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2013-11-27 7:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Balancing the materialism of Christmas
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Originally posted by smarti  Um, I'm 36. And capable of deciding how I will teach my daughter what responsible spending looks like and of deciding how I want to handle my own finances this time of year, thank you very much. Except I just said okay and went along with it, yet am sitting her feeling sad (I'm so tired of my decisions not being respected) and angry.

Any advice on how to handle this or what to say? We're already not close or on great terms (frankly, if we weren't related, I'd have nothing to do with them), but they live nearby and I can't just ignore the issue...help!

Which is it?

 

Start by respecting your decisions first.  Everyone else will follow along once you show you're serious. 

 

"We will not participate this year."   Don't argue, don't bargain, don't listen to your mother.   Repeat this line until she gives up.   If she doesn't give up, DON'T GO TO CHRISTMAS.   If you keep giving her free reign to impose her will on you, she will NEVER STOP. 




I know. You're totally right. I become the insecure, fumbling, bumbling child again around her, and I know that's unhealthy and wrong. The Christmas thing is only one example of the messed up relationship/dynamic I have with my family, and that really does need to change. I am really working on being confident in myself and my thoughts and opinions, but man ... it is so hard sometimes. Thanks for the feedback - great food for thought.


2013-11-27 9:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Balancing the materialism of Christmas
I am doing a small group study based on Boundaries (Townsend & Cloud). Your situation is a classic example where you are trying to establish boundaries and someone else (your mother) is not respecting them. You can throw in some manipulation for spice.

You don't have to answer these here, only for yourself (and your husband).

1) What is your husband's opinion of the situation? If the two of you agree on what you want to establish for your own family, it will be easier to deal with your mother, his mother, and everyone else who doesn't share the same philosophy.

2) How important is this for you?

3) What are you and your husband's reasons for choosing the lifestyle you do? Is the concern about 5 pairs of shoes because you cannot afford the $250 to purchase them. Is it a question of storing the shoes? (Maybe your house/apartment is pretty small, and even if you could afford the shoes, you don't have a place to keep them?) Is it a question about taking care of things? (What responsibility do you want your daughter to have putting her things away, and does having 5 pairs of shoes encourage the behavior you want?) Is it a question of being a good steward of Earth's resources?

You've already extended yourself for your brother's wedding (pretty clear from how you described that). Sock's advice to donate to charity won't do any good. (You've already spent more than you wanted and don't want to spend money buying gifts for people you know, why spend that money on people you don't? It won't satisfy her.)

There have been a few more posts since I started this last night.

In the session last Sunday, they talked about some "myths" about setting boundaries.
Boundaries don't hurt people, they protect you from being hurt. What hurts other people is their refusal to accept your boundaries.
Boundaries push people away. No, boundaries are a problem for people who won't respect them, but those people who truly love you will accept them. Those who stay away because they don't like your boundaries weren't really a significant part of your life to begin (and that may include close relatives).

Find a boundary you and your husband can both support. It may mean you skip the "family gathering" instead of subjecting yourselves to the stress from manipulation/guilt/overextending/undermining etc. My guess is that one year of skipping the gathering and being honest with why (I don't want the stress you introduce over exchanging presents) will be enough for you and her to find some solution. It may take a second year if she spends next year lamenting your absence this year, but again be clear (I won't feel guilty standing up for my convictions and I won't put myself or my family in a situation where we feel maniuplated.)

Now I will also suggest that you recognize why your mother wants to shower everyone with presents. It is important to her, and so respect that part of who she is even as you try to limit what she controls in your life.
2013-11-27 11:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Balancing the materialism of Christmas

Good luck, that's a tough situation.  If it were me I'd stick to what you would like especially since you are the parent now.

Christmas as a whole I have been done with for years.  The only thing I enjoy about it now is for our kids who still believe in Santa.  I just don't care for telling my parents or anyone what I would like for Christmas.  Then again I don't want anyone worrying about finding a gift for me.  I would be totally fine with no gifts at all.  I used to love this time of year, the music, the excitement ,hanging out with family and friends.  Now it just depresses me and then I get more depressed that I am depressed about it in the first place.  It's an abnormal merry go round.

 

2013-11-27 2:21 PM
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Last year the boys tried to do the gift exchange thing, but it became hard when they would find some little thing for a brother they didn't draw.  I really do LOVE getting gifts that are given from the heart, but I realize that shopping is not what they like to do.  This year we are kinda focused on giving each other homemade things like bread, hot chocolate mix,etc.  Everybody is buying for the 3 year old (and most of his gifts are 2ndhand (he doesn't care) and therefore we have been able to spend more on him.  Grandson's stocking is a community one, as are stockings.  The limit the boys have set for each other is $5-10.  

The boys have already started talking about things they want to do with grandson over the break (blanket forts and box castles),so I have asked for lots of giggles and  memories.  This will be the first year that our grandson will not spend Christmas with his grandpa (grandpa's choice to spend it with his mom instead of his kids and grandson).  

Usually we draw names off of the tree at our parish but this year we just couldn't justify it, so we are volunteering at a soup kitchen instead.  

Mike is right about boundaries and I have a tough time with those when it comes to my family--like you do--and he would verify that!  My parents are learning that there are some things that I value their opinion on and others I just need them to support me no matter what.  I am definitely testing that concept right now.  

2013-11-27 4:29 PM
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Originally posted by cdban66

I think that a few simple realities of my life are:

  1. Gift giving is in the thought, not the amount.
  2. We do not control another person's reaction.
  3. No more so than they control ours.
  4. The joy is in the giving, not the getting.

So, if their reaction to a gift is based on the amount of $, then that is their problem, not mine. If they get joy giving 5 pairs of shoes that will be outgrown before they are worn out, then why is it my business to take that joy away from them? That is easy to say and hard to put into practice though. I just hope that you are able to teach your daughter about the stuff that matters. Generally what matters is not stuff at all, but the people we have time with.

  If people don't want to contribute to waste or potentially destructive or unsustainable consumption/production practices, this part is tough. 

No doubt about it, we all have a line in the sand, or a part that we just can't stomach.  I completely understand the challenge that one might have in this. 

I look at it from the scope of having shared a room with my Grandfather when I was a teenager. Nothing that he ever gave me when I was young matters now, it was stuff.  Heck, I don't remember what most of it was.  But the time I spent with him matters. It didn't at the time, but as I've gotten older, well, you know how that goes. I'm not saying bend over backwards and get stepped on, just keep in mind that the future brings a ton of change, even in how I feel about the time I spent with my G-Pa.

2013-11-30 1:21 PM
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Subject: RE: Balancing the materialism of Christmas

Thought about this a lot this week. I've never loved Christmas/gifts and it gets worse every year. I'm envious of those posting in the "I LOVE XMAS" thread because I WANT to love it. I love being around my family and Thanksgiving is so awesome because there is no pressure, just a nice meal and conversation and such. But the pressure of buying everyone a gift - both monetary and thoughtfully - is big. I do not naturally see things and say "OH! Mom would love that!" - it does not come easily to me so I have to wrack my brain for months before Christmas or have them send me something specific they want and neither of those situations are ideal, or what I believe to be the intent of Christmas.

It begs the question of - if you are going to tell me exactly what to buy you, or return what I buy you, why don't we just skip it? You spend the money you were going to spend on what YOU want, and I'll do the same? Especially in a family with no little kids (not trying to be a grinch to the little ones) - the ONLY kids in my family are 10 and 13 so I can see getting the kiddos some surprises, but the other 90% of the family who are adults? Seems so silly to hop on this merry-go-round every year.

I brought it up to my parents twice this week about doing a "no-gift" Christmas. They are open - so maybe we will try it next year for the adults.

 



2013-12-01 5:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Balancing the materialism of Christmas
I appreciate everyone's feedback. In fact, I'm going to print out this thread and keep it on me throughout the month for those times when I start to doubt myself - I realize there is a much bigger issue at play here for me, and that is that I continue to let my mother guilt me or manipulate me into spending my time and money in ways that I don't want to. It all comes to a head with Christmas.

I called my brother and explained that we wanted to keep Christmas simple and not do a sibling gift exchange. He and his new wife want to do gifts, so he suggested that we exchange couples gifts instead of individual gifts and put a dollar limit on it. I feel okay about that, because it was our decision and not my parents'. Beyond that, I have a much bigger challenge ahead - figuring out how to have a healthy relationship with my parents. This Christmas thing in itself is a small thing, but it's a tipping point in a lifetime of struggles around the same core issues.

I also appreciate what was written about the Love Languages. I definitely believe my mom's love language is gifts/stuff, and even though I believe her execution of it is super messed up, it does help me understand it a bit. No surprise, gifts is the last language I identify with. I wish she would even attempt to understand me, but I am slowly giving up the fantasy that my parents, especially my mother, will ever be the mom I wish she was. Believe me when I say I have bent and changed and compromised and acquiesced for enough years to feel confident saying that I have tried. But I am no longer willing to try when it's such a dead-end one-way street. Having this knowledge is a bit sad but ultimately empowering.

Thanks again all - and happy holidays!!
2013-12-02 10:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Balancing the materialism of Christmas

Marti, I hope that everything works out for you, but mostly that you stay strong and true to yourself. As hard as it is, there are things in the world we can't fix or change, so our best bet is to change our response. It looks like you are taking that step. Congratulations, and I hope that this season treats you well.

2013-12-02 11:21 AM
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This has been a thought-provoking thread!  Good idea about calling your brother, Smarti, that would have been my suggestion.

I am a known Grinch and have managed to abolish all gift giving in my family (both mine and in-laws) for anyone but kids.    It's great!   We also put a stop to it at work.  So, I have a hard time putting myself in the shoes of someone who, when asked to stop exchanging, says they really want to do something.  Why?  I wonder.   Do they like the surprise of something new?  Is it the tradition?  It is also hard to display enlightened ideas about respect of resources, etc.   Excess is fun and comfortable and a sign of well doing.    

I think it's different for kids who can't take themselves shopping, don't have their own money, etc. Then gifts were really exciting!

 

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