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powerman - 2013-03-03 10:48 PM that is a assault shotgun

Sense this is the gun thread can we be exact in the words we use?  "Assault" weapons are defined already by law (National Firearms Act of 1934)(NFA) as a weapon that is capable of fully automatic fire OR has a barrel length less than 16" for rifles and 18" for shotguns OR has a device to reduce noise emitted when firing (aka suppressor/silencer). These weapons are regulated by the NFA and considered Class 3 weapons and have significant restrictions and regulations I wont go into here.

So, sense the Benelli M4 does not meet any of the above please to not call it an assault weapon, it is a semi automatic shotgun nothing more or less. 



2013-03-04 7:51 AM
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I'm wondering how long it's going to be before Tony gets a Concealed Carry Permit now that IL is mandated to have one available by June

2013-03-04 10:23 AM
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sea2summit - 2013-03-04 1:53 AM

powerman - 2013-03-03 10:48 PM that is a assault shotgun

Sense this is the gun thread can we be exact in the words we use?  "Assault" weapons are defined already by law (National Firearms Act of 1934)(NFA) as a weapon that is capable of fully automatic fire OR has a barrel length less than 16" for rifles and 18" for shotguns OR has a device to reduce noise emitted when firing (aka suppressor/silencer). These weapons are regulated by the NFA and considered Class 3 weapons and have significant restrictions and regulations I wont go into here.

Come on now, don't let the facts get in the way of a good gun control sound bite.  Anything that fires a projectile is an "Assault Weapon"

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In the spirit of gun threads and shot guns......here's a pic from a hunt I missed 2 weekends ago while I watched my kids at a swim meet.....yeah, that's 1122 geese. Laughing 

It's not a record for our group....but it's close.





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2013-03-04 10:38 AM
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In the spirit of all the shotgun talk, I give you this...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0IVSGctQIg

 

Gotta love Uncle Biden's sage advise!

2013-03-04 10:42 AM
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Aarondb4 - 2013-03-04 11:38 AM

 

In the spirit of all the shotgun talk, I give you this...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0IVSGctQIg

 

Gotta love Uncle Biden's sage advise!



Which one's that:

The easy way to go to jail #1?

or

The easy way to go to jail #2?

He's making it so easy to go to jail, just follow the VP's advice on home defense and *poof* you're there.



2013-03-04 10:52 AM
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I don't know which video that is of the Veep and his advice on shotguns for women and home defense....but his comments are everything that's wrong with the gun debate. 

Alot of the anti-gun side make arguments and give advice very similar to what Biden did, and the folks who are comfortable with guns and their gun rights look at him and wonder what in the hell could possibly be going on in his pea brain to make him say something like that? 

There is no way, after that, to take him seriously in any way. 

2013-03-04 11:07 AM
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It ain't that hard ta watch guys!

 

But anyway the title is Women Take Biden's Advice.

Compilation of women and their not so fun experiences with shotguns. Then a nice clip of a woman enjoying the low recoil and ease of use of an AR.

2013-03-04 11:11 AM
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Aarondb4 - 2013-03-04 12:07 PM

 

It ain't that hard ta watch guys!<



If you're at a place that allows youtube through, I'm sure it isn't.

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Left Brain - 2013-03-04 10:29 AM

In the spirit of gun threads and shot guns......here's a pic from a hunt I missed 2 weekends ago while I watched my kids at a swim meet.....yeah, that's 1122 geese. Laughing 

It's not a record for our group....but it's close.



What happens to them all (the geese I mean)?
2013-03-04 11:24 AM
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Left Brain - Back when I was involved with training retrievers I also did a bit of guiding for duck hunters. I don't figure on conditions more harsh than the mud, ice, river sand, and so on that came with those hunts. The experience cured me of semi's....and I never saw another pump gun that could hold up in those conditions better than an 870. Hands down, no comparisonin my mind.

I grew up not far down the road from Remington Arms in Ilion, NY.  The 870 they made is the best pump shotgun ever made. The Wingmaster is still the great gun it always was, although at a high price point. (Their 700 is the best center fire bolt action rifle IMHO)

The newer 870 Express is a different animal though. Quality suffered in getting the price point down.

Enter the old standby, the Mossberg 500.  I'll grant you not as good as the Wingmaster, but better than the Express at a similar price point, IMHO. The tang safety is fast in the field as well.

Right now, I'm looking at a new CZ over under the Ultralight for grouse hunting.  I think it comes out of Turkey where a lot of shotguns are being made these days. 6LBs with 26" O/U barrels!

Poor Ilion, NY. The state of NY has not been kind to the gun industry.



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sea2summit - 2013-03-04 1:53 AM

powerman - 2013-03-03 10:48 PM that is a assault shotgun

Sense this is the gun thread can we be exact in the words we use?  "Assault" weapons are defined already by law (National Firearms Act of 1934)(NFA) as a weapon that is capable of fully automatic fire OR has a barrel length less than 16" for rifles and 18" for shotguns OR has a device to reduce noise emitted when firing (aka suppressor/silencer). These weapons are regulated by the NFA and considered Class 3 weapons and have significant restrictions and regulations I wont go into here.

So, sense the Benelli M4 does not meet any of the above please to not call it an assault weapon, it is a semi automatic shotgun nothing more or less. 

But of course that's the old language.  Under the new Feinstein bill, the new "assualt weapons" ban, the term "assualt weapon" has been redefined.  And it has been redefined with usch accuracy that they had to explicetly exempt about 850 firearms by name.  Additionally the Feinstein "assualt weapons" ban also bans certain semi automatic shotguns and certain semi automatic hand guns.  So, don't let your common sense and understanding of firearms get in the way of what is going on in D.C., an "assault weapon" is now whatever the government says it is and it's going to banned and if you are grandfathered in then you will have to register your semi auto "assualt weapon" and you can never transfer it even after your death and not even to family memebrs in a will.

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Left Brain - 2013-03-04 10:29 AM

In the spirit of gun threads and shot guns......here's a pic from a hunt I missed 2 weekends ago while I watched my kids at a swim meet.....yeah, that's 1122 geese. Laughing 

It's not a record for our group....but it's close.

 

Eco terrorists....

Just kidding, would have loved to be at that set down supper.     Wink

2013-03-04 11:32 AM
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I love my CZ 75B.  Just sayin'
2013-03-04 11:42 AM
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Big Appa - I love my CZ 75B.  Just sayin'

You should.

What about the BD?

2013-03-04 11:49 AM
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dontracy - 2013-03-04 9:42 AM

Big Appa - I love my CZ 75B.  Just sayin'

You should.

What about the BD?

My buddy has the decocker but I can do it just fine manually.

(just like my sex life)



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Ron - 2013-03-02 9:22 AM

This will be the gun thread...kind of like TAN  Our last little experiment of only allowing one gun thread and freezing the older ones failed - there was even STILL namecalling on that, and who reads sticky notes at the top of forums anyways?  This will be our last attempt at allowing some civil discourse before we just ban the topic all together.  Truthfully our mods work hard, but when they spend 90% of their time babysitting one non-triathlon topic, something is wrong.  We don't want to lose our mods, they make this place great.

One user mentioned that this is such an important issue that the people partaking in the discussion should act like it's an important issue and talk with respect.  Let's try to do that here.

Here's the deal:

1 - All other gun threads accept for this one will be deleted.

2 - ANY name-calling will result in a one week timeout, 2nd offense is 1 month and so on.  Please pm myself or the mods if namecalling is occurring.

Ron's a Jerk! Just kidding. I've been wondering when we'd get one "TAG" or I guess it's "TGT". Which is an artillery abbreviation for the word "Target". How appropriate.

Anyone wanna talk Shotguns? Who makes a good 20 gauge? I used to shoot dove with my grandfather with one and I remember the kick was pretty light. I was thinking of getting one to take my kids out to shoot clays some day (years from now so lots of time for research).

Last time I fired a shotgun was a Benelli Tactical in the Corps. Lots of fun there. I didn't get to fire the Mossberg because I was training on the SMAW at the time.

I don't like Mossbergs.  I really like Benellis though  Vinci and Nova are great little pieces.  I know the Nova (pump) comes in 20 GA.  Beretta makes some great 20 ga too.  Stoeger makes some nice guns, but not as nice as the Benelli or Beretta.  But with a price to match :D .

Stoeger makes a $450 OA 20 ga both in regular size and youth size...  They make the same gun (full size, not youth) in 16 ga, 28 ga, and .410

We've got a tried and true Remington 870 20 ga.  

Benelli's are the bomb, but OMG expensive.  I picked up a Mossberg 930SPX semi auto 12 ga. last year for around $700.  I spent another $150 upgrading the follower, mag tube, and mag spring and it's the bomb.  I've put probably 1500 shells through it with a lot of abuse and it just begs for more.

I carried a Mossberg 500 in the Navy and those things got beat to crap, but always worked.  I'm very confident in it for a home defense Shotty.  Now for long range slug or bird shooting, I have no clue how it compares, but don't care. 

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dontracy - 2013-03-04 11:24 AM

Left Brain - Back when I was involved with training retrievers I also did a bit of guiding for duck hunters. I don't figure on conditions more harsh than the mud, ice, river sand, and so on that came with those hunts. The experience cured me of semi's....and I never saw another pump gun that could hold up in those conditions better than an 870. Hands down, no comparisonin my mind.

I grew up not far down the road from Remington Arms in Ilion, NY.  The 870 they made is the best pump shotgun ever made. The Wingmaster is still the great gun it always was, although at a high price point. (Their 700 is the best center fire bolt action rifle IMHO)

The newer 870 Express is a different animal though. Quality suffered in getting the price point down.

Enter the old standby, the Mossberg 500.  I'll grant you not as good as the Wingmaster, but better than the Express at a similar price point, IMHO. The tang safety is fast in the field as well.

Right now, I'm looking at a new CZ over under the Ultralight for grouse hunting.  I think it comes out of Turkey where a lot of shotguns are being made these days. 6LBs with 26" O/U barrels!

Poor Ilion, NY. The state of NY has not been kind to the gun industry.

Yeah, you are right.  I should have stipulated 870 Wingmaster.  Here's my Wingmaster duck gun, hanging in the tree.  Took it out of the box 15 years ago, replaced the stock and forearm with plastic ones, took sandpaper to the metal, and sprayed it with Krylon....it needs a new coat....and yeah, that's duct tape around the stock.  I used the stock to open a frozen door one morning.....poor choice for cold plastic.

I clean it at the end of the season by running a garden hose over it, take the guts out and run them through the dishwasher.....put it up and wait until next season. 



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Fantastic idea for this thread.  Thanks Ron!
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Left Brain - 2013-03-04 10:29 AM

In the spirit of gun threads and shot guns......here's a pic from a hunt I missed 2 weekends ago while I watched my kids at a swim meet.....yeah, that's 1122 geese. Laughing 

It's not a record for our group....but it's close.

What happens to them all (the geese I mean)?

We turn the vast majority into sausage sticks....but some get left for the coyotes. 

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Left Brain - 2013-03-04 12:58 PM

I clean it at the end of the season by running a garden hose over it, take the guts out and run them through the dishwasher.....put it up and wait until next season. 



More than one buddy of mine do that to their Glocks. Seems to work well enough



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Left Brain - 

Yeah, you are right.  I should have stipulated 870 Wingmaster.  Here's my Wingmaster duck gun, hanging in the tree.  Took it out of the box 15 years ago, replaced the stock and forearm with plastic ones, took sandpaper to the metal, and sprayed it with Krylon....it needs a new coat....and yeah, that's duct tape around the stock.  I used the stock to open a frozen door one morning.....poor choice for cold plastic.

I clean it at the end of the season by running a garden hose over it, take the guts out and run them through the dishwasher.....put it up and wait until next season. 

Nice!

Here's our new gun dog Lacy. The boys and I picked her out this weekend.  Bring her home in three weeks. Springer Spaniel for upland birds mostly.





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Brock Samson - 2013-03-04 12:29 PM

But of course that's the old language.  Under the new Feinstein bill, the new "assualt weapons" ban, the term "assualt weapon" has been redefined.  And it has been redefined with usch accuracy that they had to explicetly exempt about 850 firearms by name.  Additionally the Feinstein "assualt weapons" ban also bans certain semi automatic shotguns and certain semi automatic hand guns.  So, don't let your common sense and understanding of firearms get in the way of what is going on in D.C., an "assault weapon" is now whatever the government says it is and it's going to banned and if you are grandfathered in then you will have to register your semi auto "assualt weapon" and you can never transfer it even after your death and not even to family memebrs in a will.

Hey if I could cut all the other workers pay that work for the same company I do but maintain my pay, I'd probably think I was special too. 

About that whole not able to transfer your guns thing, kind of a sad story I don't have any.  They all went overboard when we where on the house boat a while back. Guess I should start over with non-assault guns...wife is not going to be happy.

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Left Brain - 2013-03-04 12:58 PM I clean it at the end of the season by running a garden hose over it, take the guts out and run them through the dishwasher.....put it up and wait until next season. 
More than one buddy of mine do that to their Glocks. Seems to work well enough

Yep, I use dawn dishwasher detergent and the parts come out grease/oil/gunk free and completely dry.

One note:

After running your gun/parts through the dishwasher it's a good idea to run it again, empty, before your wife looks in there.......don't ask me how I know this, the learning of the information was too painful to go back to in my mind.

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dontracy - 2013-03-04 12:12 PM
Left Brain - 

Yeah, you are right.  I should have stipulated 870 Wingmaster.  Here's my Wingmaster duck gun, hanging in the tree.  Took it out of the box 15 years ago, replaced the stock and forearm with plastic ones, took sandpaper to the metal, and sprayed it with Krylon....it needs a new coat....and yeah, that's duct tape around the stock.  I used the stock to open a frozen door one morning.....poor choice for cold plastic.

I clean it at the end of the season by running a garden hose over it, take the guts out and run them through the dishwasher.....put it up and wait until next season. 

Nice!

Here's our new gun dog Lacy. The boys and I picked her out this weekend.  Bring her home in three weeks. Springer Spaniel for upland birds mostly.

I wish I had time for a new pup......nothing like it.  Enjoy!

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