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2010-06-13 1:33 PM
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Looks like you guys are running in an oven.  The real feel Temp is 100 degrees right now in Cambridge.  Yikes!



2010-06-13 4:12 PM
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People can say what they want, but that wasn't any better that FL 70.3 run, except suks to run in the grass.

That was a really hot run today.
I looked forward to coming up north from Florida for a much temp cooler race.

Great support and a really fun race though.
2010-06-14 5:42 AM
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That race sucked a$$!!
2010-06-14 6:17 AM
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BRUTAL hot - but done.
2010-06-14 6:29 AM
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Anybody know if the results are posted?  Either I can't find them or they aren't up yet...
2010-06-14 6:40 AM
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2010-06-14 6:46 AM
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Subject: RE: EagleMan Ironman 70.3 Triathlon : Official Thread
Yup, they're up, see here:

http://www.trifind.net/triathlons/maryland/eagleman/results/

** Side note, were there a lot of DNF's?  It's only showing 1552 finishers and over the loudspeaker they said there were 2600 athletes competing.  I know some were aquavelo and relays, but I would guess only a few hundred?

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2010-06-14 7:46 AM
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That run broke me.  I was not happy at the end that I missed my goal by a few minutes, but after talking with everyone I know.. seems like many died on the run or had a slower swim time by a few minutes than usual.

I think by the time my wave went off (8:07 actual), the yellow buoys on the last leg had drifted in and if you followed them perfectly it was not a straight line getting home.

Great supported race though.  Lots of fun!  Really loved the bike course. 
2010-06-14 8:56 AM
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yeah, everyone was complaining about swim times. i am no worse of a swimmer this year and last year I saw 15 minutes faster. I knew the wetsuit couldn't have contributed that much!

I have been complaining no stop about this race but on a positive note you have to tip your hats to the volunteers. Just an amazing job. Most races would have run out of fluids and ice, etc. They were all over it! And the med tents were being used very heavily as well. They know how to do it right and for that reason I may consider doing this race again even though it was pure hell on the run.
2010-06-14 9:00 AM
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strostertag - 2010-06-14 7:46 AM Yup, they're up, see here:

http://www.trifind.net/triathlons/maryland/eagleman/results/

** Side note, were there a lot of DNF's?  It's only showing 1552 finishers and over the loudspeaker they said there were 2600 athletes competing.  I know some were aquavelo and relays, but I would guess only a few hundred?


I think they haven't reported all of the results yet, or they had some system errors. On the Ironman live tracker it shows me as not finishing, I have everything up to the first half run but no second half and no finish and I finished. A couple friends of mine are also not listed as finishing. I emailed tri columbia to see what the problem was. I would have assumed my chip malfunctioned, but my name registered at the finish because they called it out so it was working. That might account for the seemingly high number of DNFs.

I really suffered in this race. I was 11 minutes slower than normal on the swim, I'd really love to know how long the course actually was. I was about 20 minutes slower than usual on the run due to lack of training (slowly recovering from an injury) and heat. I set a bike PR and was thrilled, I basically went into the race planning to put all of my effort into the bike and risk cooking my legs for the run since I knew i'd have a less than optimal run anyway. Good race overall, it was one of the hardest I've ever done due to those conditions. Congrats to everyone!

2010-06-14 9:42 AM
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I didn't think the swim conditions were bad but it was definitely longer than 1.2 miles.

The bike was flat and fast as advertised. I didn't really feel much headwind until miles 40 to 50.

The run was brutal BUT the support was awesome.  To have ice cold water, Gatorade , and Pepsi at every station was the only thing keeping me going.


2010-06-14 2:56 PM
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Finished.

I am alive.

We will consider it a success.
2010-06-14 5:08 PM
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Ahhh, I didn't think that many people dropped out. Makes sense. People seemed to be toughing it out and just walking if necessary.

Did you have on a black outfit with pink hat??? I think we were going back and forth passing each other but I didn't have the energy to start up a conversation. You were really toughing it out. Good job!
2010-06-14 7:26 PM
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I only did the A-V but was disappointed by my swim time, too.  Even with the confused A-V start & my freak-out in the 1st 500 yds, my 37 mins for 1.2 miles is about 7 to 10 minutes longer than I expected.  Swimming is my strong sport and the only discipline I am at full strength in at this point in my training cycle.  So I would have to agree that the course was 'long' or maybe not at slack tide as they claimed.

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2010-06-15 12:05 AM
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Yes - tough race. Heat was insane and killed my run for sure. Agree on awesome volunteer support and supplies at aid stations. As for the swim, I looked up Bozzone's time from 2009 compared to this year and even he was almost 4:00 slower - so something was definitely off, not just the wetsuit factor (tide? distance?)

Congrats, finishers!!!!!
2010-06-15 7:58 AM
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2010-06-15 9:26 AM
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Akrakowski - 2010-06-15 1:05 AM Yes - tough race. Heat was insane and killed my run for sure. Agree on awesome volunteer support and supplies at aid stations. As for the swim, I looked up Bozzone's time from 2009 compared to this year and even he was almost 4:00 slower - so something was definitely off, not just the wetsuit factor (tide? distance?) Congrats, finishers!!!!!
I think it was long, but I also think the currents were the bigger issue. Why? If it was long, then times would be even slower for faster swimmers. Strong swimmers are less affected by currents than weak swimmers in general. I don't think the pro's usually get wetsuits at Eagleman, but the lack of suits affected the AGers for sure.


Exactly.  I'm not really sure how this course can get any longer.  You start at the boat ramp and swim basically straight to the seawall at the yacht club on the far end of Hambrooks Bay when you make that first right turn.  Then you swim along that seawall to the next buoy and swim back to the park.  Where you could add distance to this setup, I'm not sure.  If the current was to start moving the buoys, then they'd actually move towards the start shortening the swim course...

http://www.tricolumbia.org/Eagleman/2010%20Eagleman%20Course%20Maps%20SWIM.pdf
2010-06-15 12:15 PM
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I found out the swim was roughly 300 meters loner then should have been. Which really makes sense for how much slower my times were then normal.

I am happy I was ignorant of the real temps out on that run. If I knew the real temp feel was close to 100...I may have totally mind-f*cked myself. Instead, I iced my hat, bra, shorts to the point I was abel to tolerate it all.
2010-06-15 12:50 PM
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Yes, it was a very tough race.  The swim without the wetsuit really did it for me as my swim sucks but I was able to tough it out and beat the cut off.  I even started a few minutes late since my wife talked me into watching the pros swim the course and when we started walking back figuring we still had time before my wave and we hear the countdown for my age group.  I had to run across the field putting on my cap and goggles and pushing through the queue of the next wave and try to catch up.

I had a great time on the bike but was surprised to hit most of the headwind on the way out and only a little wind on the way back.  Everyone was telling me the opposite to expect nasty winds on the second half.  My one complaint is the bike aid stations were handing out hot Gatorade.  It would have been great to have at least slightly cold fluids.

The run just plain sucked.  It was so hot and that was causing my asthma to kick up big time.  I really appreciate the tip someone posted here about the ice in the hat.  That was awesome and made a big difference to how I felt.  I also used Torbjorne Sindballe's tip from Kona and held ice in my hands as well.  I walked a lot during the run but at least I finished. 

My thanks to all the volunteers and to the well stocked aid stations.  The Gatorade snow cone around mile 7 was a welcome treat!  The ice on the run was a race saver for many.

Great job to everyone who went out there and gave it their all!!
2010-06-15 4:36 PM
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Good point Fred. I was comparing some of my friends swims from last year and everyone's was slower but mine was MUCH slower. Reason: I am a sucky swimmer. Quite honestly I felt quite good on the swim and didn't mind not having a wetsuit, actually kind of enjoyed it. I guess the swim was a bit long but it couldn't have been that much longer. People with garmins are reporting 300 yards. It must have been current but I just didn't appreciate it out there. I swam there for Chessy man and THAT I FELT! This was nothing like it. Seemed quite calm.

What really sucks is that hundreds of people DNF'd because they missed the swim cutoff. I originally thought it was due to the run but I am reading on slowtwitch that people got done with the bike and had notes on there rack that said to turn in there chip!! Wow, that would have been disappointing.
2010-06-15 4:53 PM
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Extreme example...

If the current was .5 mph and two swimmers did the course one swam normally 2 mph and the other 1.5 mph. The stronger swimmer would go 2-.5= 1.5 mph or be about 25% slower, where the weaker swimmer would go 1.5-.5=1 mph or 33% slower than their normal pace.

Then to compare a no current swim the faster swimmer would have been 33% faster than slower swimmer 2/1.5 compared to swim with current of .5mph the faster swimmer would be 50% faster than the slower swimmer 1.5/1

Like Fred said current effects slower swimmers more than faster swimmers.

IM China one year, I think the first year, had a river swim you had to swim up river and down and I think it was two loops. Some slower swimmers were to slow to make forward progress with the strong river current ie they swam slower than the current so the folks in the river told them to skip the up river buoy and the next year they changed the swim to all with the current down river.


2010-06-19 8:33 AM
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KathyG - 2010-06-15 4:53 PM Extreme example...

If the current was .5 mph and two swimmers did the course one swam normally 2 mph and the other 1.5 mph. The stronger swimmer would go 2-.5= 1.5 mph or be about 25% slower, where the weaker swimmer would go 1.5-.5=1 mph or 33% slower than their normal pace.

Then to compare a no current swim the faster swimmer would have been 33% faster than slower swimmer 2/1.5 compared to swim with current of .5mph the faster swimmer would be 50% faster than the slower swimmer 1.5/1

Like Fred said current effects slower swimmers more than faster swimmers.

IM China one year, I think the first year, had a river swim you had to swim up river and down and I think it was two loops. Some slower swimmers were to slow to make forward progress with the strong river current ie they swam slower than the current so the folks in the river told them to skip the up river buoy and the next year they changed the swim to all with the current down river.


E-Man was into the current at the beginning and with it for the second half.

Everyone that I know, and the pros, were about 20% off of their normal times.
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