was WARM water.  Not boiling, but definitely on the warm bath water side of things.  That electric plant is keeping the water toasty.

BIKE:
Climbing: My Garmin had it at around 2500ft of climbing.  BUT, there were only two times where I felt like I really had to climb. #1 The right turn from Lindell onto Blue Bluff (I think) was a pretty steep right turn where, because of turning, you lose your momentum, shift prior to here or it's going to be a little tough. #2 Of course, it's Quadzilla...right towards the end you have a pretty decent climb to get back to the park, and then once you hit the top and take the last turn back towards the transition/park entrance you have a short little climb. Everything in between are rollers and flats.  None of it made me think, awe crap, and I'm a fan of the flats.  Lots of the rollers allow you to pick up enough speed to easily make it up the next hill, fun stuff.

Road Surface: Some of it is really nice, some of it is not so nice. I think the part I disliked the most was the first section of Blake Manor and Littig...I started thinking that at some point Austin must've had an earthquake--the road cracks are pretty bad in some areas.  I hope they are well marked, but at the same time, there are just a lot of them...big enough to suck in a road tire.  So, watch it.  No one out of the group today (and there were lots of people riding it) caught one that I know of, but still.  Also, there were lots of so-called "road patches"--you know, where a repair crew comes out, drops a blob of asphalt on the ground and leaves.  Watch for that too.  For those of you coming from outside of TX, well, you'll get a little taste of just about everytype of TX road surface on this route.

Other notes: It is fairly scenic and it's nice to have a loop. If you've never seen a real Longhorn, just keep your eyes open while riding and you'll see them.  At the beginning you catch a lot of good downhills that are nice and you know you won't have to ride back up as well.  Some parts have a shoulder, some don't--so long as traffic is blocked off well, it won't be bad.  The traffic wasn't ridiculous out there today either.  Will it be the fastest route ever, no, but it's also not a slow route.  The key to riding this one will be rider awareness of the road surfaces, otherwise you're going to have a bad day.

RUN: I definitely didn't run the whole course, did nearly 3 miles (had more in me, but a bee stung my head and I decided it was a sign that I was done a little early), but that included "Quadzilla"--yeah, it's a kicker, but it's not as bad as the Buffalo Springs big hills.  A good section of the run within the park is on the grass, but there are ruts, not big rocks, I had no problems and it was nice to not have blazing hot asphalt reflecting back on me.  Minus Quadzilla, the route is fairly flat. 

Hope that helps some of y'all.  Definitely suggest going out and driving the course prior to the race so you can get an eye for the turns.  No u-turns, but some of the road turns are slightly sharp...we did take a near 2-mile detour when we missed one turn today, but I'm sure race day will make it easy to see. 

2008-09-06 7:33 PM
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Thanks for your scouting report!  I am glad to hear that there is quite a bit of flat lands mixed in with those hills!
2008-09-06 7:35 PM
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Thanks for the report.  I had the same impression of the bike course when I rode it in August.  I didn't get to run any of the run course so I'm glad to hear 'quadzilla' isn't as bad as the hills at BSLT.  I know those hills.

TJ

2008-09-06 8:39 PM
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Awesome Britt!  Thank
2008-09-06 9:24 PM
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zia_cyclist - 2008-09-06 7:35 PM

Thanks for the report.  I had the same impression of the bike course when I rode it in August.  I didn't get to run any of the run course so I'm glad to hear 'quadzilla' isn't as bad as the hills at BSLT.  I know those hills.

TJ

Tommy, FYI, Quadzilla is the last hill on the bike course.  Its on the fence line on the side of the road.



2008-09-06 9:30 PM
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Thanks for the report!!! I have been REALLY nervous about the hills since I train in here in Dallas where it is relatively flat. The hilliest course I have done is the race in Rockwall. Knowing that its mostly rollers makes me feel better.
2008-09-06 11:26 PM
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BTW, any updates on live athlete tracking?
2008-09-07 7:23 AM
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Okay, so as to be fair since everyone comes from different perspectives on hills, here is what my Garmin recorded as the elevation and grade--you can see the bigger hills, but you can also see how the grades of a lot of the ones in between are minimal, thus my definition of rollers.  Also, if you go to the Longhorn 70.3 website, go to maps, you can get good imagery of the course and elevation by clicking on the "Elevation of the Bike/Run Course" beneath the maps--and where does the link take you...right to our very own BT route tracker!

Not the greatest image, but had to get it small enough to post.  I did take a minor detour for about 3.5 miles in there between mile 24-28, but we went back on course, and most of the detour was really flat.

 

2008-09-08 11:56 AM
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tikicult - 2008-09-06 9:30 PM

Thanks for the report!!! I have been REALLY nervous about the hills since I train in here in Dallas where it is relatively flat. The hilliest course I have done is the race in Rockwall. Knowing that its mostly rollers makes me feel better.


I trained for Ironman Kentucky here in Dallas...and that course was NOT flat. I really did little to no hill training, but I made it through the hilly bike ride with a solid average.

As long as you are solid on the bike, you will be fine on the hills in Austin. This wind we have had works a person out for hills too!
2008-09-08 2:34 PM
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tikicult - 2008-09-06 9:30 PM

Thanks for the report!!! I have been REALLY nervous about the hills since I train in here in Dallas where it is relatively flat. The hilliest course I have done is the race in Rockwall. Knowing that its mostly rollers makes me feel better.


This is personal opinion, but I think the keys for you are:
- Make your training rides longer than the upcoming race distance
- Ride with as consistent an effort as possible on race day

Let's make up some numbers. Say you do a 56-mile training ride on a flat route. We'll also assume that you average 150 watts and it takes 3.5 hours for the ride. That may be off the mark from the wattage you actually ride, but based on your logs it's not WAY off. It's just for illustration anyway. The fact that we don't know your actual wattage doesn't matter.

So you've trained your body to put out a relatively consistent 150 watts for 3.5 hours. The problem is that on a hilly course, that wattage isn't going to get you that same 56 miles in that 3.5 hours. You're more likely to be on the course 3.75 hours or so. You need to train to produce that wattage for longer. Therefore, your training rides on the flatter routes should be 60+ miles leading up to the hilly race.

The second key is how you ride the course. As I mentioned above, training on flats, you've almost certainly gotten your body used to producing consistent wattage over the entire ride. If you start riding at a higher effort up the hills on race day, even if you take it easy on the downhills, you're going to trash your legs. You want to keep that same training effort, 150 watts in this example, regardless of what the road is doing.

Now, sure, you could ride up the hills at 190 watts and come down them at 120 or so and still average 150 watts over the whole ride. In fact, you would absolutely be faster than riding 150 watts steady throughout. The problem is that that type of riding has a higher physiological cost. Riding like that would be the physical equivalent of riding at probably 165 watts. That's 10% harder than your training has been.

So ride some extra miles if your training route is flat and your race is hilly and on race day, keep your heart rate steady. Don't get caught up in the emotion of the race and of the people going past you on the hills. If they're about the same level as you, you'll be seeing them again around mile 50 or so!

For those that use power meters, that "equivalent" wattage I'm talking about is exactly what Normalized Power in Cycling Peaks represents.


2008-09-08 2:53 PM
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Dennis,

Taking your theory one step further, what if you are 50 pounds overweight and your longest ride in training is 35 miles? 

Join the BBQ crew?

 

 

2008-09-08 3:18 PM
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Thanks everyone for the great info. The elevation chart, the IMKY story, and the numbers analysis really help put my mind at ease. What my logs don't show is how I have been trying to prepare for the hills. When I do ride, I make sure to sprint the hills that I do encounter. I have also made it a point to get out in the wind and ride directly into it as hard as I can. I hope that these two drills will help me be successful in Austin.
2008-09-08 3:26 PM
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OldAg92 - 2008-09-08 2:53 PM

Dennis,

Taking your theory one step further, what if you are 50 pounds overweight and your longest ride in training is 35 miles? 

Join the BBQ crew?

 

 



Buy a motor.
2008-09-08 3:49 PM
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Thought about that, but I'm not sure how to rig up a trolling motor for the swim portion...not to mention some of the other participants might not appreciate the prop.
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