Cliven Bundy - States Rights Patriot or Domestic Terrorist? (Page 3)

I can't claim it.  I channeled Martin Luther King this morning and those are his words.

I didn't listen to any of his statements in context and only saw the snippets of the racial pieces, but all I could think of was; what the heck does this have to do with his cattle grazing on federal land?

I gotta run but you can find it on CNN.......it's priceless. HAHAHAHA!!!

"And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things.."

Mr. Bundy has forgotten the part about slaves being sold and families being ripped apart. And most of US history.

So, you had a dream?

Guys, I did some research and I figured out the reason for his comments.

Mad Cow Disease!

Let him milk it for all it is worth.

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-investigate-cliven-bundy-2014-5

What would the charges be for that?  Brandishing, threatening, WMD?

www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-utah-blm-militia-bundy-20140509-story.html

It would appear that armed standoffs over federal land ownership are on the upswing.  What do you suppose the cost of caring for that land is?  I guess in this case the local government wants to take the land because the locals need the canyon as an ATV track?

The land belongs to the Federal govt.  Like it or not they are the stewards of the land to protect it for the enjoyment of all of us, not just some folks who wants to tear it up with ATV's.  I like ATV's and off road motorcycles.....but we always road where we were allowed to ride, not in protected areas.

Mark my words.....if this keeps up, with citizens pointing rifles at BLM agents doing their lawful duty......someone is going to get killed.  Some moron may say that it will lead to a "revolution", but it won't.....it will lead to more dead idiots.  If you don't like the law you work to change the law.....you don't threaten people doing their jobs by pointing a gun at them.  People will die over this stupid crap.

 From the article SevenZulu posted: "Earlier this week, two men wearing hooded sweatshirts brandished a handgun at a BLM worker driving an agency vehicle, holding up a sign that read, You need to die.”

Yeah, that's not an intelligent thing to do. I can see that escalating very quickly, and it won't end well for the person threatening a Federal official. These people really are idiots.

I just want to know who's protecting the cows now that the moolitia pulled out to Utah.  I guess in the hierarchy, ATV > Cow.

The owner of the land, in this case the Federal govt., gets to decide.  You don't have to like it, and personally I don't always like it either.....but if you want to put law enforcement agents at the barrel of the gun to make your point then get ready to die, because it's not a game if you jeopardize my safety or threaten my life. 

I'm not a big govt. guy, but I'm not for anarchy either.  If you don't like the law then you work to get the law changed.  If you want to use force to get the law changed then prepare for a fight......and in the case of threatening with guns, prepare to die.

From the pictures I have seen, and what I've been reading on law enforcement bulletins, the federal agents have showed remarkable restraint.....probably because many of us in law enforcement can be sympathetic toward people standing up for their rights......but there is a limit, and there is a point where our safety becomes jeopardized.  At that point, someone will get killed.  I fear it's headed in that direction.

Not anymore.....which is why this will end poorly.  You can call pointing guns at law enforcement melodrama all you want....it gets you killed. 

The fact remains, we are a nation of laws.  If you want the laws changed there are avenues to get that done.  Once you take up arms everybody stops listening and prepares for a fight.....that's just life.  

And sorry......as far as getting people's attention this is pretty far down the list....nobody cares about a handful of people who want to take the law into their own hands.  

You and I probably agree more than you realize on these types of issues.....but I've dealt with people like this a time or two....they're extremists and zealots, and probably by this point, like law enforcement who have been dispatched to that area, a lot of them are not locals either, just chit disturbers.

The far left AND the far right can all go jump off a cliff as far as I'm concerned.

LB, the citizens of America own the land and they entrust the Federal government to manage it through the BLM.

Yes, there are laws and the laws need to be followed or changed through the legal process, so I think we're in agreement there.  I do take minor issue with the BLM acting as a heavily armed police force because the infractions related to their charter are all civil in nature.  Break the law and pay a fine.  In the event of somebody like Bundy refusing to follow the law, then you call the police who will show up with force, if necessary.  It seems like virtually every government agency is forming their own police force, which is not a good thing.

I wholeheartedly agree that anyone who points a gun at a government official (of any kind) is not going to turn out well for anyone.  I'm a strong supporter of "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride" mentality.  I'll always comply with any law enforcement entity no matter how wrong or out of line they are.  I'll fight them in court, where my odds of winning are far greater.  

I agree with the bolded part.

As for the "citizens of America own the land".......I agree with that too but the problem there is that you have idiots and groups of idiots that think "own" means they can do whatever they want on the land that also belongs to everyone else.....so I don't like to frame it that way.

my apologies if anyone else is named Cliven, but it is my first encounter with the name.

. The general opinion of the mining community is that the BLM is a bit of a pain, but that the Bundy situation is not doing anyone who uses public lands any good. I am all for the group moving to hold the next Burning Man down there next door to his ranch on BLM land. "multi-use" indeed!

Sigh, I get a bit confused by the prominence of the American flag in pictures of the situation.  Cliven Bundy has stated that he doesn't recognize the federal government which the flag represents.  Of course the folks rallied around Mr. Bundy probably represent a certain amount of diversity.

I do get that Nevada is a very different place from DC.  As an educator, I saw the problems with federal laws when the "No Child Left Behind" policy/legislature was being promoted.  Many of the ideas made sense for big cities but my sisters in Alaska laughed at the ideas of closing down schools with low test scores as often there is only one school in town and these bush schools often struggle to keep teachers.

As a fiscal conservative, I hate to see gov money going to round up these cows.  I've played around with the idea of the government issuing hunting permits for hunting these cows . . .  or . . . hmmm . . . maybe instead some anti federal gov folks could just head out into Basin and Range country and bag themselves some free range organic beef.  To look good to Bundy and his buddies these anti-government hunters could drive an illegal ATV and there we go freedom for all.