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2012-02-13 10:45 AM in reply to: #4035629 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama I don't see how this will change the way the media or public views triathlon at all. This is about Lance, not triathlon. Triathlon, at this point, has been around long enough for everyone to know what it is. Nobody cares except us and our families. I just don't see that changing. Businesses that make their money off of triathlon do so because of participants only.....it's NEVER going to be a spectator sport. |
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2012-02-13 10:53 AM in reply to: #4035629 |
Regular 272 Houston | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama What I meant was, in the way the Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus has helped golf. The bigger paydays (I am referencing golf now) for the folks on the tour can be thankful for Woods. My only point is, (in my humble opinion), that I was thinking it might help the sport. Look what he (Armstrong) did for cycling and even the marathon. Just my opinion. YMMV (your mileage may vary...LOL) |
2012-02-13 10:54 AM in reply to: #4044530 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Left Brain - 2012-02-13 10:45 AMI don't see how this will change the way the media or public views triathlon at all. This is about Lance, not triathlon. Triathlon, at this point, has been around long enough for everyone to know what it is. Nobody cares except us and our families. I just don't see that changing. Businesses that make their money off of triathlon do so because of participants only.....it's NEVER going to be a spectator sport. Sure. And Lance's involvement with the TdF did little to change how the media and the public views that sport, which had been around a lot longer than triathlon, |
2012-02-13 10:57 AM in reply to: #4044530 |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Left Brain - 2012-02-13 11:45 AM I don't see how this will change the way the media or public views triathlon at all. This is about Lance, not triathlon. Triathlon, at this point, has been around long enough for everyone to know what it is. Nobody cares except us and our families. I just don't see that changing. Businesses that make their money off of triathlon do so because of participants only.....it's NEVER going to be a spectator sport. You're kidding right??? Look what happened with attention to cycling in the US once Lance was winning the TDF. It's not like there weren't some previous great US cyclists, or even winner of the TDF, but those individuals never captured the minds/hearts of Americans. Lance is a polarizing individual, but he brings a massive amount of attention to the sport. Guaranteed that a full year of him racing Tri's, Kona, having big time sports networks provide some coverage, etc. that interest in the sport will increase. And how can you say it will never be a spectator sport - look at cycling. People see the riders once, for a few seconds, each race/stage. You get a lot more opportunities in Tri - and that's just live, much easier on TV (edit to say that cycling can be god awful boring during some of the flat stages...).. Edited by GoFaster 2012-02-13 11:00 AM |
2012-02-13 11:02 AM in reply to: #4035629 |
Regular 272 Houston | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama I will add more. I was at the US Olympic Marathon Trials in Houston this past January as a spectator. I loved it. It was fantastic. Was it on live television? Nope. Nada. The 2008 Trials were on live, well sorta between the Today show and running. The 2012 Trials, two hour tape delay by NBC (sigh). The sport of running does need some help. A big time name can do that. Usain Bolt helped track and field TREMENDOUSLY. When he was not there, the sport suffered ( and it is suffering big time right now...ask the University of Maryland, who is trying to drop their track and field program). I love watching the 5 and 10,000 meter runs on the track. So happy for what Galen Rupp did this past year in the 10 ( and this weekend in the 2 mile run indoors and Bernard Lagat in the 5K indoors), but how many folks watched it ( I did). A big name can do nothing but help. Edited by Tireman 4 2012-02-13 11:03 AM |
2012-02-13 11:26 AM in reply to: #4035629 |
Veteran 930 Morgan Hill, California | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama I certainly don't see Sundays turning into Triathlon day on some major network, but I think Lance's participation could increase the media options for watching events. Remember, pre-Lance, the TdF TV coverage was an hour long highlight package on Wild World of Sports on the weekend with maybe a cut to the final laps of the last stage. Now, the entire event is covered on NBC Sports channel (formerly Versus, etc). And look at how much more cycling is on TV now. I'm not saying that is all the Lance factor, but he is a huge reason for the increase in popularity. Companies are starting to realize how much money is in play with triathletes. Specialized and Cervelo just released tri bikes specifically for the tri market that are not UCI legal. That is because they know the money triathletes will spend on this sport. As more companies realize the opportunity, I think that can only increase media options. Again, I don't see it being on the same level as football, baseball, basketball, or even soccer in the U.S., but with the opportunities that internet broadcasting present, I think there is an opportunity to increase the coverage. |
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2012-02-13 12:01 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama We'll have this discussion again in 5 years....when triathlon is still a niche sport enjoyed by participants and tolerated by their families. |
2012-02-13 12:06 PM in reply to: #4044571 |
Extreme Veteran 494 Olympia, WA | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Tireman 4 - 2012-02-13 9:02 AM I will add more. I was at the US Olympic Marathon Trials in Houston this past January as a spectator. I loved it. It was fantastic. Was it on live television? Nope. Nada. The 2008 Trials were on live, well sorta between the Today show and running. The 2012 Trials, two hour tape delay by NBC (sigh). The sport of running does need some help. A big time name can do that. Usain Bolt helped track and field TREMENDOUSLY. When he was not there, the sport suffered ( and it is suffering big time right now...ask the University of Maryland, who is trying to drop their track and field program). I love watching the 5 and 10,000 meter runs on the track. So happy for what Galen Rupp did this past year in the 10 ( and this weekend in the 2 mile run indoors and Bernard Lagat in the 5K indoors), but how many folks watched it ( I did). A big name can do nothing but help. I hear ya. I was able to see both Millrose and Fayetteville (one on live stream, one on TV) and remember thinking at the time this wouldn't have been possible a few years ago. Having high-profile americans (well, high-profile for distance runners) in the races certainly helps make that sport more available through various media. I see no reason why the same thing won't happen with triathlon with LA involved. How many of us were wishing there was a live feed of the Panama race? I was. By the way, that was a helluva distance running weekend! I was stoked to have the opportunity to watch it. Brad |
2012-02-13 12:08 PM in reply to: #4044530 |
SC | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Left Brain - 2012-02-13 11:45 AM I wonder what the percentage of "Timex ironman" watches actually go to triathletes? |
2012-02-13 1:18 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
Extreme Veteran 617 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama It seriously bugs me when people say someone can't do xyz because of age. Like there is some magical switch that flips at 40, rendering one incapable of something they may have been able to do before?Anyways, I have no doubts now that LA will get to kona and put on a good show. Probably not win, but def a top 10 contender. |
2012-02-13 1:18 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
Extreme Veteran 617 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama |
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2012-02-13 1:21 PM in reply to: #4044961 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama ATLrunr - 2012-02-13 12:18 PM It seriously bugs me when people say someone can't do xyz because of age. Like there is some magical switch that flips at 40, rendering one incapable of something they may have been able to do before?Anyways, I have no doubts now that LA will get to kona and put on a good show. Probably not win, but def a top 10 contender. Not a magical switch, but the decrease in athletic perfromance takes an appreciable nose dive for men in the early 40's. I'm just trying to hang on myself. It's a physiological fact, ask Dr. Fred D. here on the board. |
2012-02-13 1:35 PM in reply to: #4044555 |
Expert 1394 Wilmington, NC | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Tireman 4 - 2012-02-13 11:53 AM What I meant was, in the way the Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus has helped golf. The bigger paydays (I am referencing golf now) for the folks on the tour can be thankful for Woods. My only point is, (in my humble opinion), that I was thinking it might help the sport. Look what he (Armstrong) did for cycling and even the marathon. Just my opinion. YMMV (your mileage may vary...LOL) Gotta tell you, Lance did very very little to nothing for the marathon. |
2012-02-13 1:37 PM in reply to: #4045018 |
Regular 272 Houston | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama qrkid - 2012-02-13 1:35 PM Tireman 4 - 2012-02-13 11:53 AM What I meant was, in the way the Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus has helped golf. The bigger paydays (I am referencing golf now) for the folks on the tour can be thankful for Woods. My only point is, (in my humble opinion), that I was thinking it might help the sport. Look what he (Armstrong) did for cycling and even the marathon. Just my opinion. YMMV (your mileage may vary...LOL) Gotta tell you, Lance did very very little to nothing for the marathon. The New York City and Boston Marathons he ran, viewership was up on the television side. That was my point. Not participation wise. |
2012-02-13 1:41 PM in reply to: #4044974 |
168 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama bryancd - 2012-02-13 1:21 PM ATLrunr - 2012-02-13 12:18 PM It seriously bugs me when people say someone can't do xyz because of age. Like there is some magical switch that flips at 40, rendering one incapable of something they may have been able to do before?Anyways, I have no doubts now that LA will get to kona and put on a good show. Probably not win, but def a top 10 contender. Not a magical switch, but the decrease in athletic perfromance takes an appreciable nose dive for men in the early 40's. I'm just trying to hang on myself. It's a physiological fact, ask Dr. Fred D. here on the board.Certainly this has been true over the years, but the truth is more and more athletes are defying those odds as well. It remains to be seen if the switch has been turned "off" for Lance or if he has 1 or 2 more good shows in him. |
2012-02-13 2:25 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
Veteran 346 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama I wouldn't say Lance's appearance will change the way media looks at this sport. Non-triathletes in general as well. It may happen that one or two individuals sign one or two sponsorship agreements, but his appearance will be a turning point to something...? Reality check - unnecessary. |
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2012-02-13 2:54 PM in reply to: #4044563 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama GoFaster - 2012-02-13 10:57 AM Left Brain - 2012-02-13 11:45 AM I don't see how this will change the way the media or public views triathlon at all. This is about Lance, not triathlon. Triathlon, at this point, has been around long enough for everyone to know what it is. Nobody cares except us and our families. I just don't see that changing. Businesses that make their money off of triathlon do so because of participants only.....it's NEVER going to be a spectator sport. You're kidding right??? Look what happened with attention to cycling in the US once Lance was winning the TDF. It's not like there weren't some previous great US cyclists, or even winner of the TDF, but those individuals never captured the minds/hearts of Americans. Lance is a polarizing individual, but he brings a massive amount of attention to the sport. Guaranteed that a full year of him racing Tri's, Kona, having big time sports networks provide some coverage, etc. that interest in the sport will increase. And how can you say it will never be a spectator sport - look at cycling. People see the riders once, for a few seconds, each race/stage. You get a lot more opportunities in Tri - and that's just live, much easier on TV (edit to say that cycling can be god awful boring during some of the flat stages...)..
Uh.....we're not watching cycling down here in person....at least not in any numbers. Hell, the Tour of Missouri couldn't even sustain itself despite attracting many of the top pros and their teams. It was the first thing their "Tourism Board" cut when dollars got short. And for the record, cycling took off in the U.S. in the 70's. That's when the "ten speed" swept the country and people started riding. Yes, Lance has been great for cycling, but I know just as many people who quit watching the Tour once he was gone as started watching when he was going for wins 5,6, and 7. I work with 80 people, none of which run triathlon or care to. I was on a trip last year with about 1/4 of them and kept trying to watch the Tour....I got ran out of the room. We tend to think this is a large community because we like to hang with people who share our interests.....it's actually very small and very few people care. The one's who do are participants for the most part. I'd like to hear exactly where you all think it's going to grow to?? Season tickets to the local triathlon series? ITU types races that draw crowds of people who don't run triathlon cheering on their favorites? Television coverage of an event that the Networks can't even justify showcasing it's biggest event for more than 90 minutes.....much of it full of "human interest" stories that have nothing to do with triathlon.....throw in a few old people in a near death experience for added suspense!! I love triathlon.....but I wouldn't walk across the street to watch a race I or a family member wasn't participating in. |
2012-02-13 3:02 PM in reply to: #4044961 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama ATLrunr - 2012-02-13 12:18 PM It seriously bugs me when people say someone can't do xyz because of age. Like there is some magical switch that flips at 40, rendering one incapable of something they may have been able to do before?Anyways, I have no doubts now that LA will get to kona and put on a good show. Probably not win, but def a top 10 contender. The fact is he CAN'T win the TDF again because he is too old. He proved that one last year. Lance most certainly could have won Kona in his prime... it remains to be seen if he can now... due to his age. Sorry it bugs you, but it is a medical fact, the older you get, the less you perform, the less you recover in time. |
2012-02-13 3:40 PM in reply to: #4045018 |
Colorado | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Gotta tell you, Lance did very very little to nothing for the marathon. Totally different story. He did them for "fun", wasn't in serious, competitive shape, and was nowhere close to being in contention for anything. Watching a guy carrying 20 extra pounds over his competition weight cross the finish line in 200-something place isn't exactly going to create big increases in viewership. Competing for the podium in ironman events? Now that just might. |
2012-02-13 3:46 PM in reply to: #4045289 |
168 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama powerman - 2012-02-13 3:02 PM ATLrunr - 2012-02-13 12:18 PM It seriously bugs me when people say someone can't do xyz because of age. Like there is some magical switch that flips at 40, rendering one incapable of something they may have been able to do before?Anyways, I have no doubts now that LA will get to kona and put on a good show. Probably not win, but def a top 10 contender. The fact is he CAN'T win the TDF again because he is too old. He proved that one last year. Lance most certainly could have won Kona in his prime... it remains to be seen if he can now... due to his age. Sorry it bugs you, but it is a medical fact, the older you get, the less you perform, the less you recover in time. |
2012-02-13 3:56 PM in reply to: #4045417 |
Expert 1394 Wilmington, NC | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama delosh - 2012-02-13 4:40 PM Gotta tell you, Lance did very very little to nothing for the marathon. I am not disputing the positive impact he could have on Tri's. My statement above was a reply to a poster who stated that he had done alot for marathons. |
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2012-02-13 4:02 PM in reply to: #4045289 |
168 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama powerman - 2012-02-13 3:02 PM ATLrunr - 2012-02-13 12:18 PM It seriously bugs me when people say someone can't do xyz because of age. Like there is some magical switch that flips at 40, rendering one incapable of something they may have been able to do before?Anyways, I have no doubts now that LA will get to kona and put on a good show. Probably not win, but def a top 10 contender. The fact is he CAN'T win the TDF again because he is too old. He proved that one last year. Lance most certainly could have won Kona in his prime... it remains to be seen if he can now... due to his age. Sorry it bugs you, but it is a medical fact, the older you get, the less you perform, the less you recover in time. But winning the TDF and winning Kona are not remotely the same and btw Lance didn't race the TDF last year. It's a different caliber of athlete. I have mucho respect for pro's and what they do is amazing, but none of them could compete today as an Olympic level single sport athlete. So Lance has a weapon that no other professional in the sport of triathlon has. We have to consider the possibility that a 41 year old former olympic caliber athlete might still be able to win in a field/sport dominated by less than olympic caliber athletes. If pros today were running mid 2:30 marathons off the bike, I'd say Lance has no shot. But as it stands today. If he gets a little luck to fall his way and can muster a sub 2:50 marathon, he may have a chance on any given day. By virtue what we saw in Panama, he still clearly has that abilty. |
2012-02-13 4:05 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
168 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Here is another interesting question: Who is the best American long course triathlete today? Potts, Reed, Lieto, Lovato.......Armstrong?? |
2012-02-13 4:28 PM in reply to: #4045463 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama saltman95 - 2012-02-13 3:02 PM powerman - 2012-02-13 3:02 PM ATLrunr - 2012-02-13 12:18 PM It seriously bugs me when people say someone can't do xyz because of age. Like there is some magical switch that flips at 40, rendering one incapable of something they may have been able to do before?Anyways, I have no doubts now that LA will get to kona and put on a good show. Probably not win, but def a top 10 contender. The fact is he CAN'T win the TDF again because he is too old. He proved that one last year. Lance most certainly could have won Kona in his prime... it remains to be seen if he can now... due to his age. Sorry it bugs you, but it is a medical fact, the older you get, the less you perform, the less you recover in time. But winning the TDF and winning Kona are not remotely the same and btw Lance didn't race the TDF last year. It's a different caliber of athlete. I have mucho respect for pro's and what they do is amazing, but none of them could compete today as an Olympic level single sport athlete. So Lance has a weapon that no other professional in the sport of triathlon has. We have to consider the possibility that a 41 year old former olympic caliber athlete might still be able to win in a field/sport dominated by less than olympic caliber athletes. If pros today were running mid 2:30 marathons off the bike, I'd say Lance has no shot. But as it stands today. If he gets a little luck to fall his way and can muster a sub 2:50 marathon, he may have a chance on any given day. By virtue what we saw in Panama, he still clearly has that abilty. Sorry, but winning a top level endurance event for an aging athlete is the same. And right... not last year, year before. I understand what you mean about different calibers, but for an aging endurance athletes, it still comes down to traing and recovery. And yes, I do think it is possible for him to win. He is a freak of nature, he is determined, he has a metric f ton of resources and money... for the reason you mentioned, different group of athletes. But even Lance is not immune to time and his window in this sport is very short and closing fast. People here have speculated what he can do for triathlon.... how much do you expect him to accomplish in 1-2-3 years? It will be HUGE if he can win Kona at 41. Nice feather indeed... but that clock is ticking. It's a fact, and I'm not hating. |
2012-02-13 4:31 PM in reply to: #4035629 |
168 | Subject: RE: Lance is Racing 70.3 Panama Agree, no question his clock is ticking. I am just saying, the clock doesn't appear to have stopped just yet. 1 week ago, I wouldn't have thought a Kona win remotely possible. |
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