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2011-04-04 7:20 AM
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I haven't done solo swimming but I plan on doing it this summer. I also plan on buying one of these.

Swim Safety Device

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2011-04-04 7:28 AM
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swimsafe is a good idea, and if I remember correctly it is allowed in ironman.

I use a noodle when I solo ows, went to target and found one for a few bucks and bought a surfboard leash, attached the two and you now have a bright red something floating behind you and a flotation helper if you need it. Between a wetsuit and the noodle you should be pretty buoyant.

 

2011-04-04 7:37 AM
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I do solos all the time.  And truth be told, even when our tri club does our group swims on Wed night it would be sooooo easy for someone to get in trouble and no one notice because everyone is swimming at different paces, etc and we get all scattered out for the 0.4 mi distance from shore to shore on the part of the lake we swim on.
2011-04-04 7:56 AM
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I've been struggling with this myself. We have a small private 100 acre pond/lake in our development. Boats are not a problem as we don't allow motors on the pond, but it is very secluded (just the 10 houses in our development have access.) I'm thinking of setting up a triangle of buoys with 100m legs or a 100m leg parallel to shore and maybe towing something. I have some time to think about it, however, since we still have a good 3-4" of ice.
2011-04-04 8:34 AM
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Define solo. I swim "alone" sometimes, as in no one with me personally, but there are other people around. Unless someone is right there with you in a boat there is little anyone can do from the water. My wife will kayak along with me sometimes and I feel safer with her there than I do in a race or in a group swim.
2011-04-04 8:40 AM
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You could also consider a lifeguard can.  Buoyancy and visibility.

http://www.thelifeguardstore.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=2143&idcategory=1167

 



2011-04-04 8:44 AM
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I do it, I aslo fish the same area I swim.  So thats unnerving sometimes as I know what is in the area
2011-04-04 8:46 AM
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I have no problem doing OWS solo.  With my wet suit on, I can just lay on my back and float if I cramp.  I swim in the Mississippi about 20 yards from shore to avoid the boat traffic.  IMO driving in your car to the beach or whatever is more dangerous than doing the solo swim. 
2011-04-04 8:48 AM
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I do it, but stay close to the shore and make sure an carry a gun with me.
2011-04-04 9:00 AM
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I do solo OWS very frequently, but I have almost an ideal place to do them. A friend of mine has a private lake that he setup for water skiing. It is only 200 yards wide, but is over half a mile long. He has bouys set every 200 yds along the shore to mark where it gets shallow (less then 5') which is a 10 - 15' from shore. I swim using the bouys for sighting. I swim at 6 AM at least once a week. There are no boats to worry about. I can stand up and walk out of the water if I need would ever arise.

If I do an OWS any place else, I have a friend (fellow triathlete) paddle along side in a kayak. I swap Positions so he can get his swim in as well.
2011-04-04 9:13 AM
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I ows swim solo at our lake cabin all the time, usually with a wetsuit.  It is a smaller lake with minimal boat traffic and I just swim close to shore in water 3 - 5 feet deep mostly.  I have done a few solo ocean swims as well while on vacation with no problem, although my nerves were a bit more on edge! 

I agree that having fellow swimmers with you provides little real help in case of an emergency as one can slip below the surface and inhale water so fast that unless your fellow swimmers are watching you whole time and have good lifeguarding skills, you are pretty much on your own.  Towing a noodle or something sounds like a good idea, and having someone follow you in a boat or on a board is a great option of course.  Towing a noodle AND having someone follow you is the best of both worlds, but a luxury that I will never see I'm sure.  If I were a weak swimmer and unsure of my ability, going solo ows would be much more of a concern and I'd probably stay in a pool or swim with the above precautions until I was more confidant.



2011-04-04 10:07 AM
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I do it but swim with a lifeguard torpedo bouy.  Acts as a flag to boaters as they are used to looking for red bouys and also as a life preserver if in trouble.

2011-04-04 10:34 AM
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No.

Even G.I. Jane knows this: Two is one, one is none. Always operate with back up.

Never; I say again; NEVER do an open water swim by yourself. It simply isn't worth the risk.

Would you skydive without a reserve parachute? It is exactly the same thing. Exactly.

About a year or two ago Outside magazine did an article on either a N.O.L.S. (National Outdoor Leadership School) or Outward Bound class where one female drowned in knee deep water crossing a river.

Many accidental drownings never make the news, or at least, not the national news.

The bottom line is the marine/maritime environment is inherently unforgiving. Mistakes are punished very harshly. Luck is rare or non-existent. Death is common. If you get yourself in even a minor mishap it can rapidly spiral out of control to be a serious incident or accident.

Don't take the chance. Never swim alone. I think you already knew this Sir- you simply needed the reminded we all do from time to time.

2011-04-04 11:18 AM
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Really though, if I am swimming with someone and trailing them by a few feet and get into trouble, how are they going to know it?  I could swallow water, panic, breath in more water and sink like a stone in a matter of seconds.  People drown all the time while in the midst of other people.

I am not advocating swimming alone, just saying swimming with a partner may not help you depending on circumstances.  I would rather be alone in shallow water where I can stand up if I got a cramp or into some kind of trouble than with a partner in deep water...



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2011-04-04 11:39 AM
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ejshowers - 2011-04-04 12:18 PM

Really though, if I am swimming with someone and trailing them by a few feet and get into trouble, how are they going to know it?  I could swallow water, panic, breath in more water and sink like a stone in a matter of seconds.  People drown all the time while in the midst of other people.

I am not advocating swimming alone, just saying swimming with a partner may not help you depending on circumstances.  I would rather be alone in shallow water where I can stand up if I got a cramp or into some kind of trouble than with a partner in deep water...

 

Generally speaking, I know this has  happened, but am I the only one who thinks.. "how could that be?"....especially if you are in a wetsuit.....even if you are just treading water or lying back you could float for a while with no problem...but I guess the mind plays tricks with you



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2011-04-04 11:46 AM
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Agreed.  Almost impossible to sink in a wetsuit.  Everyone should wear one!


2011-04-04 12:28 PM
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I'm actually lucky enough to have access to a river that is about 1/4 mile across with very little current and you can reach bottom almost the entire way, especially with little rain period.  Ill swim solo there but still wear a bright neon green cap just in case an small water craft are in the area. There are also floats you can take with you that help make it safer. 
2011-04-04 12:32 PM
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I do it all the time.  Seriously, what is someone swimming next you going to be able to do if something does go wrong?
2011-04-04 12:32 PM
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Nearly all my swiming is OW and alone
2011-04-04 12:42 PM
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OWS all the time in a lake with wetsuit or ocean without. I wear a swimsafw sometimes. If not really early, I tie a Mylar helium balloon to my waist - it reflects light and is quite visible.
2011-04-04 1:10 PM
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It isn't good form to directly disagree with other posters on a forum, especially since I'm new here, but Ladies and Gentlemen from the previous two replies, I'm going to respectfully take to task on this one, and reassert:

Never swim open water alone. Ever.

Here's why:

1. Firstly, posting on a forum is different than a casual conversation between you and I. WE (collectively) don't know who is reading- but we are writing. As such, we have some obligation (attornies and courts disagree on how much... now) for dispensing advice that won't cause or contribute to harm. Everyone reads this. We have no calibration of their experience.

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2. Even elite military units like Special Warfare Combatant Craft Crewman (SWCCC), Naval Special Warfare (SEALs), Army Special Forces, Coast Guard rescue units and Marine DET and reconnaissance units do not operate in the water without a partner. Two is one, one is none. No swim buddy, no swim.

3. Well, there are exceptions... right? Eddie Aikau was one of the greatest "Watermen" who every lived: Champion Surfer, fisherman, swimmer, stand up paddler, outrigger canoe expert, native Hawaiian. He died at sea paddling by himself while trying to assist in the rescue of a stranded catamarran at sea. He had a paddleboard and was less than 12 miles off shore. To a man like Aikau who routinely paddled between Hawaiian Islands in various endurance events, this was a 10K run to you or I: no big deal. They never found him.

Can you swim open water alone? Let's say, 1,000 times in a row without incident? Maybe- probably... It's that random day in there when a thunderstorm comes up, an odd current, a dangerous marine animal, a drunk jet skier, a big boat...

And, finally, as for the ballons people tow with them when they swim: I've had more jet skiers and boats come over to me towing a bouy- even with more than 10 swimmers that avoid me just to see what it was. When I looked up one guy was like, "Whoa, I thought is was an airplane or something so I came right over here. Almost ran me over."

I respect the previous posters experience and significance, but I, in my opinion, do not- under any circumstances short of a boat sinking at sea (and even then you're safer to stay with the wreckage) ever recommend open water swimming alone. My opinion is that it is neither safe nor responsible.

-Just my opinion. Sealed



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I have only skimmed through about ten of the responses ---- and looked a bit more carefully at Tom's above (hard to miss!). I will add my own situation, even though it probably overlaps with many of the accounts here already.

From mid/late-May to mid-Occtober, i only swim open water, and do them all alone. Last year I did 70 OWS -- a number when, as I just counted them, surprised me. I do virtually all of them in a wetsuit, and I have two primary "swimming holes" -- a semi-protected bay in the St. Lawrence River, and a stretch of the Rideau River south of Ottawa. The only* precaution I take is a bright swim cap.

I am NOT bragging about any of this, or dismissing in the least any of the anti- arguments that have been posted. I am well aware that I am engaging in "risky" behavior, but as other posters have said, if I didn't do it alone it wouldn't get done. I live out in the boonies, and neither belong to a club nor have a single training partner.

I recognize this as a problem, and as I have been doing it since 2000, it's one that has neither gone away nor has an easy solution. I never approach the open water swims in a cavalier fashion......but I just do them because it seems they need to get done. Beyond that is the fact that I love swimming open water, and it's the highlight of my training. It's just a shame that I can't quite fully enjoy it, being aware of the potential dangers.

To all those who have posted AGAINST solo OWS -- thank you for bringing forth all the common-sense arguments that all of us should be aware of when we hit the river, lake, beach, or bay alone.



* I also nowadays try to avoid rough water. In my early years in tri I swam in just about anything, and in hindsight I took some big risks in especially gnarly conditions. Now, though, I've been there and done that and know how to approach and handle rough race-day swims, so if the water is rough when I get to the site.....I do a run instead.




2011-04-04 1:41 PM
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Just wanted to add that I NEVER swim with a pistol
2011-04-04 1:44 PM
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This is very location dependent. There are certainly areas of open water, be that a lake, river, or ocean, where is can be very dangerous due to tides, current, water craft traffic, ect. There are also much more controlled environments like sheltered coves, small local ponds where it would be very safe. The Seal argument Tom is making I don't think is very applicable with all due respect, the nature of what they are doing and training for with lot's of gear and jumping out of helicopters nto tyhe ocean sounds pretty risky to me!
I swim alone at Butcher Jones cove in Lake Saguaro. It's a large cove and I stay within the 5mph buoys which form a 600 yard rectangle. I go during the week in the afternoon, so boat traffic is next to nothing and the boats that do come in are easy to hear in the water, the sound carries very far. There is also a lot of shore line nearby and usually people relaxing on the beach and people along the banks fishing. I find it a very safe environment to swim aloe.
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