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2006-03-25 12:58 PM

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Subject: Evening Training.
Just curious, but I've noticed if I train after 6 at night and into 7 or 8, I can't get to sleep. I get real agitated around 11:00 and usually can't fall asleep till 1:00 or 2:00. Is anyone else have this. I figure I'm going to have to become a morning person I thought after a good long 2 hour workout the body would be ready to shut down, but while the couch feels good after my workout, I just can't get sleep. Whad up???


2006-03-25 3:55 PM
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Yeah, you better switch to mornings, kid. I did a 13-mile run last night at 10 pm, got back at midnight, and didn't fall asleep until 4 am.

So, it's 1:53 pm here and I just decided to wake up, realizing now that my Saturday schedule is ruined. So don't you be like me!

Earlier in my training, I instituted a no-training-after-9-pm rule that worked pretty well. At that time my bedtime was 12 am. So, I guess that means you need to give yourself at least a 3-hour buffer between when you stop your workout and when you want to sleep.
2006-03-25 4:01 PM
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Have NO PROBLEM falling asleep after evening training as evening training is about all I have time for at the moment. 

I'm kinda like the cartoon charater Beetle Baily.....I can fall asleep as soon has my head hits the pillow.  My wife as actually heard me hit the heavy breathing (almost snoring) within minutes.  It's a GIFT!! 

2006-03-25 4:22 PM
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I think everyone's body reacts differently.  I am another one that has no problems falling asleep.  I can run 3 miles at 9pm and be sound asleep within an hour of finishing.  The sleep anywhere/anytime bit I learned in college when I had to pull all night shifts at the vet hospital.

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2006-03-25 4:22 PM
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I have no problem falling asleep after a workout... I think its a individual thing.
2006-03-25 4:54 PM
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If I warm down and then take a hot shower I usually fall asleep very easily. I think it depends on how much sleep you are getting overall as well. With a one year old son and my job demeands, I routinely only get 6 hours sleep. So when I sleep I really sleep! If I go hard and then just shower quick and try to sleep it's harder.


2006-03-25 5:04 PM
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I believe I've always been like this, but I'm really seeing it now. With job duties, husband duties, dad duties then whatever's left to train, I already don't get enought sleep. I just thought that after a hard couple of hours training I would feel sacked, but instead I could probably read the preface to "War and Peace" and still be bright eyed and bushy tailed. This has happened about everytime I do this, so I'm gonna have to just change. That really bites. I love hitting my alarm clock then sleeping for another 15..20...30...45 minutes.
2006-03-25 6:40 PM
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Tom, don't fret you aren't alone. I can not be working out past 8pm or I can't sleep because the endorphins are running around in my system. Even something as simple as walk can keep me up. Sometimes I can get to sleep, but I can't stay asleep. I do find warm shower helps if I must do a big workout in the evening. If you just started training in the evenings, you could find you get used to it over time. Or you can switch it up and train in the morning or over your lunch hour.
2006-03-25 7:39 PM
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If you work out late at night, do you wake up the next day really...skinny? I lose like 3 or 4 pounds during the night after a late workout, and it makes it really hard to get moving the next morning.

I think even if you can fall asleep right away, you shouldn't, because you need enough time to fully recover. Even if you eat and drink a lot immediately after a workout, your body might still eat itself at night.
2006-03-25 8:46 PM
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Subject: RE: Evening Training.
For me, evening workouts are guaranteed insomnia. It's frustrating - I'd love to break up my workouts more and have more scheduling flexibility. But I just need to stick to early morning. Even something that one would think as relaxing - like an easy swim - keep me up.

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2006-03-25 8:55 PM
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I almost always sleep better after a good workout in the evening, probably because it gives me a chance to burn off all of the stresses of the day. If your body does not react well to evening workouts, you might be better off moving to mornings or lunch time...


2006-03-27 2:15 PM
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I have the same problem Tom. I break up my workout so I run at lunch time. You have to get used to going back to work a little sweaty but I don't sweat that much so it works for me. (at least until the heat of summer hits)I swim and bike at night because I am not a morning person either. But the insomnia, because of training and then eating late, is starting to get to me. I am one of those people that hit the snooze button repeatedly too. I think I can switch to morning workouts, I think I can, I think I can It is worth a try anyway.

If you can't, I think the warm shower might help, I take one after swimming and don't have any problem falling asleep those days, but the bicycling night are the worst. You probably don't do Yoga, but relaxation poses are good for winding down at night too.
2006-03-28 10:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Evening Training.
Guys, I know that I know better, but I've been working so hard this week that I haven't had time to work out. I get home late this evening and I didn't get to workout yesterday so guess what I did? You guessed it. 6:20 p.m. I start a 7 mile run. Finished at an 8:01 pace. PB by the way. Came home, ate som carbs, took 2 Sleepy Pills and I'm about to jump in the shower. I sure hope this works. I'll let you know. Damn I suck!
2006-03-29 7:32 AM
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Night went O.K. Went to slepp around 11:30. TOok HOT, HOT shower as recommended, but also took a couple of Sleepy times. I'm sure it was a combo of both. Thank goodness I went to sleep though. THanks for all the chat about this.
2006-03-29 7:58 AM
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Umm....you can't lose that kind of weight while you sleep short of peeing off a pound or two.  Where exactly would it go?

You should take in some kind of post workout nutrition and sleep when you feel like it.  You're going to digest what you take in and recover while you sleep.  Staying awake to "recover" is just going to interrupt your sleeping patterns and make recovery that much harder.

skavoovie - 2006-03-25 7:39 PM If you work out late at night, do you wake up the next day really...skinny? I lose like 3 or 4 pounds during the night after a late workout, and it makes it really hard to get moving the next morning. I think even if you can fall asleep right away, you shouldn't, because you need enough time to fully recover. Even if you eat and drink a lot immediately after a workout, your body might still eat itself at night.

2006-03-29 8:18 AM
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DerekL - 2006-03-29 6:58 AM

Umm....you can't lose that kind of weight while you sleep short of peeing off a pound or two. Where exactly would it go?

You should take in some kind of post workout nutrition and sleep when you feel like it. You're going to digest what you take in and recover while you sleep. Staying awake to "recover" is just going to interrupt your sleeping patterns and make recovery that much harder.

skavoovie - 2006-03-25 7:39 PM If you work out late at night, do you wake up the next day really...skinny? I lose like 3 or 4 pounds during the night after a late workout, and it makes it really hard to get moving the next morning. I think even if you can fall asleep right away, you shouldn't, because you need enough time to fully recover. Even if you eat and drink a lot immediately after a workout, your body might still eat itself at night.



Its called dehydration weight loss. The pounds come back after rehydration. Its like the other day when I was at the gym. A big guy was doing jump rope in the sauna. He probably had a big dehydration weight loss and then gets discouraged when the pounds come right back.


2006-03-29 8:19 AM
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My weight is always a good 2-3 pounds lighter in the morning. And I weigh myself after peeing right before bed. Working in the evening out has no effect on how much I lose during the night, though.
2006-03-29 8:30 AM
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My weight doesn't seem to budge one way or the other.
On the evening training, I love it. I'd rather run at night, but it's hard to motivate myself to hit the road when it's dark. (As long as I don't have caffeine after about 4 p.m., I sleep great). I've been adjusting my schedule to start getting up earlier. For me, it's all about when I go to bed at night (7-8 hours of sleep is pretty much mandatory). You might try going to bed earlier, if that's even a possibility.
2006-03-29 9:01 AM
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You're not getting dehydrated while you sleeping unless you're a sleep exerciser.  The water comes off the night before while you're training and not while you're sleeping.  If people weigh themselves before they go to bed, it's going to be the same weight as they are in the morning minus whatever you pee out at night.  The point is that you don't "lose weight" by just sitting there.

chile7473 - 2006-03-29 8:18 AM  Its called dehydration weight loss. The pounds come back after rehydration. Its like the other day when I was at the gym. A big guy was doing jump rope in the sauna. He probably had a big dehydration weight loss and then gets discouraged when the pounds come right back.

2006-03-29 9:03 AM
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That just doesn't make sense.  I'm not going to say it's not true because you're obviously the one doing the weighing and seeing the numbers.  It can't be anything but water weight.

sebjamesm - 2006-03-29 8:19 AM My weight is always a good 2-3 pounds lighter in the morning. And I weigh myself after peeing right before bed. Working in the evening out has no effect on how much I lose during the night, though.

2006-03-29 9:13 AM
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DerekL - 2006-03-29 9:01 AM

You're not getting dehydrated while you sleeping unless you're a sleep exerciser.  The water comes off the night before while you're training and not while you're sleeping.  If people weigh themselves before they go to bed, it's going to be the same weight as they are in the morning minus whatever you pee out at night.  The point is that you don't "lose weight" by just sitting there.

I have to disagree.  I typically loose 3 lbs overnight, but don't pee 48 oz when I wake up.  If I get more sleep (8 hrs), sometimes I loose 4 lbs.  Don't we loose water through breathing and drooling, as well?  Aren't our bodies reconstructing damaged tissue and undergoing other metabolic processes while we sleep?



2006-03-29 9:16 AM
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You can disagree if you'd like.  Makes the world go round.

The basic question is "Where does "weight" go?"  Sure, you're metabolically active during the night.  Less so than during the day, but it's a minor point.  And we do lose water/weight through respiration, but are you seriously going to suggest that you lose 3-4 lbs or water through respiration over 8 hours?  It just doesn't happen.  So where is all this weight going?

Like I said, it doesn't make sense.

wyecrab - 2006-03-29 9:13 AM

I have to disagree.  I typically loose 3 lbs overnight, but don't pee 48 oz when I wake up.  If I get more sleep (8 hrs), sometimes I loose 4 lbs.  Don't we loose water through breathing and drooling, as well?  Aren't our bodies reconstructing damaged tissue and undergoing other metabolic processes while we sleep?



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2006-03-29 9:34 AM
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As for being able to sleep at night after an evening workout...for me it is about getting my body into a routine and giving it time to adjust. This year, because of moving and schedule changing I started getting up at 5am to get in a morning workout (swimming or running) and then usually get in my second workout of the day (biking or running) somewhere between 8-10pm. It took a little time to get used to the routine but I can usually get to sleep a half hour or so after my workout is over. I used to be a real night owl so I was surprised that I could adjust...but it has worked for me.
2006-03-29 9:36 AM
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You DO lose weight while sleeping. And not all it is water weight. When we go to bed even with our glycogen store at full, we burn calories while we sleep, hence when we wake up we weight less. That’s why it is so important to eat something before working out in the AM as most of the time we wake up glycogen depleted even if we ate a lot before going to bed. Now, how much weight do you lose? I am sure it varies from person to person…



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2006-03-29 9:42 AM
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Ugh I did my workout later than usual and drank caffiene past noon. I had abad night last night. I was trying to start getting to bed sooner but now we have dylight savings time this weekend.

On the note of 'losing weight overnight' I believe it is dehydration. You are losing hydration through your skin as sweat. Your skin is a muscle to and it loses water constantly. You don't necessarily have to pee out the water.
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