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2009-08-17 8:20 AM |
Subject: Handicaped by size? I am 5’8 with a 30 inch inseam… I realized this weekend while on a training ride with a friend, that when all other factors are equal, like fitness, weight, bike quality, transition times etc… my height may be a handicap for me when racing. When swimming, my shorter arms can pull hard, but I only get (for the sake of numbers) a pull of 3 feet, when the guy who is 6’ may get 4 feet. Assuming all things equal like the power of the pull, they get longer propulsion out of each stroke. Biking may not be that bad… maybe even an advantage to me as I may cut the air better… but on the run! Oh the run. I have to turn my short little legs over twice as fast to cover the same distance. My running stride (again for numbers sake) is, say 5 feet and the tall guy gets like 7 feet. That adds up quick over a few miles. I sort of think it is like my 1 year old walking to the mailbox with me. For me, it’s just a few hundred yards, but to her, it is a LONG way…
Am I over thinking this? |
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2009-08-17 8:30 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Expert 1074 Madison, MS | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? chandy14ski - 2009-08-17 8:20 AM I am 5’8 with a 30 inch inseam… I realized this weekend while on a training ride with a friend, that when all other factors are equal, like fitness, weight, bike quality, transition times etc… my height may be a handicap for me when racing. When swimming, my shorter arms can pull hard, but I only get (for the sake of numbers) a pull of 3 feet, when the guy who is 6’ may get 4 feet. Assuming all things equal like the power of the pull, they get longer propulsion out of each stroke. Biking may not be that bad… maybe even an advantage to me as I may cut the air better… but on the run! Oh the run. I have to turn my short little legs over twice as fast to cover the same distance. My running stride (again for numbers sake) is, say 5 feet and the tall guy gets like 7 feet. That adds up quick over a few miles. I sort of think it is like my 1 year old walking to the mailbox with me. For me, it’s just a few hundred yards, but to her, it is a LONG way…
Am I over thinking this? Waaay overthinking it! I'm 5'4", and I can only dream of a 30" inseam. I am not the fastest person on the block, but I hold my own, and I have moved up from way BOP to solidly MOP, with a few AG places now and again. And I regularly chick my 6'+ friend in all 3 disciplines. Don't let size or shape fool you. There are all kinds of people at triathlon, and you cannot always judge by how someone looks by how well they'll perform. It's training, fitness, and technique. With practice, it all comes together. |
2009-08-17 8:35 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Expert 950 Ann Arbor | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? Very much so. For all disciplines technique is the most important. Poor technique puts you at a grater disadvantage than being shorter than others. Like everyone says around here, work on the engine. It doesn't matter how tall the competition is, if you have good technique and you train hard you will beat the taller guys that aren't doing so. |
2009-08-17 8:38 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Elite 2998 Fishers, Indiana | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? What can you do to control what you have been given? Nothing...so yes, you're overthinking it. Who cares. That 6' tall guy is also going to have 4 more inches worth of weight to lug around. I'm 5'3" with a long torso and short legs, shorter than yours I'm sure. I once told a friend of mine that I would never be able to run fast cause I wasn't built for it. That was about 9 years ago. I got over that mental barrier and decided to control what I could, which was my training. So, I started running, and running, and running. What do you know, I picked up speed. I regularly am a front of the pack racer, I qualified for the Boston Marathon after running my FIRST marathon ever, and I beat a lot of people significantly taller than me. Sure, I'd like some more inches, but I'm not going to get it! So rather than focus on what "might" hold me back, I improve on what WILL propel me forward and past the rest of the field, regardless of whether they are taller, shorter, lighter, heavier, etc. than me. IMHO, the biggest handicap that people have are their own minds. Control what you can control! |
2009-08-17 8:43 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? Wait... I thought the TALL people had a disadvantage. Hence the Clydesdale division.
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2009-08-17 8:50 AM in reply to: #2352648 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? |
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2009-08-17 8:56 AM in reply to: #2352674 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? Athletes come in all shapes and sizes. True, most of the fast swimmers are really tall, but runners are not, cyclists are not always and traithletes are all over the map. Wanna tell Chrissy Wellington (who is about your height) that she is at a disadvantage? |
2009-08-17 8:57 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? wait, wait....I agree with the above about technique, and mental attitude, thats why we train, right! : 0 ) What I am saying is if EVERYTHING is equal same technique swimming, same bike, same fitness, stamina, wetsuit, tri shorts, mental attitude, 2 people are exactly the same (in theory) except height…everything… if you take all of the variables out of the mix, and speak strictly to the mechanics of the human body, the longer legs/ arms seem to me to be pre disposed to do better with the same out put of effort… The challenge for me is to out train genetics! |
2009-08-17 8:59 AM in reply to: #2352687 |
Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? Daremo - 2009-08-17 9:56 AM Athletes come in all shapes and sizes. True, most of the fast swimmers are really tall, but runners are not, cyclists are not always and traithletes are all over the map. Wanna tell Chrissy Wellington (who is about your height) that she is at a disadvantage? That woman is amazing! If I can ever catch up to her, I ll tell her what a big disadvantage she has... I may need a very fast car.... hummm.... |
2009-08-17 8:59 AM in reply to: #2352648 |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? lisac957 - 2009-08-17 9:43 AM Wait... I thought the TALL heavier people had a disadvantage. Hence the Clydesdale division. Discuss.
i fixt it for ya.... |
2009-08-17 9:06 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Extreme Veteran 887 Lake Placid, NY | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? I'm 4'10" and won my AG in the local 5K on Saturday despite holding back so I'd have something left for my first sprint tri tonight. Want to tell the other 30-39 year old women I beat out that they had an advantage? The only disadvantage my 25" inseam has given me so far is a fewer choices for a bike. |
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2009-08-17 9:14 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? It actually has a lot more to do with how aerodynamically your skull is shaped. All I know is ya gotta play with what ya got. |
2009-08-17 9:17 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Expert 1203 | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? I hear what your saying regarding a height advantage. I have a 27" inseam I know that I have to take more strides per mile than a 6 footer. My problem is not leg length though it's leg size. I am built for power not speed. I'll keep working to see if I can swing it some to the speed side. I just broke a 10 mile for 3 consecutive miles last week. My typical pace is around 10:45 I averaged 9:30ish. So I know speed improvements are possible. Next stop...sub 9! The original poster is correct though that genetically with all other things being equal a taller person would have an advantage. There will always be exceptions to the rule though. Edited by Batlou 2009-08-17 9:20 AM |
2009-08-17 9:23 AM in reply to: #2352731 |
Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? PinkPrincess - 2009-08-17 10:06 AM I'm 4'10" and won my AG in the local 5K on Saturday despite holding back so I'd have something left for my first sprint tri tonight. Want to tell the other 30-39 year old women I beat out that they had an advantage? The only disadvantage my 25" inseam has given me so far is a fewer choices for a bike. I think everyone is sort of missing the point.... PinkPrincess, Im just spitballing here, but I bet you are in much better shape than some (all of them that day). If you could take what you have now, and magically add a foot of height (leg length), so you have the exact same effort to turn your legs over, and you get a bonus 2 feet per stride, you would be unbeatable.. in THEORY... right? You would even beat your pre-magically enhanced self, simply because of the longer stride... Maybe I had too much coffee this morning... |
2009-08-17 9:23 AM in reply to: #2352692 |
Veteran 1097 Elizabethtown, KY | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? chandy14ski - 2009-08-17 9:57 AM wait, wait....I agree with the above about technique, and mental attitude, thats why we train, right! : 0 ) What I am saying is if EVERYTHING is equal same technique swimming, same bike, same fitness, stamina, wetsuit, tri shorts, mental attitude, 2 people are exactly the same (in theory) except height…everything… if you take all of the variables out of the mix, and speak strictly to the mechanics of the human body, the longer legs/ arms seem to me to be pre disposed to do better with the same out put of effort… The challenge for me is to out train genetics! Sorry, but you're wrong. It's simple physics. Assuming efficiency of stroke/mechanics is equal, the differentiator will be weight, not height. It takes more energy to move more weight. Longer legs are heavier legs and take more power to rotate (aside from the general problem of simply moving a greater mass at the same pace). Also, longer arms in the water mean more drag due to more surface area in contact with the water. |
2009-08-17 9:24 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Master 1641 Seattle, California | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? I wouldn't over think it. There are crazy fast people of all shapes and sizes. I think mentally believing that you are at a disadvantage due to this will affect your performance more then anything else. Just forget about it and train hard. |
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2009-08-17 9:33 AM in reply to: #2352788 |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? Global - 2009-08-17 9:24 AM I wouldn't over think it. There are crazy fast people of all shapes and sizes. I think mentally believing that you are at a disadvantage due to this will affect your performance more then anything else. Just forget about it and train hard. Why doesn't anyone say stuff like this in the clydesdale threads (without getting the virtual stink eye)? Honestly curious. |
2009-08-17 9:42 AM in reply to: #2352819 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? lisac957 - 2009-08-17 9:33 AM Global - 2009-08-17 9:24 AM I wouldn't over think it. There are crazy fast people of all shapes and sizes. I think mentally believing that you are at a disadvantage due to this will affect your performance more then anything else. Just forget about it and train hard. Why doesn't anyone say stuff like this in the clydesdale threads (without getting the virtual stink eye)? Honestly curious. most likely due to posts a couple of above yours that explain the whole physics of have moving more weight is harder .. blah blah .. |
2009-08-17 9:48 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
New user 219 | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? ok, I had to measure... I'm 5'2" with a 30" inseam standing barefoot. I thought it was all technique also. |
2009-08-17 10:08 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? You have to play the hand you're dealt. I'm 5'-7" with a 29" inseam and a 46" chest, which pretty much makes me the defintion of "fireplug". Certainly not the ideal physique for triathlon (or too many other sports for that matter). That being said, I view my performance limitations to be more the result of lack of consistency & discipline in my training & diet than to the specific limitations of my physique. If the length of my legs were my only limiter, then I'd be doing pretty well. One of the things I like about triathlon is that it is first and foremost a challenge of individual perfromance, rather than just a head-to-head competition. I'm not a particularly gifted athlete, but always have enjoyed participating. In spite of being relatively slow in everything, I truly enjoy training in all three disciplines - if nothing else I'm a hard-core endorphin junkie. At age 56, and eight years removed from open-heart surgery, I take satisfaction that I'm still out there training & competing, while most of my contemporaries have long ago given up strenuous exercise. Mark
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2009-08-17 10:16 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? 5'8" isn't even on the short side imo. |
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2009-08-17 10:24 AM in reply to: #2352958 |
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2009-08-17 10:36 AM in reply to: #2352594 |
Member 169 Taylorsville, KY | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? I'm a 5'3" male and a MOP. I've always been a good athlete, but team sports were problematic because height is almost always a huge factor. I think roch1009 is exactly right, that your weight and strength in relation to your height is more important than your height alone. I can't make myself any taller, so I work on keeping my weight in check so I don't have as much to carry down the road. It's called the power-to-weight ratio. You see it everyday when a 4 cylinder 150HP Honda takes off from a red light, leaving a V8 300HP SUV lumbering behind. |
2009-08-17 10:45 AM in reply to: #2353042 |
Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? My origional point is absolutly lost... but this is still a great thread and a great community! |
2009-08-17 11:01 AM in reply to: #2352819 |
Master 1641 Seattle, California | Subject: RE: Handicaped by size? lisac957 - 2009-08-17 7:33 AM Global - 2009-08-17 9:24 AM I wouldn't over think it. There are crazy fast people of all shapes and sizes. I think mentally believing that you are at a disadvantage due to this will affect your performance more then anything else. Just forget about it and train hard. Why doesn't anyone say stuff like this in the clydesdale threads (without getting the virtual stink eye)? Honestly curious. I hope I wouldn't get the stink eye for that comment. I mean I'm 220 pounds and I know it's holding me back. I also know that dwelling on that fact doesn't get me anywhere either so I forget about it and train. Eventually the weight will disappear. |
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