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2007-08-10 10:50 AM

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Anybody out there sh!tting bricks about the potential market meltdown that is taking place? The Bank of Canada injected $1.64 billion into the financial system, the Fed has added billions and the European Central bank pumped in $130 billion.

I'm not worried one way or the other, but I'm surprised it hasn't come up in CoJ today.


2007-08-10 10:53 AM
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2007-08-10 10:54 AM
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Nope. 
2007-08-10 10:56 AM
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2007-08-10 10:56 AM
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Are any smart people worried?
2007-08-10 10:57 AM
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Honestly, this is the first I've heard of a global economic/financial crisis, and I get WSJ updates.

The only crisis I've seen mention of recently had to do with the lending industry and sub-prime loans in the US, which is affecting a number of different areas (hedge funds, banks and lenders, the housing market as a whole, and now the automotive markets). 



2007-08-10 11:00 AM
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In all seriousness, I am a buy and hold sort-of-guy... so market fluctuations, even meltdowns, don't worry me, and I'm only 36.  Now if I was of retirement age, then it might.

In fact, I hope the market melts down.  Can you say "buying opportunity?"

2007-08-10 11:04 AM
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The way that I see it, this is just the market correcting itself.

We are clearly in a part of the business cycle where credit is tightening up. I personally see this as a very good thing.

Too many folks with regular incomes and good credit were getting sucked into Alt-A and Sub-Prime loans. Way too many loans were made to folks with "Penciled in Incomes" with "No Doc" loans even when they had a verifiable income stream. (Hint: The Penciled Numbers were way higher than what what would have been verified)

Now it is just time to pay the price for all of this easy money

The really good news is that the panic that seems to be gripping the markets just now is making lots of securities in the equity market really cheap. (Just stay way from Mortgage Backed Securities)



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2007-08-10 11:08 AM
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Dollar cost average, so when the market drops like it has, that’s good.  Actually I hope that every month when the money moves from the bank to the investments that the fund prices have tanked because I want more shares for my money.

2007-08-10 11:09 AM
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tupuppy - 2007-08-10 12:08 PM

Dollar cost average, so when the market drops like it has, that’s good.  Actually I hope that every month when the money moves from the bank to the investments that the fund prices have tanked because I want more shares for my money.



So, do you think the market will continue to grow (overall) in your lifetime?
2007-08-10 11:22 AM
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Opus - 2007-08-10 10:09 AM
tupuppy - 2007-08-10 12:08 PM

Dollar cost average, so when the market drops like it has, that’s good.  Actually I hope that every month when the money moves from the bank to the investments that the fund prices have tanked because I want more shares for my money.

So, do you think the market will continue to grow (overall) in your lifetime?

If you want a good indicator of the market, find a chart of the births in the baby boomers generation (1946-1964) and overlay that with the Dow Jones chart.  If I had time to find those now, I would.  It’s interesting what you see.

From what I’ve learned, on average the market goes in 5 year cycles.  The question is, Where in that cycle are we?  (answers will vary).

EDIT:  Don’t know what effect the Gen X or Gen Y will have on the market.  About 70 Million baby boomers where born, Gen X is about 60 Million, Gen Y is about 80 Million.

 



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2007-08-10 11:39 AM
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Opus - 2007-08-10 12:09 PM

tupuppy - 2007-08-10 12:08 PM

Dollar cost average, so when the market drops like it has, that’s good.  Actually I hope that every month when the money moves from the bank to the investments that the fund prices have tanked because I want more shares for my money.



So, do you think the market will continue to grow (overall) in your lifetime?


What makes you believe that the market will suffer a long term deflation? Historically speaking as said above 5 year cycles (expansion, recession, depression, recovery) occur normally. There is no information out there for you to believe we are in a "crisis"

The banks are putting money into their respective markets (Fed released about 19 billion today) to stabilize cross currency rates so they do not fluctuate drastically due to concerns of liquidity, suplly etc. Across time you will see that they do this normally on down ticks and pull money out of the supply in upward ticks.

Don't worry about a small market correction. Concerns of credit like this happen. Remember the S&L's of the 80's? If you live in Texas I bet you do.
2007-08-10 11:43 AM
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If you're a day trader, I hope you're short.

Of course if you're a day trader you're probably dumb enough to deserve what you get.

Leaf has it right -- go long pretty much any market that matches inflation and you'll be OK in the long-term. Prices will always rise over time and the ol'-timers like railroads and foods will go up over the years. Ask Warren Buffet.
2007-08-10 11:52 AM
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I’m more concerned about how the media blows this stuff our of proportion and scares the heck out of the average person and they end up doing stupid stuff out of this anxiety that is shoved down their throats.

 

The average person buys high and sells when it tanks.  Yeah, the goes against what we were even taught in high school

 

If I recall my Warren Buffet quote correctly, I think it was (or at least part of it):  When the average investor panics, I start buying.

2007-08-10 11:53 AM
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Not too long ago I had jack squat.

If I go back there, not a problem.

ETA: This "mortgage meltdown" surely can't be surprising anyone given the growth rate of mortgage debt relative to wages over the last decade.

 



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You mean you have no sympathy for those folks that sucked all of the equity out of their home with Interest Only "Flex" Loans and wagered Invested it all in the stock market on Margin?

I was told by more than one Mortgage Broker that this was a very saavy investment strategy and based on past performance of the stock market, was guaranteed not to lose.

I am certain that the flood of margin calls in the coming days will shake things out even better.



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2007-08-10 11:58 AM
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WaterDog66 - 2007-08-10 10:54 AM

You mean you have no sympathy for those folks that sucked all of the equity out of their home with Interest Only "Flex" Loans and wagered Invested it all in the stock market on Margin?

I was told by more than one Mortgage Broker that this was a very saavy investment strategy and based on past performance of the stock market, was guaranteed not to lose.

I am certain that the flood of margin calls in the coming days will shake things out even better.

Thank you for that.  I’d been thinking of getting my investment licensing back (Series 6 and 63) and that post is just more fuel to the flame to do so.  So many people are being taken advantage of and I can get back in that field to be a truth teller and help people (much better than I can being an engineer). 

2007-08-10 12:04 PM
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2007-08-10 12:06 PM
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spokes - 2007-08-10 11:04 AM
tupuppy - 2007-08-10 9:58 AM
WaterDog66 - 2007-08-10 10:54 AM

You mean you have no sympathy for those folks that sucked all of the equity out of their home with Interest Only "Flex" Loans and wagered Invested it all in the stock market on Margin?

I was told by more than one Mortgage Broker that this was a very saavy investment strategy and based on past performance of the stock market, was guaranteed not to lose.

I am certain that the flood of margin calls in the coming days will shake things out even better.

Thank you for that. I’d been thinking of getting my investment licensing back (Series 6 and 63) and that post is just more fuel to the flame to do so. So many people are being taken advantage of and I can get back in that field to be a truth teller and help people (much better than I can being an engineer).

Or a transportation planner. Not to knock where you work, but man, I see a lot of traffic impact studies from consultants that WAY lowball the trip generation #ers. Not surprising, as the developers want to get easy approvals for their develops. 'Tis the way of things.  

BITE YOUR TONGUE!!!!!  more like Transportation Guessers.

Now back to the original topic....................

2007-08-10 12:07 PM
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tupuppy - 2007-08-10 12:52 PM

I’m more concerned about how the media blows this stuff our of proportion and scares the heck out of the average person and they end up doing stupid stuff out of this anxiety that is shoved down their throats.

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don't get me started on the media and/or marketing folks and their use of fear to sell you their product or get you to read/watch. financial stuff, the food you eat, terrorism, identity theft, home security systems, vaccines in kids and autism, the list goes on and on...

oops. I got started. I will stop now.



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2007-08-10 12:13 PM
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Glad to be able to help



2007-08-10 12:19 PM
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The average person buys high and sells when it tanks.  Yeah, the goes against what we were even taught in high school

Their really is a lot of truth in this statement. There are several very interesting indicators in the market that attempt to measure when individual investers start buying. (It is usually seen as a sign that the run of a bull market is about done)

One of the more interesting indicator is "Odd Lot" trading (I think the WSJ still publishes this number).

The theory is that institutional investers buy and sell in 100 share lots while individuals (John Q. Public) rarely do this. They purchase equities in odd number of shares. (Usually because they do not have enough to invest in 100 shares at a time)

2007-08-10 12:28 PM
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newleaf - 2007-08-10 12:07 PM
tupuppy - 2007-08-10 12:52 PM

I’m more concerned about how the media blows this stuff our of proportion and scares the heck out of the average person and they end up doing stupid stuff out of this anxiety that is shoved down their throats.

x2

don't get me started on the media and/or marketing folks and their use of fear to sell you their product or get you to read/watch. financial stuff, the food you eat, terrorism, identity theft, home security systems, vaccines in kids and autism, the list goes on and on...

oops. I got started. I will stop now.

 You mean the media is not looking out for our best interests?  They don't report only the news?  THEY ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A HYPE MACHINE?!?!?!  SAY IT AIN"T SO!

2007-08-10 1:01 PM
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I am a bit concerned.  My husband works for a credit card company that also offers home mortgages.  Not surprisingly, their stock is dropping rapidly.  They already had to cut costs a lot this year and they did that by re-organizing the company.  I'm concerned about what happens if the stock continues to drop and what that means for his job.
2007-08-10 1:36 PM
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I'll refrain from posting except to say that blaming the media because you received bad investment advice or bought into the hype isn't going to bring back your nestegg.

On that note, I'm out of my `hype-producing office' onto an airplace to head back home. See you all Monday when I can cause everybody to lose their money by forcing them to make bad decisions and not have the wherewithal to give their investments due investigations before making them!!!



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