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2009-04-20 4:23 PM

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Elite
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Subject: BT May Mountain Bike (BTMMTB) Challenge

It’s time for a challenge for those that like to get dirty! This is a mountain bike challenge for the month of May, from May 1st to 31st, 2009. This has to be done a little different than the road cycling challenges, because counting straight miles doesn’t give credit for really gnarly rides. So I have come up with a point system for each ride.

How it works:
There are 3 rating categories: hills, technical, and time. After each ride, you’ll rate your ride based on the descriptions for each. This is on the honor system, so try to be realistic for your local area trails.

HILLS
D: Flat to slight rolling terrain
C: Rolling hills, no long climbs
B: Lots of short, steep hills, or longer climbs
A: Sustained steep climbs

TECHNICAL
D: Smooth trail or Jeep road
C: Some technical challenges (few rocks, roots, etc) but mostly non-technical
B: Lots of technical challenges (big/loose rocks, ruts, sandy wash crossings, etc). May have short hike-a-bikes (few steps long).
A: Highly technical (steep rocky sections, large drops, steep scree slopes), and may have long/several hike-a-bikes (measured in fractions of a mile or miles long).

Night rides: For night riding, bump up a tech level. So a trail normally a C would be a B at night.

TIME (actual rolling time)
D: 30 min – 1 hr
C: 1 hr – 2 hrs
B: 2 – 3 hrs
A: 3+ epic, or intense mountain bike race

POINTS:

 

HILLS

TECH

TIME

D

1

1

1

C

2

2

2

B

3

3

3

A

4

4

4

The order from D to A is backwards because that aligns more with the current lingo in the mountain bike community. Crazy hard rides are known as A rides, while easier rides are known as C and D rides.

Example:
I did a 1.5 hr ride on a trail that looks mostly like this:

I’d give the trail a Hill rating of C, Tech rating of C, and Time rating of C since I rode 1.5 hrs. In the points table, C’s are 2 points, so that’s a total of 6 points for that ride. I’d log my cycling like normal in my BT blog but put in the description that it was a mountain bike ride worth 6 points.

At the end of each week we post how many points we got. More points is better!

Hills – pretty self explanatory.

Technical – This is a little more subjective, so I’ve tried to provide examples.

Time – This is actual rolling time on the bike, not counting resting, chatting, posey sniffing. Minimum ride time is 30 minutes to count.

Races – Note that a mountain bike race gets an A rating for 4 maximum time points (hills and tech ratings depend on the race course and are up to your discretion). This must be an official mountain bike race to count, and you do not have to have raced for 3+ hours. If you race for 45 minutes, you still get 4 points. I wanted to give extra credit to those that go out and challenge themselves in races. If you DNF the race, give yourself the normal time points (gotta give props to those that finish!). The mountain bike portion of XTERRAs (off-road triathlons), off-road duathlons, and adventure races count.

GUIDELINES
Bike:
This is a mountain bike challenge, so rides must be done on a bike with knobby tires to count. Cyclocross bikes are acceptable as long as you are running knobby tires. Trials bikes (observed trials) are allowed, and skill sessions count. Sessions must be at least 30 min long though.

Trails:
The focus of this challenge is on dirt trails and mountain biking. The ride may include road, but the majority of the ride must be dirt, and the express purpose of the ride must be dirt riding. For example, if you are riding a dirt road that turns to pavement for a bit and then back to dirt to get to a trailhead, you can count all of that time because you are going to ride the trail.

Commuting:
I went back and forth on this and determined commuting is not in the spirit of this particular challenge. So commuting on a mountain bike does not count, even if it’s on dirt. However, it does count for the commuting challenge, so please join
Bill’s BT Commuting challenge.

Blogging:
Each person needs to keep track of their rides and points in their BT blog and report it on Monday of each week. We need each person to be active and help with this. This isn’t one of those passive challenges where you just sign up and someone else checks on your blogged miles. Besides, more posting means more time for smack talk!

Teams:
For now, please post if you are interested in participating. Depending on how many we have interested, we may do teams, and if those get big enough, have team captains to help with reporting points. I don’t think there has been a BT mountain bike challenge, so I have no idea how many folks will be interested.

In the words of Mike Rowe: “Now get ready…to get dirty!”



2009-04-20 6:09 PM
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Subject: RE: BT May Mountain Bike (BTMMTB) Challenge

I am interrested, but this seems pretty complicated. I just like numbers. So this is how I am going to think about it. LOL
But good job on the idea. You definitely put some thought into this.

HILLS-POINTS
1
: Flat to slight rolling terrain
2: Rolling hills, no long climbs
3: Lots of short, steep hills, or longer climbs
4: Sustained steep climbs

TECHNICAL-POINTS
1
: Smooth trail or Jeep road
2: Some technical challenges (few rocks, roots, etc) but mostly non-technical
3: Lots of technical challenges (big/loose rocks, ruts, sandy wash crossings, etc). May have short hike-a-bikes (few steps long).
4: Highly technical (steep rocky sections, large drops, steep scree slopes), and may have long/several hike-a-bikes (measured in fractions of a mile or miles long).

Night rides: For night riding, bump up a tech level. So a trail normally a 2 would be a 3 at night.

TIME -POINTS (actual rolling time)
1
: 30 min – 1 hr
2
: 1 hr – 2 hrs
3
: 2 – 3 hrs
4
: 3+ epic, or intense mountain bike race

POINTS:

 

HILLS

TECH

TIME

1

1

1

2

2

2

3

3

3

4

4

4

2009-04-20 6:32 PM
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Subject: RE: BT May Mountain Bike (BTMMTB) Challenge
oh crap.  I'll play...  First ever challenge, so I'm not sure what to do, but I will follow along with the rules.  I am also not sure how much I will get in.  Maybe one ride a week, but I have a couple races in May.  I assume the bike portion of the XTERRA counts...
2009-04-20 7:15 PM
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moto_mort - 2009-04-20 3:09 PM

I am interrested, but this seems pretty complicated. I just like numbers.



If you can add numbers 1-4, you can do this challenge. Feel free to ask your kids for help.

2009-04-20 9:03 PM
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Okay, I'm in - I too find the math daunting (Adding! Argh!) But will probably be able to cope. Now I have to actually exercise this month, bummer.
2009-04-20 9:32 PM
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I think I shall participate!  Perhaps I can talk Erik into participating vicariously through me.....

I'm sure Elaine in her infinite wisdom can whip up a really easy to use spreadsheet....



2009-04-21 1:09 AM
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Oh yes, there shall be spreadsheets...oh yes.

2009-04-21 8:19 AM
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2009-04-21 10:36 AM
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wgraves7582 - 2009-04-21 5:19 AM

Count me in - I know you are shocked right?

So what if my pavement takes me to the dirt trails (about 10 miles each way) - should I just count the pavement as a commute for my challenge and just total up my dirt time?



Yes, it's becoming a who's who of BT mountain biking.

Yep, you can count the road as long as the trial isn't something like a mile long. If the majority of the total ride is on dirt and you're riding road to get to the trail it counts.

2009-04-21 11:25 AM
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2009-04-21 12:50 PM
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Would love to join is there still room on a Team?  I ride 3ish days per week regularly.

Thanks,

Jed



2009-04-21 1:25 PM
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2009-04-21 2:46 PM
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8 of us are in so far...enough to start a challenge!

PirateGirl (Elaine)
moto_mort (Ryan)
Akidoman (Jim)
offtrackmtb (Liane)
kmanus (Krista)
wgraves7582 (Bill)
jdorsh (Jed)
MikeTheBear (Mike)

Hmm...so far the only girls up for the challenge are Tucson Tri Girls.

2009-04-21 3:22 PM
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offtrackmtb - 2009-04-20 7:03 PM Okay, I'm in - I too find the math daunting (Adding! Argh!) But will probably be able to cope. Now I have to actually exercise this month, bummer.


Ha!  I'm a little intimidated with the math as well.  But I figure I ride mostly the same trails.  Once I decide what they are, then all that plays factor is how long I'm out there.

Now just figuring out what they are......

So, if I have a route that use to be an old NORBA race course.  What do you think they would average out to be - difficulty wise?

Edited by Aikidoman 2009-04-21 3:23 PM
2009-04-21 4:03 PM
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Subject: RE: BT May Mountain Bike (BTMMTB) Challenge

Im in it to win it!!!

I just got my new calulator fixed and new batteries, so the math will be easy...

Tuson vs. the other 49 states?  just .02 j/k

2009-04-21 4:13 PM
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As a ESCKTC member - I must represent!  Please count this Lake Pleasant/Wickenburg AZ dude in!



2009-04-21 6:24 PM
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perkins_jerryw - 2009-04-21 2:13 PM

As a ESCKTC member - I must represent!  Please count this Lake Pleasant/Wickenburg AZ dude in!



I didn't know you mountain biked Jer. Are you going to do any offroad tris this year?
2009-04-21 8:38 PM
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I'm in.  Elaine can do the math for me...

-z.
2009-04-21 8:46 PM
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PirateGirl - 2009-04-21 1:46 PM

8 of us are in so far...enough to start a challenge!

PirateGirl (Elaine)
moto_mort (Ryan)
Akidoman (Jim)
offtrackmtb (Liane)
kmanus (Krista)
wgraves7582 (Bill)
jdorsh (Jed)
MikeTheBear (Mike)

Hmm...so far the only girls up for the challenge are Tucson Tri Girls.

It's just cuz the Tri Girls rock!  (and our Tri Guy of course)

2009-04-21 10:26 PM
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jer, you mtn bike?  Big bird has a brother....

2009-04-22 1:25 AM
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Subject: RE: BT May Mountain Bike (BTMMTB) Challenge
WHAT an awesome challenge!!!

Good luck everyone!


2009-04-22 1:32 AM
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Subject: RE: BT May Mountain Bike (BTMMTB) Challenge
Will this be individual or team? I forgot that the last week of May I'm out of town and can't take my MTB, although I might be able to rent one where I'm going. If we're doing teams, I wouldn't want my absence to hurt my team. If individual, I don't care; I just want to have fun doing this and get in some MTBing even if I end up coming in dead last. What's the penalty for coming in dead last? Do we have to write on our signature lines something like "I want to wear PirateGirl's eye patch as a thong?" I can deal with that.
2009-04-22 9:23 AM
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Mike,

I would not worry about the week out.  I think everyone has some form of commitments that will limit the amount of time we can ride.  I think its a Team thing, or at least that is how I read it...don't care either way but in the event it is, I could pitch in a couple extra rides to carry your weight.  Maybe double up with some night rides...I usually take my boyz (two dogs) and they would love to get double sessions in.

Take the challenge and join...

Jed
2009-04-22 9:24 AM
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MikeTheBear - 2009-04-21 10:32 PM
Will this be individual or team?


Whatever folks want to do. It's the first mountain bike challenge, so we can make it what we want.

So do folks want to do teams or individual? I'm fine either way.
2009-04-22 11:38 AM
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Subject: RE: BT May Mountain Bike (BTMMTB) Challenge
I was thinking about this on the drive into work, and I'm thinking teams would be best. It helps keep folks motivated and every little bit of riding helps the team. Whereas if it 's individual, it's hard to keep motivated if one person is running away with it all. I know I tend to get into the "why bother" attitude if there's no mathematical way for me to catch up. Whereas with teams it all depends on how well the team as a whole is doing.
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