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2011-06-20 9:05 AM

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Subject: Would you have scolded me?
At my tri this weekend, there were wooden box type bike racks which were pretty narrow. I set up my transition with my bike headed south. The girl next to me set up her run stuff on the north(rear) of my bike. When I came off the bike, I changed the direction of my bike to north-so my front wheel was beside her run stuff. Apparently, my front wheel turned towards her run stuff and blocked it. After the race was over, she practically screamed at me about my bike blocking her run stuff and how it was no fun for her and blah, blah, blah. I apologized, said I had no idea, and apologized again.

So, would you have scolded me or would you have accepted what I did as part of racing and moved on?


2011-06-20 9:07 AM
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I wouldn't have said anything. To me, it isn't a big deal. If I lost an extra 5 seconds in the transition area dealing with it I'd just do an extra 5 second effort out on the course or rationalize it was a condition of the event.

Ultimately, we all have to get along in a crowded sport. Smile

2011-06-20 9:11 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
You're THAT guy.
2011-06-20 9:38 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
Really? The pettyness never amazes me. You're supposed to remember this while hypoxic and concentrating on getting out of transition ASAP? Let's all get along here, OK?

If you want a private transition area, be prepared to pay for it.
2011-06-20 9:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
Some people always need some one else to blame...
2011-06-20 9:52 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
Are you talking about racks like these?



While I wouldn't have scolded you or even said anything, based on your description, I believe you actually comitted a rules violation.

Shane


2011-06-20 9:53 AM
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2011-06-20 9:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?

My first tri ever I got yelled at by a guy right after I got out of my truck. Apparently, the left side tires of my truck were on the line defining the parking spot. He was ranting and raving about it being crowded and how rude it was to take the extra room. Had he asked I would have moved the truck but after the tirade I opted to leave it. After his tirade I almost got in the truck and left. Glad I didn't.

Every race has a person or two that needs to nit pick the unimportant stuff. I just ignore them now and hope to beat them on the course.

2011-06-20 10:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
gsmacleod - 2011-06-20 9:52 AM

Are you talking about racks like these?



While I wouldn't have scolded you or even said anything, based on your description, I believe you actually comitted a rules violation.

Shane


Racks were similar to those. What was the violation? Changing the direction of the bike? Not all bikes were pointed in one direction to begin with.
2011-06-20 10:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
tkos - 2011-06-20 8:53 AM

Transitions are crowded. things happen. Don't worry. This was a person who was having a bad day hopefully and will get over it.



I agree. Buddy probably regretted it later.
2011-06-20 10:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
Did it mention anywhere in the race material about positioning your bike? The races I do normally have each bike alternating the way they face but then again they don't use the wooden blocks.  From the picture it doesn't look like the bikes alternate either.  If it didn't specify then I don't think you'd be in violation. Either way I wouldn't have said anything to you but some people will always find something to gripe about.


2011-06-20 10:18 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?

http://assets.teamusa.org/assets/documents/attached_file/filename/28818/usatcr.pdf

 

I don't know what your rules violation would have been, maybe obstruction?

If there was a super-technical violation, one could argue that she technically broke the unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

Here are the Transition Rules for USAT.

Of course, there may be race specific rules also.

Article VII Transition Area Conduct
7.1 Entering and Exiting. A participant must reduce cycling speed to an acceptable and safe level when exiting and entering the transition area. Failure to do so shall result in a variable time penalty.
7.2 Placement of Equipment. All participants shall place equipment only in the properly designated and individually assigned bicycle corral and shall at all time keep their equipment confined to such properly designated areas. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable time penalty.
7.3 Bicycle Placement. All participants must return their bicycles to an upright position in the properly designated bicycle corral after completion of the cycling course and before beginning the next segment of the event. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable time penalty.
7.4 Obstruction and Interference. No participant shall impede the forward progress of another participant or interfere with another participant's equipment while in the transition area. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable time penalty, unless such obstruction or interference renders another participant unable to complete the event, in which case the penalty shall be disqualification.
7.5 Glass Containers. Any participant who brings any glass container into the transition area shall be disqualified.

2011-06-20 10:21 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
Pics of the transition at the bottom of the page on this link...

http://www.backprint.com/lost_photos.asp?PID=bp%18z%40&EVENTID=6915...

As you can see, there is no organization to the setup.

I guess I shouldn't have changed the position of my bike, but I was very surprised about the scolding. Part of me wanted to say, "Damn, move my wheel out of the way and go on!"

A couple of other interesting points: She wound up winning her age group despite the supposed awful T2.
I saw her on the run course and I said, "Good job!" She glared a hole through me. I wondered why, and I found out later.
2011-06-20 10:24 AM
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2011-06-20 10:34 AM
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I just don't understand why you would rack your bike differently when you came back than before you left? 

It sounds like a) You got lazy re-racking your bike b)it affected somebody else  c) They let you know.  and D) You are coming to the internet for support.

Next time, just rack your bike the same way you had it racked originally.  Take your own 5 seconds to prevent creating an inconsistent race environment.

2011-06-20 10:47 AM
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lifejustice - 2011-06-20 10:34 AM

I just don't understand why you would rack your bike differently when you came back than before you left? 

It sounds like a) You got lazy re-racking your bike b)it affected somebody else  c) They let you know.  and D) You are coming to the internet for support.

Next time, just rack your bike the same way you had it racked originally.  Take your own 5 seconds to prevent creating an inconsistent race environment.



Here's why I racked it differently....
T1 exit was southbound, T2 entrance was northbound, T2 exit was northbound.
The way the transition was set up, the bike in and out were the same. So, I racked my bike south pointed out of the transition from T1. When coming in from the bike, I was traveling in the opposite direction, so I racked my bike north pointed out of the transition from T2 towards the run out.

I am not looking for support. I'm looking for opinions. That's kind of what internet forums are for. I never said whether I was right or wrong.

You're right, next time I should rack the bike the same way.

Edited by stateu 2011-06-20 10:48 AM


2011-06-20 11:00 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?

Your response- "Life's a and so are you."

Some folks take this stuff too seriously.   Stuff like that is a part of racing.  If your wheel ruined the race for her she has bigger problems.

2011-06-20 11:07 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
So from the pic it looks like you still have a wheel touching the ground. I believe its USAT rule that you position your transition stuff by the wheel that touches the ground and all bikes need to be alternating...

I wouldn't have yelled at anyone, but I do get annoyed during transition set up when everyone ignores the rules and face their bike in the same direction. I tell people, politely and with a smile that they need to alternate bike racking and place their stuff by the wheel that touches the ground.

So to answer your question - absolutely not would I have scolded you rudely!

***EDITED bc I misunderstood the original post. Yes I would have been ticked off but not said anything... you need to rack your bike in T2 the same way it was racked bc of the transition set ups.

Edited by MommyBelly 2011-06-20 11:09 AM
2011-06-20 11:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
stateu - 2011-06-20 12:08 PM

Racks were similar to those. What was the violation? Changing the direction of the bike? Not all bikes were pointed in one direction to begin with.


From the USAT most commonly violated rules:

4. Transition Area:
All equipment must be placed in the properly designated and individually assigned bike corral. The wheel of the bicycle must be down on the side of the assigned space. All participants must return their bicycles to an upright position in their designated bicycle corral.


Normally with a bike rack, one wheel is off the ground and the other is down on your side of the rack. In the case of these racks, the wheel that isn't in the rack would be considered the down wheel (IMO) which means that reversing the direction would be in violation of the rule.

When I've done races with this type of rack, they have been very clear that bikes need to alternate within the rack and that your side is the side where the wheel is on the ground.

Shane

2011-06-20 11:33 AM
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MommyBelly - 2011-06-20 6:07 AM So from the pic it looks like you still have a wheel touching the ground. I believe its USAT rule that you position your transition stuff by the wheel that touches the ground...

I think I have heard this rule before...not sure if it's USAT.  Meaning even when you are setting up your transition before the race...you are not supposed to put your transition things on the opposite side of the wheel that is touching the ground (or the wheel that is not touching the rack).

Would I have yelled at you...no.  Would I have mentioned something after the race...maybe.  I'm not sure if what you did was an actual rules violation...but if everyone did what you did...transition would not be a fun place.  Now you know that what you did could "possibly" upset someone else on the other side of the rack...so try not to do it again.  Don't dwell on it...we all do silly things that will upset others from time to time.

2011-06-20 11:40 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
While I wouldn't have said anything rudely but to put it bluntly you racked your bike in a way that was most convenient for you but in doing so you created an inconvenience for another person.  I would have pointed it out to you after the race so you realized that what you did inconvenienced me.  I understand this is just fun for many of us but everyone also deserves the chance for a fair race and while slight it did create an unfairness to her. 


2011-06-20 11:42 AM
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Now I'm sort of confused... so at my race this weekend, I was just following others. first one for me so I didn't know. At first I set up my stuff next to my bike... but then it got crowded and the anouncer said 8 bikes to a rack... so then, anlong with the others.... my stuff was under my bike on the side the wheel was up. So everyone was had the seat on the rack, front wheel down and all their stuff under the rear wheel.

So why does it say in the rules your stuff should be on the side the wheel is down?

2011-06-20 11:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?

I would not have scolded you.

Transitions are often a mess and folks do weird things...part of the race.I've found shoes, wetsuits and all sorts of stuff blocking my way. Bikes in wrong spot often occurs.

After the race, I may have mentioned something to you after asking how your race went but not like the chick did at your race.

Sounds like RD didn't explain it clearly about position of the bike. Some races, the USAT officials go around and correct bikes racked incorrectly and educate folks. Other races it is much more chaotic.

She sounds like a hyper competitive rhythms with witch. Let it go....most importantly did you have fun?

2011-06-20 12:02 PM
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lifejustice - 2011-06-20 11:34 AM

I just don't understand why you would rack your bike differently when you came back than before you left? 

It sounds like a) You got lazy re-racking your bike b)it affected somebody else  c) They let you know.  and D) You are coming to the internet for support.

Next time, just rack your bike the same way you had it racked originally.  Take your own 5 seconds to prevent creating an inconsistent race environment.

2011-06-20 12:03 PM
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Subject: RE: Would you have scolded me?
lifejustice - 2011-06-20 10:34 AM

I just don't understand why you would rack your bike differently when you came back than before you left? 

It sounds like a) You got lazy re-racking your bike b)it affected somebody else  c) They let you know.  and D) You are coming to the internet for support.

Next time, just rack your bike the same way you had it racked originally.  Take your own 5 seconds to prevent creating an inconsistent race environment.

you mean most people rack the bike the same way everytime they go back to T2.  I learn something new everyday! 

I do not understand how the OP's wheel was cover the running gear.  Why would you put your running gear so far deep where someones wheel could block it? 

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