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2008-12-03 5:17 PM

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ok, I know right now I am TERRIFIED of this race - last night my bike class coach said she thought Mooseman was a harder course = then went on to describe the 'short' hill on Timberman that if you are not properly weighted over your handlebars your front wheel will come up - I laughed and said I would be walking if I did that now!  Then she said the hardest part was the out and back because on the way back it is a false flat and often into the wind - so you go slower than you think you should be.....

 

I am SO glad we have a bit of time to train!!!!! And I KNOW I will want to make a few recon missions up to check out the bike course!!!!!



2008-12-03 5:52 PM
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Please do and give a report to those of us who cannot recon. I'm signed up for both Moosey and Timberman so I'll have to deal with both. SRAM 11-26 gears, we'll see how that works
2008-12-03 6:26 PM
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I am doing Moose too - just the Oly - rode it last year and liked the course - though NH does have those big mother hills....

then 2 weeks after Moose is patriot - a nice flat HIM.....

2008-12-03 8:17 PM
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I think knowing that the false flat is going to suck is a huge help.  I would have been so disheartened not knowing what to expect.  We'll be fine Cat!  At least you will be.  I'm more worried about a deep and wavy swim.  I'm used to shallow lakes and parallel ocean swims!  We definitely need to get up there for some training. 
2008-12-03 8:39 PM
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Rob, I tried to do the course on the computrainer last weekend - got through about 5 minutes and was just not there - and had to stop....

 Will try it again in the next month but need to get a bit stronger and do some more intervals.

 

I HAVE to learn to climb hills - hill repeats here we come!!! and yes I see many weekends or day trip to NH!!!!

2008-12-03 8:43 PM
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Yup, hill repeats!  I did a lot running this year and got very good at running hills.  That should work on the bike too.  Ooh, computrainer.  Andy Noble has a computrainer class that I might do.  Does Ali do computrainer classes?  Are her classes Tues or Mon?


2008-12-03 8:58 PM
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no Ali's classes are just trainer classes - but Karen Smyers and Dede Griesbauer are doing CT classes at fastsplits - pretty much every night - started this week.

 

 

2008-12-03 9:29 PM
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Hi kids! Cat thanks for getting this thread up! I am going to come right out with it and say that I LOVE to bike in the hills and train almost always in them. BUT the run is another story altogether.......YIKES!! And did someone say wavy swim? WTF I thought it was a nice little lake...no?

 Have no fear...we"ll get her done!!

2008-12-04 9:04 AM
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I’ve done Tman 3 years and even though the course change a bit it is not bad at all. The hills come on the first and last 11 miles of the course and the 34 miles in the middle are pretty flattish. The hills going out are steeper than when coming back. With an 11-23 you should be fine but if you are not too confident on your cycling skills a 12-25 might be a good idea. The portion in the middle going out is pretty flat and fast, when you turn and head back you get a false flat and usually a head wind and this can make the ride back tougher. If you pace smart you'll save your energy for this portion which also can be quite mentally challenging. Coming back there is a big descent after the few hills and that is fun (or scary if you don’t like descents). For most part the course is great, lost of room for riding and staying clean.

The run course is also tough, no one talks much about it but it has a few hills that while not steep you have to do twice and that make it tough especially on the 2nd loop. The weather can also be an issue, the 1st year I raced it the weather was hot and humid on the 80s, the 2nd year the weather cold and rainy all day.

YES, Mooseman is a harder course IMO.

2008-12-04 9:06 AM
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rcberto - 2008-12-03 8:17 PM I think knowing that the false flat is going to suck is a huge help.  I would have been so disheartened not knowing what to expect.  We'll be fine Cat!  At least you will be.  I'm more worried about a deep and wavy swim.  I'm used to shallow lakes and parallel ocean swims!  We definitely need to get up there for some training. 
The swim is beautiful and the water is super clean. But yes it can get very wavy so be ready for that...
2008-12-04 9:15 AM
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Gee Jorge....you kinda made me MORE worried than I was before!! Hills on the bike...good for aquagirl (epecially high speed descents, my specialty!). But hills on the run....ICK....will have to work on that. 


2008-12-04 9:19 AM
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aquagirl - 2008-12-04 9:15 AM Gee Jorge....you kinda made me MORE worried than I was before!! Hills on the bike...good for aquagirl (epecially high speed descents, my specialty!). But hills on the run....ICK....will have to work on that. 
no worries, with the great cycling fitness that you will have for 2009 it will make it easier for you to work on your run

BTW, you owe me chocolate cookies...

2008-12-04 9:27 AM
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The run has 1 short hill that's steep (150 yds long or so), and one gradual long incline for 1/2 mile, on each loop. The rest is mostly flat, and most is shaded, and on the lake.

It just seems harder after having done 1.2 and 56

The bike course has been described pretty well already. First 10-12 are hilly, middle 36 are slightly rolling, etc, the last 10 or so are hilly.

The toughest part, IMO, is after the turnaround where you have the false flat for 20 miles or so. It seems like it should be really fast, but there's often a headwind on this portion. So, you've got a slight incline and a headwind. It always frustrates me, as it seems like you should be flying on this portion, but then you look at your MPH.

On the other hand, if you're blessed with a tailwind on that portion, it's awesome. The headwind on the way out doesn't affect you too much, as it's still a really fast section (slightly downhill to the turnaround)....

2008-12-04 9:30 AM
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JorgeM - 2008-12-04 10:19 AM

aquagirl - 2008-12-04 9:15 AM Gee Jorge....you kinda made me MORE worried than I was before!! Hills on the bike...good for aquagirl (epecially high speed descents, my specialty!). But hills on the run....ICK....will have to work on that. 
no worries, with the great cycling fitness that you will have for 2009 it will make it easier for you to work on your run

BTW, you owe me chocolate cookies...

Just tell me where to send em!! 
2008-12-04 9:35 AM
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aquagirl - 2008-12-04 9:30 AM 
let's plan a training weekend camp for Tman next year and you can bring some for post training recovery!
2008-12-04 10:36 AM
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aquagirl - 2008-12-04 10:15 AM Gee Jorge....you kinda made me MORE worried than I was before!! Hills on the bike...good for aquagirl (epecially high speed descents, my specialty!). But hills on the run....ICK....will have to work on that. 

I'm the exact opposite!

Jorge, can you explain the 12/25 thing?  I have a 10 speed rear cassette and two front chainrings.  What does that mean for me?  Did I give you enough info and did I mess up the terms?!?  I obviously know nothing about bikes.

Btw, thanks for the bike challenge.  I'm getting stronger already!



2008-12-04 10:38 AM
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rcberto - 2008-12-04 11:36 AM

Jorge, can you explain the 12/25 thing?  I have a 10 speed rear cassette and two front chainrings.  What does that mean for me?  Did I give you enough info and did I mess up the terms?!?  I obviously know nothing about bikes.

Btw, thanks for the bike challenge.  I'm getting stronger already!

 

I think he is referring to the rear cassette(correct me if I am wrong) - how many cogs on the smallest and biggest ring

 

So how about some King/Queen of the hill workouts - like up summit avenue in Brookline?



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2008-12-04 10:49 AM
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The hills I ride in are so steep most of us around here have a 12-27!!!

 A few of my cycling peeps have done TM before and assure me the hills we ride in here are harder...so I hope they are right!

 I originally started out with an 11-23 and while I could get up the hills it wasn't too pretty....mashing big time. Hard on the knees in the long run.



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2008-12-04 11:02 AM
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rcberto - 2008-12-04 10:36 AM

aquagirl - 2008-12-04 10:15 AM Gee Jorge....you kinda made me MORE worried than I was before!! Hills on the bike...good for aquagirl (epecially high speed descents, my specialty!). But hills on the run....ICK....will have to work on that. 

I'm the exact opposite!

Jorge, can you explain the 12/25 thing?  I have a 10 speed rear cassette and two front chainrings.  What does that mean for me?  Did I give you enough info and did I mess up the terms?!?  I obviously know nothing about bikes.

Btw, thanks for the bike challenge.  I'm getting stronger already!

yes what tritoy said: check your rear cassette on your wheel and count the # of cogs it has, usually most bikes come with a 11-23 which is the gearing ratio you have on the cassette. you can buy a 12-25 or 12-27 when riding steeper hills as it makes climbing easier for you to keep your usual cadence.
2008-12-04 2:53 PM
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JorgeM - 2008-12-04 10:04 AM

I’ve done Tman 3 years and even though the course change a bit it is not bad at all. The hills come on the first and last 11 miles of the course and the 34 miles in the middle are pretty flattish. The hills going out are steeper than when coming back. With an 11-23 you should be fine but if you are not too confident on your cycling skills a 12-25 might be a good idea.



Well, now I'm wondering if I even want to put the 11-26 on. I'm happy with the 11-23 that came with the bike and I'm pretty good at hills. Not great but they don't wear me out too badly.

But if the Mooseman is worse I guess I'm going to go put the cassette on

Yeah, I'm fretting over stuff to keep my mind busy.
2008-12-04 4:19 PM
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Mooseman's hills are steeper than Timberman, and they're fairly constant throughout the course. Timberman has a break from the climbing in the middle 36 miles.

Moosey's course is fantastic, but it's VERY different than Timberman. It's more technical, and there is very little "put down your head and hammer" parts on it. Timberman has quite a bit of the course where you just hunker down in the aerobars.....


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You guys are all talkin' about the hills on the run and bike but how bout the swim. Are there any up hill portions of the swim???

Just kidding. My buddy has done it the last 3 years and say's it's not too bad on any portion. It will be my first time that far north for a race.
2008-12-05 2:11 PM
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I cant wait for the race. Sounds great.
2008-12-10 7:55 PM
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Just checking in, Can't wait for this race! although I do have a lot of hill training to do too. Rode part of the course a couple of years ago and told myself there was no way I'd ever do this race, but that was my first year biking so I'm hoping it's not as bad as I remember Laughing
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RI_Tri22 - 2008-12-10 8:55 PM Just checking in, Can't wait for this race! although I do have a lot of hill training to do too. Rode part of the course a couple of years ago and told myself there was no way I'd ever do this race, but that was my first year biking so I'm hoping it's not as bad as I remember Laughing

 

you will just have to make some of the trips up north with us to make it seem easy come race day....

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