Running a compact crank on a tri bike (Page 3)
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2010-11-05 1:59 PM in reply to: #3197174 |
Member 57 Mississauga | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike GLC1968 - 2010-11-05 12:21 PM Actually, with 650's and a 90rpm (my average), that puts me at about 28.4 mph according to the calculators and yes...I can do that or faster easy enough (yes, in the drops). I don't maintain it for more than 10-20 minutes at a time yet (except in a paceline), but I'd hate to be in a race and be limited by my bike. You are right that if I work on my cadence, I can do better...but this is just giving me an initial guideline so that I can choose the right combination for my new bike. A 50-11 combo gets me 5 more gear inches and a 29.8 mph speed. The 53-12 is still only 2 gear inches better than the original combo and a 29.0 mph speed. Frankly, I was surprized at how large a difference the 650's made compared to 700. I should have looked at this a long time ago! Since you can hold 30mph on a flat, no tail wind, for 20 minutes on a road bike, why are we having this discussion at all. Standard crank |
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2010-11-05 2:11 PM in reply to: #3197358 |
Master 1366 PNW | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike Just so that we are clear - I'm talking about a 10 minute sprint on the flats here...I'm not saying that I can maintain a 28 mph average for a 40 mile ride! |
2010-11-05 2:18 PM in reply to: #3194786 |
Master 1366 PNW | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike Can I retract my original 10 - 20 min estimate? I don't think I'm *that* fast, so you guys got me thinking. It's probably for less time than that... I have never timed it, but based on distance, the roads I'm thinking about are not long enough for 20 minutes to be correct. It's probably more like 5 - 10 minutes (but it *feels* like 20 ). |
2010-11-05 2:30 PM in reply to: #3197506 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike GLC1968 - 2010-11-05 3:18 PM Can I retract my original 10 - 20 min estimate? I don't think I'm *that* fast, so you guys got me thinking. It's probably for less time than that... I have never timed it, but based on distance, the roads I'm thinking about are not long enough for 20 minutes to be correct. It's probably more like 5 - 10 minutes (but it *feels* like 20 ). Retracting might be a good idea. Even 5-10 min at those speeds on a truly flat road are highly unlikely. I'm not at all saying that you won't be fine with a standard crank in your set-up. Just questioning the amount of "spinning out" you really come across. Most people grossly overestimate how big an impact that has because sustaining the speeds where it really matters requires substantial power. Dave's rule-of-thumb seems like a pretty good one. And if you were putting out that kind of power, you would be among the top overall bike splits in almost any race you do. You would leave most riding partners panting to even hang onto your wheel. Like I said earlier, you wouldn't need a power meter to know it. |
2010-11-05 3:06 PM in reply to: #3194786 |
Master 1366 PNW | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike 5 - 10 minutes doesn't seem all that unbelieveable to me. And yes, when I do it, I do tend to leave my riding partners behind (depending on who I'm riding with). This, of course, gives me an opportunity to rest while they catch up...so maybe it's not as remarkable as it sounds. But anyway, when using the 'do you use all your gears' gauge, either a standard crankset or an 11-23 cassette still makes sense for me. On my road bike, I've never been short gears on the low end for normal training rides. I have gone over the top in a couple of different situations, so it makes sense that on a bike that will be dedicated to racing, taller gears will be more useful than smaller ones. Both the math and my inutuitve sense both tell me this. |
2010-11-05 6:34 PM in reply to: #3197629 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike GLC1968 - 2010-11-05 4:06 PM 5 - 10 minutes doesn't seem all that unbelieveable to me. And yes, when I do it, I do tend to leave my riding partners behind (depending on who I'm riding with). This, of course, gives me an opportunity to rest while they catch up...so maybe it's not as remarkable as it sounds. If you could really do this you would be riding 40k TT in well under an hour. Not impossible, again, but a pretty solid cycling achievement. Just be happy with your gearing selection and call it a day. |
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2010-11-05 7:30 PM in reply to: #3195317 |
Extreme Veteran 821 | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike UWMadTri - 2010-11-04 2:25 PM I've personally found that compact cranks leave me spinning out on descents and with plenty of gears on the cassette for the worst (read:best) climbs that I encounter. My typical cadence is around 90-95 and my power numbers are well within my FTP ranges. Here's a nifty calculator that lets you toy around with some gearings with the related speed output. http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.sherman/shift.html x2 I did exactly the same and I never look back! |
2011-08-03 1:40 PM in reply to: #3194786 |
Member 57 Salt Lake City | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike I am looking to switch my tri bike to a compact crank. i have right now a truvativ elita 53/39 and i live in salt lake city utah i do alot of hill training and i feel the compact would help me get the cadence i see the cyclist that are passing me while im pounding on my pedals on a 12 to 15% climb.. i hate it. Never have done a swap like this so any advice anyone can give out would be nice.. thanks. |
2011-08-03 3:52 PM in reply to: #3194786 |
Master 1433 Calgary, AB | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike I have a compact (came stock with Cervelo P2-SLs which should tell you something) and a 12/27. Not even close to wishing I had more upper gears.
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2011-08-03 4:16 PM in reply to: #3197629 |
Extreme Veteran 528 Severna Park, MD | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike GLC1968 - 2010-11-05 4:06 PM 5 - 10 minutes doesn't seem all that unbelieveable to me. And yes, when I do it, I do tend to leave my riding partners behind (depending on who I'm riding with). This, of course, gives me an opportunity to rest while they catch up...so maybe it's not as remarkable as it sounds. But anyway, when using the 'do you use all your gears' gauge, either a standard crankset or an 11-23 cassette still makes sense for me. On my road bike, I've never been short gears on the low end for normal training rides. I have gone over the top in a couple of different situations, so it makes sense that on a bike that will be dedicated to racing, taller gears will be more useful than smaller ones. Both the math and my inutuitve sense both tell me this.
good lord.... 5-10 minutes at that speed would win you just abount every race around here.... What I mean is if you could hold 28 mph for 10 minutes, I assume you could hold say...26 mph for a solid 20, or over 25 mph easily for 20k (sub 30 minutes). I ussually am in the top 4-5% on the bike.... I ride a compact and a 12-25, and only average around 24 mph... and thats for the dudes. Not to come off as snobbish... but... did you calibrate your bike computer? Most of them are defaulted for 700c wheels... Just a thought. Oh and on the cassette side, I dont spin out a 50-11 on my road bike unless I am bombing downhill. I can only sustain the sprint for about a 30 seconds to a minute, and that puts me up at around 40 mph. If you did. Congrats, you have become one of the fastest people I have ever met. Awesome! |
2011-08-03 4:46 PM in reply to: #3194786 |
NH | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike Threads like this make me think there's either a lot of funky math going on or I'm the very slowest biker in North America. |
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2011-08-03 6:34 PM in reply to: #3197125 |
Member 591 | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike dalessit - 2010-11-05 10:09 AM It's always good to have a few cassettes of different configurations around. It's a lot cheaper to get the gears you need by picking up a $75 cassette vs. picking up a new double or compact. Changing your cassette out takes about 5 minutes and for me, most of that time is spent figuring out where I left my tools. Totally agree. And for those without the bankroll to have a few cassettes: 53/39 and 11/28. Plenty of high end and low end unless you're talking crazy hills and decents. I miss some gears now and then, but not often. |
2011-08-03 11:22 PM in reply to: #3194786 |
Member 175 Indianapolis | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike 50/38 with an 11-23. |
2011-08-04 5:37 AM in reply to: #3194786 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike A have a compact on my tri bike (actually same crank for both my road bike and tri bike since I'm using a Quarq) and it hasn't stopped me from having some pretty decent bike splits. Last tri, I went from 264 (our of 289) after the swim (yes, I truly can't swim) to 39th after the bike... 50/36 with 11/23 cassette. I would say for most, a compact is more than enough gearing.... it will help you keep a good cadence during the race as well |
2011-08-04 6:44 AM in reply to: #3194786 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Running a compact crank on a tri bike [Hijack] Anyone know if the crankset on a 2008 Cervelo Soloist Team and a 2008 P3 are compatible enough that I could just swap them? My road bike has 50/34 compact crank and the P3 has a 53/39 and if possible, I'd be interested in swapping them. I probably need to provide more information to answer this properly don't I...... [/Hijack] |
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