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2011-12-07 4:51 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: How much $ and why La Tortuga - 2011-12-07 8:41 AM Was a the LBS and saw a tri bike for $9000.00. Really? If a better bike only adds 3-5% to your speed how can one justify that price? How much would you pay for a bike and why? (Disclaimer: I'm MOP kinda guy. Ride a Trek 1.1 roadie w/ clip on aeros and have to admit that my favorate part of a race is passing some dude on a $3000.00 bike) 3-5% faster? that's like 3min in a 56mi ride. 6min in an IM distance. If you're vying for a podium spot- I'd say that could be worth a few grand more.
But, to answer the original question. I spent $1700 on my road bike that I got last year. After sitting on the bottom step of a couple podiums (smaller races), I just sprung $3600 on a proper TT bike. That's more than I ever had intended to spend on a bike- but 1. I can afford it, and 2. I don't spend money on anything else for myself. It was one of those few treats in life. Heck- just the entry fees, travel and such for my last HIM cost me $1200. Boy was that a hoot of a time tho'. |
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2011-12-07 5:11 PM in reply to: #3930252 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: How much $ and why Fred D - 2011-12-07 2:53 PM lisac957 - 2011-12-07 5:48 PM I'm firmly in the "quit judging other people's purchases" camp. There is obviously some type of market for the $9K bike, who cares if the buyer is fast or slow, tall or short, newbie or KQer. Stuff like this screams of jealousy, which is not a good color on anyone. x2. My feelings exactly. Sometimes a question is just a question. People are actually curious what drives people to buy a $9000 bike and have no alternative motive behind it. Maybe they don't have that kind of money and can't fathom it and just want to understand. Might be nothing bad behind the question at all. We encourage kids to be curious but apprently not adults. Course, maybe the OP is jealous. Not really enough into if the original question for me to negatively judge that person though |
2011-12-07 5:14 PM in reply to: #3930267 |
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2011-12-07 6:55 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: How much $ and why I'm racking up bike mileage almost as fast as I do with the car. Therefore I should be investing near as much money in the bike as my car. |
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2011-12-07 7:26 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Member 591 | Subject: RE: How much $ and why How much should you spend on a bike? N+$1 where N is every cent of disposable income I have. If I execute my plan perfectly, my bank account will reach $0 on the same day I die. I guess that means the real question for me is not "how much" to spend on the bike, but rather, when to spend it. |
2011-12-07 7:34 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: How much $ and why I figure the $5k or so I've spent on the bike, wheels, etc., is a heck of a better investment than what I would have invested in therapy if I didn't have the stress relief! How can you beat 3-4+ hours out on the road for ironing out some of life's kinks? |
2011-12-07 9:02 PM in reply to: #3929809 |
Champion 7704 Williamston, Michigan | Subject: RE: How much $ and why Fastyellow - 2011-12-07 12:15 PM La Tortuga - 2011-12-07 8:41 AM Was a the LBS and saw a tri bike for $9000.00. Really? If a better bike only adds 3-5% to your speed how can one justify that price? How much would you pay for a bike and why? (Disclaimer: I'm MOP kinda guy. Ride a Trek 1.1 roadie w/ clip on aeros and have to admit that my favorate part of a race is passing some dude on a $3000.00 bike) Because for some people $9,000 doesn't need any justification. I was at Hermes in Las Vegas over the weekend and saw a hoody sweatshirt for $2,400....you honestly think someone who buys something like that is justifying how awesome that hoody sweatshirt is? If that amount of money is the difference between making your mortgage or not, then yeah, you better have some good justification behind a purchase that big....To some, it's dinner with a couple bottles of Screaming Eagle. exactly. Its all relative. I ride a bike that retailed for about $4000 that I got for 1/2 price on sale with some nice race wheels. No guilt. I AODRE my bike. Does it make a lot of difference in my performance.........well I am MUCH more comfortable. Loosing 30# would probably help me more but this is about what you can afford. IE: I took a LOT of slack for what I paid for a condo for IMFL because you absoulutely can get better deal somewhere else BUT I willing pay for a very NICE place (which is important to me ) AT THE VENUE, which is also important with 4 70+ year olds in tow. I make a nice living. The conferences I HAVE to go to I routinely drop MORE than TWICE what I pay per night for the IMFL condo for a HOTEL ROOM. I have limited vacation and IMFL is VACATION for me. I'd much rather pay a bit more (which is actually relatively cheep) for NICE, and CONVIENT. If you want to stay in a crappy place to save money God bless you but don't give me hard time about what I want to do and can afford to do. Same thing on the bike. |
2011-12-07 9:42 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Master 1686 Royersford, PA | Subject: RE: How much $ and why I think the only real question here is is it a violation to put a bike rack holding a $9K bike on an $85,000 Porsche? |
2011-12-07 9:43 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Expert 663 A little slice of paradise | Subject: RE: How much $ and why I upgraded to a Trek Speed Concept last year and spent what some people may term as a ridiculous amount for a bike, in addition to new Enve wheels . Why - many reasons it was time to upgrade, it was not out of my budget, I race several events a year and it has improved my bike times, I work hard and deserve it, married no kids and Ironman is my lifestyle, it is a comfortable ride, it fulfills my need for speed, and I am counting on using this bike to qualify for Race Across America. My road bike is a $1200 Trek raced my first Ironman on it, and brought home hardware at races wit it too ! The difference between the two bikes was taking 20 minutes off of a 4 hour ride on my new bike and that puts me on the podium. |
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2011-12-07 10:09 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Member 58 | Subject: RE: How much $ and why As a marketing guy I think this is a pretty interesting thread. I've studied some ways to push people's buy buttons. It's funny though, even though I know what goes into this sort of thing, I'm not immune.
That being said, I'm not the target market for a $9k bike. Certainly right now I can't afford one. If I was a gazillionaire would I get one? I don't think so.I would geel like a turd on a bike like that, just as I would feel like a turd swinging eight grand worth of golf clubs - they would be wasted at my talent level. I think in real terms I would probably end up with about $1500(ish) for a bike. I if had some serious surprise income I would probably max out around $3k.
Now with THAT being said - I've never ridden a 9k bike. It's theoretically possible that I would get warm and fuzzy enough to purchase it if it was within my means. It's like clothes - I used to think that $150 jeans were outrageous, and they kinda are. However once I lost 90 pounds I tried on a pair just to see what I looked like. There is a difference between good clothes and great clothes. Good clothes make you look great. Great clothes make you feel amazing. I would guess that's about the same difference between a $5k bike and a $9k bike. |
2011-12-07 10:26 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: How much $ and why I can't justify the bikes I have, yet I worked hard for them and really enjoy them. Difference between logic and emotions I guess... |
2011-12-07 11:12 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: How much $ and why This thread is almost dumb. As I said, I've got $6000.00 in my bike. I'm 52 years old, well past established in my career, house almost paid for, basically no debt on a family income well into 6 figures. Gimme a break.....I'm gonna spend my money on something.... might as well be a fairly cool/fast bike that I enjoy riding. If you can't afford it, keep working, it's almost an after thought here. I don't say that to be flippant..... I worked my arse off to be able to spend money on my toys. Additionally, I worked my arse off for over 3 decades to be able to compete decently when I do race. Good luck passing me....you best be hard at it most of the year, and for most of your life. I wish you the same. Edited by Left Brain 2011-12-07 11:15 PM |
2011-12-08 4:20 PM in reply to: #3930120 |
Expert 1263 Wendell, NC | Subject: RE: How much $ and why AtlantaBill - 2011-12-07 4:08 PM My $1500 bike was a WAY nicer ride than my $750 bike. My $3000 bike is a WAY nicer ride than my $1500 bike. Beyond $3000... not so much WAY nicer, at least the one's I've tested. Nicer yes, but not so much bang for the extra bucks. Beyond $3000 it's more about fashion. I never buy clothes for a fashionable label; more for fit, comfort, utility, then style. Yes, to a point, more expensive clothes fit better and last longer. I pieced my bike together from ebay and online parts for $2400, specs compare to a $3000 bike. Plus a $200 professional fitting. I enjoy my "expensive" bike more. It fits well. It works well. Doesn't have any annoying clicks or noises. It makes me happy every time I ride it and I ride it more. So I think there's some physical benefit there. Here's how I explained it to my wife (I borrowed this from a BT forum post): This is why adults play with expensive toys. The time we adults spend at play, is rare, very selfish and expensive time, when compared to time spent with family or making a living. As such, an improvement of the quality of that time, and the results of the time spent, is quite valuable. Nicely said. |
2011-12-08 4:22 PM in reply to: #3930129 |
Expert 1263 Wendell, NC | Subject: RE: How much $ and why Captain Morgan - 2011-12-07 4:14 PM Interesting thread...I ride a Felt S22, entry tri bike with Aluminum frame and carbon fork/seat post that I paid $1500 with pedals, etc. new. My training partner paid in the $3k range for his full carbon roadie with all the bells and whistles. We have very similar fitness levels but I'm faster whether going uphill, coasting downhill, flat, etc. I can't explain it other than to chalk it up to my black/red paint looks faster and therefore is..... Definately the RED |
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2011-12-08 4:31 PM in reply to: #3930267 |
Expert 1263 Wendell, NC | Subject: RE: How much $ and why bzgl40 - 2011-12-07 6:11 PM Fred D - 2011-12-07 2:53 PM lisac957 - 2011-12-07 5:48 PM I'm firmly in the "quit judging other people's purchases" camp. There is obviously some type of market for the $9K bike, who cares if the buyer is fast or slow, tall or short, newbie or KQer. Stuff like this screams of jealousy, which is not a good color on anyone. x2. My feelings exactly. Sometimes a question is just a question. People are actually curious what drives people to buy a $9000 bike and have no alternative motive behind it. Maybe they don't have that kind of money and can't fathom it and just want to understand. Might be nothing bad behind the question at all. We encourage kids to be curious but apprently not adults. Course, maybe the OP is jealous. Not really enough into if the original question for me to negatively judge that person though I'm Green w/ envy but mostly of my friend who's backpacking thru South America right now Yeah, basically I was wondering what motivates folks to spend all that jack on something. Having been raised by children of the depression, I'm tight as Dick's hatband. It has been a fun thread ya gotta admit. |
2011-12-08 4:32 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Master 2404 Redlands, CA | Subject: RE: How much $ and why I buy what I can afford to replace the next day, in case I total it. I'm a tight wad though, but I have no qualms with someone who rides a 10k bike, be it slow or fast. |
2011-12-08 4:34 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Subject: RE: How much $ and why As much as I want and because I can |
2011-12-08 4:44 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: How much $ and why The difference between a $9K tri bike and a $1.5K tri bike I doubt would make you 5% faster unless your position was significantly different and you had a lot of drag. I like my bikes and buy what we can afford. |
2011-12-08 4:59 PM in reply to: #3929588 |
Master 2621 Almaden Valley, San Jose, California | Subject: RE: How much $ and why But, wait! My IM bike was 394 minutes long. 5% faster is 19 minutes, right? Which would get me in right under my not-so-secret goal of an under-13 IM!! WHERE was this bike?!?
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2011-12-08 5:17 PM in reply to: #3931819 |
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2011-12-09 9:01 AM in reply to: #3929588 |
Extreme Veteran 373 | Subject: RE: How much $ and why There are $9000 bikes (enter any high end purchase here ______) so that when we spent $4000 or $5000 on a bicycle we feel like we stole than damn thing. |
2011-12-09 10:09 AM in reply to: #3929588 |
Master 1572 Baltimore | Subject: RE: How much $ and why http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/10000-bikes-whats-the-point-32350
Good article I read not too long ago. It talks about it more from a bike manufacturer's perspective, but it's sort of interesting nonetheless. |
2011-12-09 1:34 PM in reply to: #3931819 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: How much $ and why KathyG - 2011-12-08 2:44 PM The difference between a $9K tri bike and a $1.5K tri bike I doubt would make you 5% faster unless your position was significantly different and you had a lot of drag. I like my bikes and buy what we can afford. Ah, but it will make you 100% more awesome walking through transition.... |
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