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 2008-10-06 6:47 PM |
Champion  7163     Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! |  Subject: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners.....I have been running for 6 years and only recently started biking, swimming and doing Sprint tris. I am starting to look at hiring a triathlon coach to prepare for the '09 season with the goal of longer distance events (1/2IM in late July). One thing I am hearing is that I should prepare to get slower running while I ramp up more on the bike. It was also recommended that I take some time off (3-4 weeks) from running right after Boston while I gear up for the other sports. Have other people approached things this way? what happened? I am sorry if I sound a little paranoid, but the thought of getting slower doesn't sound very appealing .
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| 2008-10-06 7:10 PM in reply to: #1722176 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... Horsecrap ...... as long as you continue to train at the same levels you did before, you will only stay the same or improve. |
| 2008-10-06 7:14 PM in reply to: #1722176 |
Champion 5782 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... Nah. I've gotten progressively faster as a runner over the 18 months I've been doing tri training (which includes one HIM). Edited by tcovert 2008-10-06 7:15 PM |
| 2008-10-06 7:17 PM in reply to: #1722267 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... Daremo - 2008-10-06 8:10 PM Horsecrap ...... as long as you continue to train at the same levels you did before, you will only stay the same or improve. That's the trick. If you were a high-mileage runner before hand, you're probably going to see a drop, because it's probably difficult to get in the same volume, at least at first. |
| 2008-10-06 8:43 PM in reply to: #1722301 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... Scout7 - 2008-10-06 7:17 PM Daremo - 2008-10-06 8:10 PM Horsecrap ...... as long as you continue to train at the same levels you did before, you will only stay the same or improve. That's the trick. If you were a high-mileage runner before hand, you're probably going to see a drop, because it's probably difficult to get in the same volume, at least at first. That is the exact point that she made. I am a high mileage year-round runner and she said that would have to change if I was commited to becoming more proficient in three sports for the '09 season. I guess I was hoping that I could maintain the one thing I am good at while improving in the things that need more work. Edited by SSMinnow 2008-10-06 8:45 PM |
| 2008-10-06 8:53 PM in reply to: #1722176 |
Master 1741 Chapel Hill, NC | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... Even if your run level remained the same (i.e., pace in training), you can't expect to get the same pace in a HIM that you do in a 1/2 mary. Riding a bike 56 miles takes alot out of you! Just mentally be prepared for that! |
| 2008-10-06 8:59 PM in reply to: #1722176 |
Champion 5345 Carlsbad, California | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... No, not inevitable. I believe it is a realistic goal to not only maintain run fitness as a Triathlete, but continue to improve Edited by WaterDog66 2008-10-06 9:05 PM |
| 2008-10-06 9:07 PM in reply to: #1722558 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... keyone - 2008-10-06 8:53 PM Even if your run level remained the same (i.e., pace in training), you can't expect to get the same pace in a HIM that you do in a 1/2 mary. Riding a bike 56 miles takes alot out of you! Just mentally be prepared for that! That part I can totally understand. My stand alone 5K is far faster than my 5K in a sprint. What I would hate to see is my 1/2 Mary PR go from 1:39 to 1:4X because I took up more intense triathlon training. |
| 2008-10-06 9:11 PM in reply to: #1722176 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... Runner since 1976. Just finished my third season in tris with no prior bike or swim experience. Half marathon PR of 1:17 in my second season of tris. Don't listen to the "rules". Good luck. |
| 2008-10-06 9:28 PM in reply to: #1722176 |
Master 1686 Royersford, PA | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... Personally my 5k, 10k, and Half marathon times have gotten faster, but my marathon times have gotten slower. Cutting the total milage isn't nesseccarily a bad thing as you are putting less wear and tear on your legs and still working the engine. But in the really long runs, the lack off miles has had an impact (for me). Of course the real question is what is your priority? If you want a good HIM you need to trade alot of run miles for bike time and pool time and your marathon may suffer. If a certain marathon is your top priority, I may put off the HIM and go shorter till you have a larger chuck of time between marathons and get your speed back. |
| 2008-10-06 9:47 PM in reply to: #1722176 |
Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... I think it depends on the person. I have actually gotten faster as a runner since starting triathlon and set a 5K and 10K PR this year during tris. I've also tended to be faster on my long runs. It may be because I'm more committed to training now than I was as a stand alone runner or it may be better overall fitness from biking and running. |
| 2008-10-07 5:10 AM in reply to: #1722627 |
Expert 1183 Fort Wayne, IN | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... Birkierunner, How are your knees holding up? I've been running since 1974 and my knees aren't what they used to be. They get pretty sore, especially after long runs. Sometimes it's not really soreness, but I'm just "aware" of them, if that makes sense. I also get varying degrees of pain when I squat down. |
| 2008-10-07 6:47 AM in reply to: #1722176 |
Expert 1743 Glen Burnie, Maryland | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... I agree with most here. I was a long time runner (though not very fast). This is my second year in triathlon and my running fitness and speed are better than ever. I chalk it up to the cross training benefits of biking and swimming making up for the running volume I used to put in. I'm switching gears to train for a 50K in March so I'm curious to see how my body reacts to going back to a running focus. |
| 2008-10-07 7:11 AM in reply to: #1722176 |
| Regular 75 | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... I didn't lose any speed at the shorter distances, but lost the desire to train for fast marys and half marys. Tri training is so much more fun!
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| 2008-10-07 8:24 AM in reply to: #1722176 |
| Regular 357 | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... Only time you'll ever be slower is off the bike! I've found that the biking and running has only helped fuel my cardio system, which has definitely helped my running. If you can't fit in all the running that you used to do, in addition to your new swim/bike workouts, just aim for quality miles over quantity -- give every run a purpose. Oh, and taking 3-4 weeks off after Boston wouldn't help. Last spring, I lost a lot of running time to injury, and that definitely didn't help my results! |
| 2008-10-07 8:34 AM in reply to: #1722176 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... SSMinnow - 2008-10-06 6:47 PM not necessarely; since training load = volume + intensity you could very well sustain your speed by doing a more intensity due to the lack of volume. I have been running for 6 years and only recently started biking, swimming and doing Sprint tris. I am starting to look at hiring a triathlon coach to prepare for the '09 season with the goal of longer distance events (1/2IM in late July). One thing I am hearing is that I should prepare to get slower running while I ramp up more on the bike. It was also recommended that I take some time off (3-4 weeks) from running right after Boston while I gear up for the other sports. Have other people approached things this way? what happened? I am sorry if I sound a little paranoid, but the thought of getting slower doesn't sound very appealing .
But in general it is only natural to lose some fitness in one sport while you spend more time on other sports (swim/bike) but you also have to change your menatality a bit when it comes to TRIathlon running. no matter what in traithlon races your running speed will be relative slower of what you can do at the same distance in a open run race. The catch is how fast you can run given your training load after swimming and biking. |
| 2008-10-07 3:08 PM in reply to: #1722176 |
New user 19 | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... I just did 2 Sprint Tri's within the last month, and had been training more on the bike and in the pool. My max run mileage for a week was only 15 miles over the course of about 3 months. On a whim, I ran a 1/2 marathon on Sunday and finished sub-2 hours on hilly course at Red Rock Canyon, top 1/3 overall. I did it for fun, but ended up being quite pleased with my performance and how I felt during the race. I believe that all the bike miles I put in helped tremendously on the run. I guess for me, I can train harder with the 3 disciplines and increase my overall fitness more than only running. But now I'm going to go into full marathon training for the Las Vegas Marathon in December. |
| 2008-10-07 3:18 PM in reply to: #1722176 |
Master 1920 Ann Arbor, MI | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... If you're running Boston, biking more will definitely help your time there, because it strengthens your quads for those hills- and I don't mean the uphill! Going downhill for so long hurts, and cycling helped. I BQed with a 3:39 in June of '06, then started doing tri's in July, and by April '07, with the quick addition of biking and swimming, I ran a 3:21 at Boston. My running times have continued to improve since. |
| 2008-10-07 5:40 PM in reply to: #1722176 |
| Fishers, IN | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... The cross training, particularly what you get on the bike will carry over quite well. I was high mileage runner and dropped out the "over distance" aka recovery runs and used the other sports to get the aerobic benefit. I try to sprinkle in a bit more up tempo on most of my runs. I am not far off of peak running shape and could get there pretty quickly with a little focus. My heart rate is way, 5-7 bpm, lower at a given run pace than it was before the tri training. With some additional speed work I think I could see new PRs on the run. |
| 2008-10-07 8:36 PM in reply to: #1722176 |
Expert 655 Muncie, IN | Subject: RE: Is it inevitable? For those that started as runners..... I can say that I've only gotten quicker in the run as I've added more bike training. I think that there are some great benefits with the cross training really between all 3 disciplines. I'm currently training for a marathon and have done mostly running. I can't wait to get back to a more balanced workout week as I think I perform better in all 3 with the cross training. |
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