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 2013-01-10 4:01 PM in reply to: #4572423 |
Master  1585    Folsom (Sacramento), CA |  Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws?mr2tony - 2013-01-10 12:01 PM trinnas - 2013-01-10 1:59 PM I've been riding bikes for as long as I can remember and never once have I ever used a pair of pliers, a screwdriver or a file to repair one. Ever.Kido - 2013-01-10 2:56 PM mr2tony - 2013-01-10 11:46 AM dontracy - 2013-01-10 12:50 PM What kind of bike do you have Don? I don't see a single tool on there that I'd use to fix a bike. There's a law in Philadelphia that makes it illegal to have a knife on your person on the street or public property. That means any knife or instrument similar to a knife, for example a swiss army knife or multi-tool. The only persons who may have them are those in a trade, profession, or calling So if you're a cyclist riding in Philadelphia and you're carrying a multi-tool with a knife blade in it, So for those who now ride in Philadelphia, or who might ever consider riding in Philadelphia, The penalty if convicted is not less than $300 and at least ninety days in jail. I can't tell how many times I needed a corkscrew for bike repairs... You never had a random cork fly off the road and lodge into the exposed bar end? God, if I had a nickle every time that happened. But of course a pair of pliers or a screwdriver or a file would never ever come in handy?
n=1 I've been carrying one of these with me when I go mountain biking and in the year I've had it, I've kept both myself and a riding buddy from walking home on separate occasions.
Obviously no everyone will need it, but I personally would prefer the option. |
| 2013-01-10 4:05 PM in reply to: #4572230 |
Pro 15655  | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? You'd be surprised how many cities have "knife laws"......in mine you can't have a folding knife, or dagger, with a blade longer than 4 inches. Also no switchblades, butterfly knives, etc. My bet would be that most cities have at least one "knife control" law.
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| 2013-01-10 4:06 PM in reply to: #4572743 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? dontracy - 2013-01-10 1:57 PM crowny2 - Isn't that inherrently true of any law? Right. So passing national legislation that prohibits a criminal or the criminally insane from using a magazine that holds more than ten rounds and what have you accomplished? They'll still cause mayhem in a elementary school if they want to. Big deal. These are just "feel good" laws that won't actually contribute to solving the problem. If you extrapolate. Can you say since good people are going to be good anyway. And bad people are going to be bad and ignore laws anyway... Why not leave order up to people's own discretion? We don't need laws if good will be good and bad will ignore them anyway. |
| 2013-01-10 4:09 PM in reply to: #4572759 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Left Brain - 2013-01-10 2:05 PM You'd be surprised how many cities have "knife laws"......in mine you can't have a folding knife, or dagger, with a blade longer than 4 inches. Also no switchblades, butterfly knives, etc. My bet would be that most cities have at least one "knife control" law.
I never understood some of those laws for switchblades and butterfly knives. Maybe they just seem scarier/intimidating so they pass laws? I loved my butterfly knife and could do the tricks. But to ME, it's the same as any folding knife where the blade folds into the handle. In this case, if folds into two halves of the handle. What is the difference? |
| 2013-01-10 4:13 PM in reply to: #4572760 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Kido - If you extrapolate. Can you say since good people are going to be good anyway. And bad people are going to be bad and ignore laws anyway... Why not leave order up to people's own discretion? We don't need laws if good will be good and bad will ignore them anyway. I understand what you're saying. Look, the Philadelphia knife law is stupid. It won't stop gangs or criminals from using knives. Magazine restrictions or "assault weapons" bans, whatever an "assault weapon" is, equally have no effect on what they purport to intend to do. For example, they had no effect in CT. So I think these laws are just about helping people "feel good", edited to add: I guess it will stop Tony too. Edited by dontracy 2013-01-10 4:18 PM |
| 2013-01-10 5:07 PM in reply to: #4572777 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? dontracy - 2013-01-10 5:13 PM It will however stop me from possessing one when I'm in the city. Don, are there laws that you are willing to, let's say, bend just a little? Say 5mph or so over the speed limit on the highway?
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| 2013-01-10 5:15 PM in reply to: #4572765 |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Kido - 2013-01-10 3:09 PM Left Brain - 2013-01-10 2:05 PM You'd be surprised how many cities have "knife laws"......in mine you can't have a folding knife, or dagger, with a blade longer than 4 inches. Also no switchblades, butterfly knives, etc. My bet would be that most cities have at least one "knife control" law.
I never understood some of those laws for switchblades and butterfly knives. Maybe they just seem scarier/intimidating so they pass laws? I loved my butterfly knife and could do the tricks. But to ME, it's the same as any folding knife where the blade folds into the handle. In this case, if folds into two halves of the handle. What is the difference? The butterfly knife is scary, kinda like a collapsible stock and a pistol grip. |
| 2013-01-10 5:21 PM in reply to: #4572777 |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? dontracy - 2013-01-10 3:13 PM Kido - If you extrapolate. Can you say since good people are going to be good anyway. And bad people are going to be bad and ignore laws anyway... Why not leave order up to people's own discretion? We don't need laws if good will be good and bad will ignore them anyway. I understand what you're saying. Look, the Philadelphia knife law is stupid. It won't stop gangs or criminals from using knives. Magazine restrictions or "assault weapons" bans, whatever an "assault weapon" is, equally have no effect on what they purport to intend to do. For example, they had no effect in CT. So I think these laws are just about helping people "feel good", edited to add: I guess it will stop Tony too. I believe that is the point. |
| 2013-01-10 5:32 PM in reply to: #4572777 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? dontracy - 2013-01-10 4:13 PM Kido - If you extrapolate. Can you say since good people are going to be good anyway. And bad people are going to be bad and ignore laws anyway... Why not leave order up to people's own discretion? We don't need laws if good will be good and bad will ignore them anyway. I understand what you're saying. Look, the Philadelphia knife law is stupid. It won't stop gangs or criminals from using knives. Magazine restrictions or "assault weapons" bans, whatever an "assault weapon" is, equally have no effect on what they purport to intend to do. For example, they had no effect in CT. So I think these laws are just about helping people "feel good", edited to add: I guess it will stop Tony too. I don't need a law to tell me it's a bad idea to carry a deadly weapon around. |
| 2013-01-10 6:32 PM in reply to: #4572777 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? dontracy - 2013-01-10 5:13 PM Kido - If you extrapolate. Can you say since good people are going to be good anyway. And bad people are going to be bad and ignore laws anyway... Why not leave order up to people's own discretion? We don't need laws if good will be good and bad will ignore them anyway. I understand what you're saying. Look, the Philadelphia knife law is stupid. It won't stop gangs or criminals from using knives. Magazine restrictions or "assault weapons" bans, whatever an "assault weapon" is, equally have no effect on what they purport to intend to do. For example, they had no effect in CT. So I think these laws are just about helping people "feel good", edited to add: I guess it will stop Tony too. If this law was enacted in 1968, you need to look at the context in which it was enacted. Philadelphia's Black Mafia was started at that time to take over organized crime. Gang violence was on a serious upswing. I'm sure this was enacted to specifically address those problems. And, now, 43 year later, we still have that law on the books. It's already been pointed out how many laws remain in place even though they seem absurd by today's standards. |
| 2013-01-10 7:14 PM in reply to: #4572926 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? mr2tony - 2013-01-10 6:32 PM dontracy - 2013-01-10 4:13 PM I don't need a law to tell me it's a bad idea to carry a deadly weapon around. Kido - If you extrapolate. Can you say since good people are going to be good anyway. And bad people are going to be bad and ignore laws anyway... Why not leave order up to people's own discretion? We don't need laws if good will be good and bad will ignore them anyway. I understand what you're saying. Look, the Philadelphia knife law is stupid. It won't stop gangs or criminals from using knives. Magazine restrictions or "assault weapons" bans, whatever an "assault weapon" is, equally have no effect on what they purport to intend to do. For example, they had no effect in CT. So I think these laws are just about helping people "feel good", edited to add: I guess it will stop Tony too. That's odd I have carried a deadly weapon around on numerous occasions for various reasons. I have never had any problem. |
| 2013-01-11 7:34 AM in reply to: #4572230 |
Pro 4292 Evanston, | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Confused: do we have any evidence that the owner of the gun used at Sandy Hook wasn't a "law abiding citizen?" |
| 2013-01-11 7:36 AM in reply to: #4572255 |
Extreme Veteran 890 Sterling | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? flip18436572 - 2013-01-10 1:00 PM Another good reason to stay out of Philadelphia.
What they said ^^ |
| 2013-01-11 8:31 AM in reply to: #4573483 |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Bevie - 2013-01-11 8:36 AM Fine, we don't want you anyway, so nyah! flip18436572 - 2013-01-10 1:00 PM Another good reason to stay out of Philadelphia.
What they said ^^  |
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