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2012-02-12 8:01 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
Master 1348 Gurnee, IL | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Impressive Lance. Impressive. |
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2012-02-12 8:31 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
Veteran 164 Waterford, MI. | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama FYI. Lieto is 40 years old as well. |
2012-02-12 8:50 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
Veteran 217 Clemson | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama I wonder how many more people are going to enter the lottery for Mona this year hoping to race with Lance! I would if I even thought I had a chance to complete, maybe next year? |
2012-02-12 8:52 PM in reply to: #4043653 |
Veteran 403 Maryland | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama |
2012-02-12 8:53 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
Extreme Veteran 844 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama I'm a Lieto fan and just wish the guy could figure out his run, he seems to run "heavy" in terms of how he lands. Would love to see him figure that out (not that a 1:2x 1/2 is bad, but when guys have 10 minutes on you..). As to the press coverage, what did they expect? If they're smart they'll embrace it and help drive their recognition up a notch (not saying jump on coattails, but if you know how to partner/market yourself, etc)... anyway, great race.. will be an interesting year.. |
2012-02-12 10:39 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Lieto and Lance left the bike together?? I was in the camp that DID think Lance would have a huge lead off the bike. I'm in the pro-Lance camp. Yes I think he doped but I think it was an even field because they ALL doped. And now he just doesn't want to get caught, it's human nature. It'll be exciting to see what happens. I don't think he will dope here because there's an understanding that you DON'T dope in pro triathlons (at least I think so) while there is an understanding that you DO dope in pro cycling. |
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2012-02-12 10:43 PM in reply to: #4043787 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama GatorDeb - 2012-02-12 10:39 PM Lieto and Lance left the bike together?? I was in the camp that DID think Lance would have a huge lead off the bike. I'm in the pro-Lance camp. Yes I think he doped but I think it was an even field because they ALL doped. And now he just doesn't want to get caught, it's human nature. It'll be exciting to see what happens. I don't think he will dope here because there's an understanding that you DON'T dope in pro triathlons (at least I think so) while there is an understanding that you DO dope in pro cycling.
wait.....WHAT??????? |
2012-02-12 10:55 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Summary of all my thoughts in the subject as I have been following this thread but hadn't posted. Love the guy. |
2012-02-12 11:14 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
Veteran 393 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Like I said, Lance will wisely sit back and let Lieto et all burn themselves up. Everyone that panicked and tried to hang with him ran out of gas. I'm sure Lance could have trounced them all on the bike, but he's smart enough to realize that you can't do that without suffering (maybe by watching Lieto fry himself in every. single. race.) "You bike for show and run for dough" Saw this over at ST: |
2012-02-13 12:04 AM in reply to: #4043483 |
Extreme Veteran 494 Olympia, WA | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama bryancd - 2012-02-12 4:41 PM Remarkable performance by Lance today. Interesting to read the Tweets and posts of pro triathletes. I can understand some resentment about the amount of coverage he received but to think it would be anything different, and with good cause, is naive. I can also understand how some pros would resent him coming in with the entourage, the hype, the endless resources, etc. I don't think I would, but I'm not in their shoes, so what do I know? However, if some of the pros feel that way, then they need to beat him. It's in their own hands. If he finishes out of the top 10 race after race then he's a non-factor and non-story. But if he comes in there and does what he did today in more races this year, he'll be at the top of the sport and deservedly so. He will have earned it just like the other pros so they will either need to step up their game or accept he has a place among them. Here's what I think will be interesting. Will other top pros fear being "Lanced" as Henning put it and therefore avoid the races he enters or will they make it point to enter those races to match up? I suspect the fear of embarrassment of losing to him will dissipate quickly if he keeps up these kind of performances. |
2012-02-13 6:39 AM in reply to: #4043787 |
Expert 1394 Wilmington, NC | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama GatorDeb - 2012-02-12 11:39 PM Lieto and Lance left the bike together?? I was in the camp that DID think Lance would have a huge lead off the bike. I'm in the pro-Lance camp. Yes I think he doped but I think it was an even field because they ALL doped. And now he just doesn't want to get caught, it's human nature. It'll be exciting to see what happens. I don't think he will dope here because there's an understanding that you DON'T dope in pro triathlons (at least I think so) while there is an understanding that you DO dope in pro cycling.
I respect that this is your opinion, but wow those are some interesting takes on a number of topics. |
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2012-02-13 7:58 AM in reply to: #4043483 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama bryancd - 2012-02-12 7:41 PM Having said that there is no chance Lance can win Kona, he's just too old. A few year ago for sure, but not now. Brian - I'm going to stick this one away until October and see how your prediction pans out. I'm not saying one way or the other how he'll do, but I think we'll get a better sense over the next couple of months to see how he does in more races. That said, I'd like to see how he matches up against Crowie in a 70.3 distance before the big show at the end of the year. And I wonder if Macca will have enough time to get back to IM shape after ITU racing the past season. |
2012-02-13 8:14 AM in reply to: #4043787 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama GatorDeb - 2012-02-12 11:39 PM I don't think he will dope here because there's an understanding that you DON'T dope in pro triathlons (at least I think so) while there is an understanding that you DO dope in pro cycling.
So in a sport that has much less strict doping testing you think that athletes competing for "cash and fame" are LESS likely to dope?
You lost me there. |
2012-02-13 8:17 AM in reply to: #4044100 |
Master 2946 Centennial, CO | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Leegoocrap - 2012-02-13 7:14 AM GatorDeb - 2012-02-12 11:39 PM I don't think he will dope here because there's an understanding that you DON'T dope in pro triathlons (at least I think so) while there is an understanding that you DO dope in pro cycling.
So in a sport that has much less strict doping testing you think that athletes competing for "cash and fame" are LESS likely to dope?
You lost me there. Well it is a lot less cash and fame. |
2012-02-13 8:19 AM in reply to: #4044109 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama velocomp - 2012-02-13 9:17 AM Leegoocrap - 2012-02-13 7:14 AM GatorDeb - 2012-02-12 11:39 PM I don't think he will dope here because there's an understanding that you DON'T dope in pro triathlons (at least I think so) while there is an understanding that you DO dope in pro cycling.
So in a sport that has much less strict doping testing you think that athletes competing for "cash and fame" are LESS likely to dope?
You lost me there. Well it is a lot less cash and fame. In high school I had a cheat sheet for my spanish class tests and I didn't get much out of that |
2012-02-13 8:35 AM in reply to: #4044068 |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama GoFaster - 2012-02-13 7:58 AM bryancd - 2012-02-12 7:41 PM Having said that there is no chance Lance can win Kona, he's just too old. A few year ago for sure, but not now. Brian - I'm going to stick this one away until October and see how your prediction pans out. I'm not saying one way or the other how he'll do, but I think we'll get a better sense over the next couple of months to see how he does in more races. That said, I'd like to see how he matches up against Crowie in a 70.3 distance before the big show at the end of the year. And I wonder if Macca will have enough time to get back to IM shape after ITU racing the past season. Age definitely needs to be considered. I wonder if Lance reads these, or at least one of his peeps. Alexander won Kona last year at the age of 38 correct? So if Lance is say 41 when he competes is that going to be a huge difference? I hope he stays injury free and as a minimum, toes the line this year. Because age is a factor, and how many years after this will he be up to it. |
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2012-02-13 8:41 AM in reply to: #4044068 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama GoFaster - 2012-02-13 6:58 AM bryancd - 2012-02-12 7:41 PM Having said that there is no chance Lance can win Kona, he's just too old. A few year ago for sure, but not now. Brian - I'm going to stick this one away until October and see how your prediction pans out. I'm not saying one way or the other how he'll do, but I think we'll get a better sense over the next couple of months to see how he does in more races. That said, I'd like to see how he matches up against Crowie in a 70.3 distance before the big show at the end of the year. And I wonder if Macca will have enough time to get back to IM shape after ITU racing the past season. Fair enough, hopefully I'll be out on the course to watch it go down! I certainly think top 10, no doubt. And I wonder if he will do the double and show up at Vegas 70.3.. Edited by bryancd 2012-02-13 8:41 AM |
2012-02-13 9:13 AM in reply to: #4035629 |
Regular 272 Houston | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Lance Armstrong: 'He deserved to win' New Zealander Bevan Docherty says he was snubbed by Lance Armstrong after winning the Panama half ironman on Sunday and knocking the seven-time Tour de France winner into second place in his first professional triathlon. Docherty beat Armstrong by 31 seconds after overtaking the American on the running leg of the event, which was raced in searing heat in Panama City, not far from the western entrance to the Panama Canal. http://espn.go.com/olympics/triathlon/story/_/id/7569815/lance-arms... |
2012-02-13 9:29 AM in reply to: #4044231 |
Extreme Veteran 961 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Tireman 4 - 2012-02-13 9:13 AM Lance Armstrong: 'He deserved to win' New Zealander Bevan Docherty says he was snubbed by Lance Armstrong after winning the Panama half ironman on Sunday and knocking the seven-time Tour de France winner into second place in his first professional triathlon. Docherty beat Armstrong by 31 seconds after overtaking the American on the running leg of the event, which was raced in searing heat in Panama City, not far from the western entrance to the Panama Canal. http://espn.go.com/olympics/triathlon/story/_/id/7569815/lance-arms... From the linked article: "Armstrong led Docherty after the cycling, but the New Zealander made up ground on the 16½-mile running leg and passed Armstrong about 1½ miles from the finish."
No wonder Lance got passed, he probably stopped at 13.1 looking for the finish line. |
2012-02-13 9:40 AM in reply to: #4044161 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama bryancd - 2012-02-13 9:41 AM GoFaster - 2012-02-13 6:58 AM Fair enough, hopefully I'll be out on the course to watch it go down! I certainly think top 10, no doubt. And I wonder if he will do the double and show up at Vegas 70.3..bryancd - 2012-02-12 7:41 PM Having said that there is no chance Lance can win Kona, he's just too old. A few year ago for sure, but not now. Brian - I'm going to stick this one away until October and see how your prediction pans out. I'm not saying one way or the other how he'll do, but I think we'll get a better sense over the next couple of months to see how he does in more races. That said, I'd like to see how he matches up against Crowie in a 70.3 distance before the big show at the end of the year. And I wonder if Macca will have enough time to get back to IM shape after ITU racing the past season. Yea, I hope you have a front seat to the action. I was thinking the same thing about the double, and based on yesterdays performance I don't see why he wouldn't give it a try - assuming he recovers from the effort as expected. What I really want to see is what he does on the bike next time. He commented about how he hadn't expected the surging and mentality of draft legal pack riding. Does he just hammer the bike one race to see what it does to both his legs + those of the other competitors? Going to be interesting... |
2012-02-13 9:43 AM in reply to: #4035629 |
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2012-02-13 10:12 AM in reply to: #4044326 |
168 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Fred D - 2012-02-13 9:43 AM Age of a 38yo vs 41 is a factor, there is a sharp decline in fitness that occurs in the early 40s at the elite level imho. My only counter to this is "The Man" Yup Dave Scott came freakin' 2nd at Kona at the age of 42. That's incredible in itself, so clearly Lance "could" win. I just think the Raelaert's, Crowie and now Pete Jacobs can all outrun him substantially and will make it hard at Kona unless he does a huge breakaway on the bike. Due to the draft benefits that occur (even at the legal distances) in a group, this will be a monumental challenge. Then again, it's LANCE.... Personally, I think its more of a sharp decline in motivation. The Man stayed motivated and stayed fit. Lance is doing the same. Oscar Galindez is also 41 years old and racing well. I think Crowie will race well into his 40s and I think Macca has 1 more Kona win in him. 10 years ago I would have agreed with you and I think Mark Allen retired pre-40. That said, I think the 42 is the new 37. |
2012-02-13 10:22 AM in reply to: #4044431 |
Master 2372 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama saltman95 - 2012-02-13 10:12 AM Fred D - 2012-02-13 9:43 AM Age of a 38yo vs 41 is a factor, there is a sharp decline in fitness that occurs in the early 40s at the elite level imho. My only counter to this is "The Man" Yup Dave Scott came freakin' 2nd at Kona at the age of 42. That's incredible in itself, so clearly Lance "could" win. I just think the Raelaert's, Crowie and now Pete Jacobs can all outrun him substantially and will make it hard at Kona unless he does a huge breakaway on the bike. Due to the draft benefits that occur (even at the legal distances) in a group, this will be a monumental challenge. Then again, it's LANCE.... Personally, I think its more of a sharp decline in motivation. The Man stayed motivated and stayed fit. Lance is doing the same. Oscar Galindez is also 41 years old and racing well. I think Crowie will race well into his 40s and I think Macca has 1 more Kona win in him. 10 years ago I would have agreed with you and I think Mark Allen retired pre-40. That said, I think the 42 is the new 37. Look at what Leipheimer and Horner did last year. I still think Horner could have been a factor in the TdF without the crash. Both those guys are getting up there and they are still very competitive. In fact, Horner is in the best shape of his career (at least was last year) - his performance in the ToC was masterful.
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2012-02-13 10:25 AM in reply to: #4043829 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama citaltfort - 2012-02-12 11:04 PM bryancd - 2012-02-12 4:41 PM Remarkable performance by Lance today. Interesting to read the Tweets and posts of pro triathletes. I can understand some resentment about the amount of coverage he received but to think it would be anything different, and with good cause, is naive. I can also understand how some pros would resent him coming in with the entourage, the hype, the endless resources, etc. I don't think I would, but I'm not in their shoes, so what do I know? However, if some of the pros feel that way, then they need to beat him. It's in their own hands. If he finishes out of the top 10 race after race then he's a non-factor and non-story. But if he comes in there and does what he did today in more races this year, he'll be at the top of the sport and deservedly so. He will have earned it just like the other pros so they will either need to step up their game or accept he has a place among them.
They were probably pissed at all of his team cars on the course. Edited by powerman 2012-02-13 10:26 AM |
2012-02-13 10:39 AM in reply to: #4035629 |
Regular 272 Houston | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama This can only help the sport....I think...... |
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