How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws?
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2013-01-10 12:50 PM |
Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? There's a law in Philadelphia that makes it illegal to have a knife on your person on the street or public property. That means any knife or instrument similar to a knife, for example a swiss army knife or multi-tool. The only persons who may have them are those in a trade, profession, or calling So if you're a cyclist riding in Philadelphia and you're carrying a multi-tool with a knife blade in it, So for those who now ride in Philadelphia, or who might ever consider riding in Philadelphia, The penalty if convicted is not less than $300 and at least ninety days in jail. Edited by dontracy 2013-01-10 12:55 PM (swiss-army-champ-multitool-knife.jpg) Attachments ---------------- swiss-army-champ-multitool-knife.jpg (45KB - 12 downloads) |
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2013-01-10 12:57 PM in reply to: #4572230 |
Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? If it's in a bag attached to your bike, is it "on your person"? |
2013-01-10 12:59 PM in reply to: #4572251 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? non issue, IMO. |
2013-01-10 1:00 PM in reply to: #4572230 |
Master 2504 Southwest Iowa | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Another good reason to stay out of Philadelphia. |
2013-01-10 1:00 PM in reply to: #4572251 |
Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? spudone - If it's in a bag attached to your bike, is it "on your person"? The law says that you may not "possess" it. (2) Prohibited Conduct. No person shall use or possess any cutting weapon upon the public streets or upon any public property at any time.
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2013-01-10 1:00 PM in reply to: #4572253 |
Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? |
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2013-01-10 1:01 PM in reply to: #4572230 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Wouldn't this also apply to motorists? Multi-tool in the glovebox or trunk?
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2013-01-10 1:02 PM in reply to: #4572230 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? The way things stand, only outlaw bike gangs will be able to make minor repairs to their bikes. |
2013-01-10 1:02 PM in reply to: #4572260 |
Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Goosedog - Wouldn't this also apply to motorists? Multi-tool in the glovebox or trunk? Yes, absolutely. You may not posses a knife or an instrument similar to a knife on the street or on public property in Philadelphia. |
2013-01-10 1:07 PM in reply to: #4572230 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? dontracy - 2013-01-10 12:50 PM There's a law in Philadelphia that makes it illegal to have a knife on your person on the street or public property. That means any knife or instrument similar to a knife, for example a swiss army knife or multi-tool. The only persons who may have them are those in a trade, profession, or calling So if you're a cyclist riding in Philadelphia and you're carrying a multi-tool with a knife blade in it, So for those who now ride in Philadelphia, or who might ever consider riding in Philadelphia, The penalty if convicted is not less than $300 and at least ninety days in jail. How old is this law? Just curious. |
2013-01-10 1:07 PM in reply to: #4572230 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Well, I consider cycling a calling so I'm good.
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2013-01-10 1:10 PM in reply to: #4572258 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? dontracy - 2013-01-10 11:00 AM Kido - non issue, IMO. Why? Fine, I'll play.
First, I have owned a dozen multi tools. None of them even HAD a knife blade. I did a quick seach, and only the mega versions with 25-30 items have one. So I don't have one in the first place. Non issue. Second, if I DID. Are cops pulling over random cyclists to check their saddle bag for multi tools that contain knives? NO. So not an issue. Are cops even aware of the law - most likely not. So another reason I don't think it's an issue. If the cop IS aware of the law. Most would be reasonable, like the 5-10 mph over the limit buffer and realize it's part of a multi tool kept on your bike for emergency. They are not going to fine you. And that's AFTER you have one, and AFTER they figure out that you have it in the first place... IF, they wanted to stop you, search you for no reason, then fine you $300 bucks - if you took it to court, you think they would pursue it and waste court time? Probably not. Not an issue. I could probably go on...
But why do you think this IS an isssue? |
2013-01-10 1:10 PM in reply to: #4572230 |
Sneaky Slow 8694 Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Cyclists? What about shoppers? You go into Macy's downtown and buy a set of steak knives, and then exit the store. You're in violation of the law. Silly law. |
2013-01-10 1:11 PM in reply to: #4572276 |
Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? crowny2 - How old is this law? Just curious. I think it's from 2006, but I'm not positive. |
2013-01-10 1:13 PM in reply to: #4572277 |
Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Goosedog - Well, I consider cycling a calling so I'm good. Nope. Calling is a technical term as I understand it |
2013-01-10 1:13 PM in reply to: #4572230 |
Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Holy cow, anyone actually bike with that thing? You're going for a bike ride, not an assault on the Eiger |
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2013-01-10 1:13 PM in reply to: #4572276 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? crowny2 - 2013-01-10 11:07 AM dontracy - 2013-01-10 12:50 PM There's a law in Philadelphia that makes it illegal to have a knife on your person on the street or public property. That means any knife or instrument similar to a knife, for example a swiss army knife or multi-tool. The only persons who may have them are those in a trade, profession, or calling So if you're a cyclist riding in Philadelphia and you're carrying a multi-tool with a knife blade in it, So for those who now ride in Philadelphia, or who might ever consider riding in Philadelphia, The penalty if convicted is not less than $300 and at least ninety days in jail. How old is this law? Just curious. I'm guessing it's an old law that was established for a condition at the time. Maybe like Gangs of New York style when gangs were fighting with them. It's an old law on the books, that only a completely unreasonable person would apply to a multi tool on a bike. I assume you could get hit with the fine in addition to any other charges if you actually used it to assault someone. But in that case, I would be more worried about the assault charges than a fine. |
2013-01-10 1:13 PM in reply to: #4572287 |
Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? tealeaf - Cyclists? What about shoppers? You go into Macy's downtown and buy a set of steak knives, and then exit the store. You're in violation of the law. Silly law. Exactly. But it's the law. |
2013-01-10 1:15 PM in reply to: #4572287 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? tealeaf - 2013-01-10 11:10 AM Cyclists? What about shoppers? You go into Macy's downtown and buy a set of steak knives, and then exit the store. You're in violation of the law. Silly law. I guess you need to have a professional deliver them to you? 1000's of old, outdated, and silly laws out there and no one is interested in cleaning them up because they probably don't come up enough to make it an issue to revise or remove. |
2013-01-10 1:19 PM in reply to: #4572286 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Kido - 2013-01-10 1:10 PM dontracy - 2013-01-10 11:00 AM Kido - non issue, IMO. Why? Fine, I'll play.
First, I have owned a dozen multi tools. None of them even HAD a knife blade. I did a quick seach, and only the mega versions with 25-30 items have one. So I don't have one in the first place. Non issue. Second, if I DID. Are cops pulling over random cyclists to check their saddle bag for multi tools that contain knives? NO. So not an issue. Are cops even aware of the law - most likely not. So another reason I don't think it's an issue. If the cop IS aware of the law. Most would be reasonable, like the 5-10 mph over the limit buffer and realize it's part of a multi tool kept on your bike for emergency. They are not going to fine you. And that's AFTER you have one, and AFTER they figure out that you have it in the first place... IF, they wanted to stop you, search you for no reason, then fine you $300 bucks - if you took it to court, you think they would pursue it and waste court time? Probably not. Not an issue. I could probably go on...
But why do you think this IS an isssue? Don't kid yourself....they absolutely know....and they use it when they need to. I'm just saying. |
2013-01-10 1:22 PM in reply to: #4572286 |
Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Kido -
First, I have owned a dozen multi tools. None of them even HAD a knife blade. I did a quick seach, and only the mega versions with 25-30 items have one. So I don't have one in the first place. Non issue. Second, if I DID. Are cops pulling over random cyclists to check their saddle bag for multi tools that contain knives? NO. So not an issue. Are cops even aware of the law - most likely not. So another reason I don't think it's an issue. If the cop IS aware of the law. Most would be reasonable, like the 5-10 mph over the limit buffer and realize it's part of a multi tool kept on your bike for emergency. They are not going to fine you. And that's AFTER you have one, and AFTER they figure out that you have it in the first place... IF, they wanted to stop you, search you for no reason, then fine you $300 bucks - if you took it to court, you think they would pursue it and waste court time? Probably not. Not an issue. I could probably go on...
But why do you think this IS an isssue? I agree with all of your points. Why is this an issue? Because it's the law and I want to follow the law! Because the City Council and Mayor wanted to address the issue of violent crime in the city. In the process they affected thousands of law abiding citizens who mean no one any harm. Now I'm a law abiding citizen. I'm raising my children to be law abiding citizens. What about when we go fishing in the Wissahickon? We live north of the city, so I can just not take them into the city anymore for recreation. I'm curious though to hear from people who are calling for stricter gun laws
Edited by dontracy 2013-01-10 1:23 PM |
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2013-01-10 1:23 PM in reply to: #4572287 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? tealeaf - 2013-01-10 2:10 PM You go into Macy's downtown and buy a set of steak knives, and then exit the store. This is more confusing than the law. Who in their right mind, in the age of free delivery, would actually go to a store?
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2013-01-10 1:24 PM in reply to: #4572286 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Kido - 2013-01-10 12:10 PM dontracy - 2013-01-10 11:00 AM Kido - non issue, IMO. Why? Fine, I'll play.
First, I have owned a dozen multi tools. None of them even HAD a knife blade. I did a quick seach, and only the mega versions with 25-30 items have one. So I don't have one in the first place. Non issue. Second, if I DID. Are cops pulling over random cyclists to check their saddle bag for multi tools that contain knives? NO. So not an issue. Are cops even aware of the law - most likely not. So another reason I don't think it's an issue. If the cop IS aware of the law. Most would be reasonable, like the 5-10 mph over the limit buffer and realize it's part of a multi tool kept on your bike for emergency. They are not going to fine you. And that's AFTER you have one, and AFTER they figure out that you have it in the first place... IF, they wanted to stop you, search you for no reason, then fine you $300 bucks - if you took it to court, you think they would pursue it and waste court time? Probably not. Not an issue. I could probably go on...
But why do you think this IS an isssue? for me the issue is that a law like this was ever passed in the first place. |
2013-01-10 1:24 PM in reply to: #4572311 |
Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? Goosedog - 2013-01-10 11:23 AM tealeaf - 2013-01-10 2:10 PM You go into Macy's downtown and buy a set of steak knives, and then exit the store. This is more confusing than the law. Who in their right mind, in the age of free delivery, would actually go to a store?
And pay retail?????? |
2013-01-10 1:24 PM in reply to: #4572313 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: How many cyclists in Philadelphia are breaking the city's knife laws? rayd - 2013-01-10 2:24 PM for me the issue is that a law like this was ever passed in the first place. I'm sure there was a very valid reason. And they meant well.
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