Driver caught on Tape
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2011-12-14 9:19 AM |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: Driver caught on Tape Don't know if this has been posted before but an interesting story:
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/05/06/reckless-driving-caught-on-camera-by-cyclist/
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2011-12-14 11:43 AM in reply to: #3938021 |
Expert 758 Port Colborne, Ontario | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape The car was never that close to him. I was crowed way more than that in the past and never thought more of it. I doubt the charge will stick. |
2011-12-14 11:52 AM in reply to: #3938235 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape RVachon - 2011-12-14 11:43 AM The car was never that close to him. I was crowed way more than that in the past and never thought more of it. I doubt the charge will stick.
I agree it did not look that agregious and I've experienced worse but clearly they were out of line. It doesn't really matter if they are found guilty or if the charges are dismissed, it made the local news and hopefully someone saw it and will think twice before harassing a cyclist.
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2011-12-14 12:16 PM in reply to: #3938021 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape Hard to tell where the camera was mounted and the perspective it gives on film but it doesn't look like he was "as far over as possible" either. Looks like the car gave him plenty of room IMO. I think he's just pissed at whatever the passenger yelled at him. I'm all for road safety and the need for car drivers to respect cyclists, but frankly, I'm not buying the story that a pudgy cyclist with front and rear mounted cameras is simply out making a "training video". If he's out to document road rage then fine, nail the violators, but come clean with it. |
2011-12-14 12:19 PM in reply to: #3938021 |
Master 2759 Los Angeles, CA | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape It totally sucks that some motorists do this. Just yesterday, I got cut off by someone making a right turn! GRRRR! Good thing I looked over my shoulder before crossing just in time. =) |
2011-12-14 12:44 PM in reply to: #3938021 |
Master 2094 | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape I am really starting to think that wearing a video cam is a good thing for cyclist. It is concerning to me how anti-cycling some drivers behave. |
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2011-12-14 12:50 PM in reply to: #3938021 |
Expert 3145 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape Wow, it's amazing how sometimes, people's appearance really doesn't come as a surprise. Way to perpetuate stereotypes.
Didn't really look like he was in much danger but honestly, I don't care. These are exactly the type of hillbillies that deserve whatever comes their way as a result of this. Maybe next time they'll think twice about "just havin sum fun". Edited by thebigb 2011-12-14 12:50 PM |
2011-12-14 1:18 PM in reply to: #3938382 |
Champion 10018 , Minnesota | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape I think that while the guy yelling from the window as a jerk, and probably deserves a slap on the wrist, I don't think the car was too close or trying to get too close. In fact I am often concerned when drivers give me a "wide berth" (read: unnecessary) becasue I am not sure they look ahead and I don't want to be caught in that accident. She should request a jury trial because even as a cyclist I am not sure I could find her guilty. She could have spent more time/effort raising her son, though. I wouldn't consider behaving like that with my mom driving! |
2011-12-14 1:22 PM in reply to: #3938021 |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape It's nice to see the authorities side with a cyclist for a change, but the video really doesn't actually show how close the car was when they passed the bike. More states are going to the three foot rule, but it's hard to enforce unless a LEO actually witnesses it, or unless the rider actually gets hit. Mark |
2011-12-14 1:30 PM in reply to: #3938021 |
Expert 1203 | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape Hard to tell from the camera angle just how close the car was. The positive outcome is that some other would be moron is watching and thinking that perhaps harassing a cyclist might not be a good idea. The was "just havin sum fun" anyway. |
2011-12-14 5:40 PM in reply to: #3938449 |
Regular 139 Boise ID | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape RedCorvette - 2011-12-14 12:22 PM It's nice to see the authorities side with a cyclist for a change, but the video really doesn't actually show how close the car was when they passed the bike. More states are going to the three foot rule, but it's hard to enforce unless a LEO actually witnesses it, or unless the rider actually gets hit. Mark Whoa, Mark, why all the negativity? Please allow me to clarify a few things. First, police officers don’t take sides. There is a complainant and an accused – simple as that. In this case it is simply the cyclist against the driver. The officer is not involved. The officers just served the citation, and now the two parties battle it out in court. Therefore, it doesn’t matter if the officer saw the incident or not. Think about it. If there is a group of kids playing hockey on a neighborhood street and a car flies by at 50 mph narrowly missing several children do you throw your hands up and say, “Oh well, no cop witnessed it so there is nothing to enforce.” Unfortunately, too may cyclists do this very thing. Then they whine and complain about it to all of their friends or on message boards accomplishing nothing. Not the guy in the video – he took action just as anyone can who wants to speak up. This incident is easily enforceable and the video DOES show how close the car was. As the complainant, the cyclist is responsible for making his case that the lady broke the law. He should return to the scene and measure the width of the lane. Then he would use the video to see how far the left side tires were from the center line. Subtract that distance as well as the width of the car to get the remaining space left in the lane. Of course, he is well aware of what his own position was so there you have the distance the vehicle was from him as it passed. The video is then used to confirm this. Depending on the state, the specific distance may be irrelevant, but rather if they gave a “reasonable” distance. In my opinion, this driver was clearly not giving a reasonable distance – and you can compare them to a possible reasonable driver in the white suburban. Any cyclist can do this at any time the feel the law was broken. It would be nice if more cyclist did this and perhaps people would quit blaming police officers for not being omnipresent when in reality they don’t need to be there all the time for justice to happen. I used to routinely work with cyclists who had ongoing issues with drivers on particular routes. They knew they could call me anytime and if I wasn’t on duty I would get the nearest officer to help them out. When citizens and police officers work together good things can happen. On a side note: I became permanently disabled during the Ironman Boise 70.3 race in 2010 while chasing a reckless driver who drove onto the race course endangering the lives of several cyclists. I should have been racing that day, but instead decided to do my part and work the event instead. That day, as with any other day, I put my life on the line for anyone and everyone who need it. It just turned out that I came out on the short end that time. I will never race another triathlon again because I was there doing my job making sure those cyclists WOULD be able to race another day. I posted some of this on another thread, but thought it would be relevant here as well. |
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2011-12-14 6:13 PM in reply to: #3938235 |
Regular 694 Tucson, AZ | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape RVachon - 2011-12-14 11:43 AM The car was never that close to him. I was crowed way more than that in the past and never thought more of it. I doubt the charge will stick. In my experience the law is there to protect "intent". Regardless of whether the driver is 6 inches, 1 foot, 2 feet, 3 feet, or 5 feet the driver and passenger are there are to harasses. As a cyclist it give you little outs and you really have no idea what the driver might actually do. It can be extremely terrifying. I would hope you would see the wrong in the actions of the driver instead of trivializing them in regards to how much closer cars have got to you. |
2011-12-14 6:27 PM in reply to: #3938297 |
Regular 694 Tucson, AZ | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape Why would you even ? if he was "as far over as possible". He doesn't even have to be. When a lane is not wide enough for both a bike and car then the biker can take the full lane. Often times this is the safest thing to do. Accidents happen when a passing car tries to take over a bicyclist with an oncoming car either hitting the cyclist with the mirror or forcing the cyclist off the road. This is part of defensive bicycling. And who cares what his motive is with the cameras - it is never ok to harass anyone either verbally or physically and I hope you would agree. |
2011-12-14 11:31 PM in reply to: #3938021 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape They're all lying. He wasn't there to make a 'training video'. Give me a break. And the driver and her son know exactly what they did, and it is very clear that she was closer than necessary (compare the other passing vehicles) and that the a-hole son shouted at the cyclist. I have zero respect for any of them. Why didn't the cyclist just say that yes he has the cameras to catch jerks? The thing is, lying to reporters, while generally reprehensible, is not generally against the law. Unnecessarily endangering the lives of others and harassing them in the way that was very clearly done here is. They should all be ridiculed for lying. In addition, the driver and her son should also be charged with the violations that they quite clearly committed. |
2011-12-15 3:25 AM in reply to: #3938021 |
Extreme Veteran 612 England | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape I dont think the drivers actions alone qualify this as an attempt to intimidate. The passengers actions are idiotic though, I hope the charges against him stick.
Edited for grammar Edited by TriSte 2011-12-15 3:27 AM |
2011-12-15 6:57 AM in reply to: #3939116 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape Experior - 2011-12-15 12:31 AM They're all lying. He wasn't there to make a 'training video'. Give me a break. And the driver and her son know exactly what they did, and it is very clear that she was closer than necessary (compare the other passing vehicles) and that the a-hole son shouted at the cyclist. I have zero respect for any of them. Why didn't the cyclist just say that yes he has the cameras to catch jerks? The thing is, lying to reporters, while generally reprehensible, is not generally against the law. Unnecessarily endangering the lives of others and harassing them in the way that was very clearly done here is. They should all be ridiculed for lying. In addition, the driver and her son should also be charged with the violations that they quite clearly committed. I don't know... he could have been intending to capture video for training purposes, kind of like these: http://www.epicplanet.tv/catalog/index.html or many similar video rides on the market. The fact that he had 2 cameras going actually makes me think that may have been what he was doing. Edited by jsnowash 2011-12-15 7:00 AM |
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2011-12-15 7:03 AM in reply to: #3938021 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape Actually, a quick google search shows the cyclist, Paul Gallas, does in fact make indoor cycling videos, here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb5rBi_Jpns |
2011-12-15 7:13 AM in reply to: #3938021 |
Veteran 143 Waterloo, Ontario | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape I'm not buying the story that a pudgy cyclist with front and rear mounted cameras is simply out making a "training video". If he's out to document road rage then fine, nail the violators, but come clean with it It's a reasonable legal thing to do, whether you're fat or not - if you get hurt and the person that hits you drives away, you can prove it was them and get their insurance to pay out. Imagine in this instance that instead of an obscenity, the redneck shot a paintball gun or threw something - you'd want to be able to prove that in court. It's not really a safety enhancement unless you make it very clear you've got cameras, but the legal incentive is pretty good. Edited by AHare 2011-12-15 7:14 AM |
2011-12-15 9:00 AM in reply to: #3939247 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape jsnowash - 2011-12-15 8:03 AM Actually, a quick google search shows the cyclist, Paul Gallas, does in fact make indoor cycling videos, here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb5rBi_Jpns Istand corrected. |
2011-12-15 9:06 AM in reply to: #3938021 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape That's pretty mild stuff compared to some acts I've seen/been on receiving end of. I'd have to let that one slide I think. You can yell at me all day, I don't care.....and the car didn't appear to be that close, from the video anyway. In fact, I just expect a certain percentage of people in cars to be idiots, and work around them. The only thing I won't tolerate is having something thrown at me. I must have had a bad experience with a projectile thrown from a car in a former life.....because nobody is safe around me when that happens. |
2011-12-15 9:10 AM in reply to: #3938021 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape I have considered getting a camera for riding for a couple reasons but mostly if someone runs into me perhaps they could be caught. Is that wrong? I read to many cases of hit and run by cars, or even some driver stops and cyclists injured but unable to prove they were not at fault. Having video I would think would make determination of fault more clear and easier for law enforcement. If I had issues on certain roads, I would go to local authorities and show them what has happening to me as I am not sure all police understand how crappy some drivers are in watching out for cyclists or buzzing them on purpose. Where I live there are many more kind to cyclists drivers than not but I have had incidents that scare me. I think all cyclists have. |
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2011-12-15 9:29 AM in reply to: #3938021 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape This happens to me on about 25% of my rides. On about 10% of my rides, something much more dangerous (cars within inches), honking, etc. I am happy to see this get some attention, but on a scale of 1-10, this behavior qualifies as a 3. |
2011-12-15 10:33 AM in reply to: #3938021 |
Member 119 Charlotte, NC | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape I keep seeing "the car didn't look that close" over and over again. If the rider was using a GoPro camera, it makes distances a bit harder to judge. I use one making videos on my jet skis and you rarely get what you see at close distances.
Here is a good example from when I was playing around with my GoPro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcK9-OvEbqc&list=UU9iTUtbeA7Xtia... video makes the table look a lot bigger than it is. |
2011-12-15 10:37 AM in reply to: #3939677 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape baxt3r - 2011-12-15 10:33 AM I keep seeing "the car didn't look that close" over and over again. If the rider was using a GoPro camera, it makes distances a bit harder to judge. I use one making videos on my jet skis and you rarely get what you see at close distances.
Here is a good example from when I was playing around with my GoPro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcK9-OvEbqc&list=UU9iTUtbeA7Xtia... video makes the table look a lot bigger than it is.
If that's the case, and I'm sure you're probably right, it becomes fairly useless as evidence in court. A jury will see what the video shows. |
2011-12-15 10:45 AM in reply to: #3939692 |
Member 119 Charlotte, NC | Subject: RE: Driver caught on Tape Left Brain - 2011-12-15 11:37 AM baxt3r - 2011-12-15 10:33 AM I keep seeing "the car didn't look that close" over and over again. If the rider was using a GoPro camera, it makes distances a bit harder to judge. I use one making videos on my jet skis and you rarely get what you see at close distances.
Here is a good example from when I was playing around with my GoPro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcK9-OvEbqc&list=UU9iTUtbeA7Xtia... video makes the table look a lot bigger than it is.
If that's the case, and I'm sure you're probably right, it becomes fairly useless as evidence in court. A jury will see what the video shows.
Not entirely true. All it would take is a simple demonstration involving the camera used and a tape measure. Not hard at all. Whether it would be admissable is an entirely different story. |
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