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2006-06-29 5:46 AM

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Subject: Another pool etiquette question:
My pool was pretty busy this AM.  Every lane already had two people in it. I was getting ready on the bench, and someone indicates they're all done.  Cool.  I go and sit with my legs in the pool on the wall, and get my goggles on etc... The lady still doing laps doesn't appear to see me as I have to pull my legs out of her way as she does a flip turn (I was already way to the right against the rope).  No problem, it's her lane at the moment, but I want to get her attention as she's doing circle laps in the "medium/fast lane" but she's swimming "medium/slow".  I want to ask her to split the lane, as that would be a lot easier to manage IMO.  I wait a couple more laps, and then realize she's not going to acknowledge me, so I jump in, give her a head start, and start my swim.  I'm not terribly speedy, but I catch up to her pretty quickly, and have to wait - do some breast stroke etc... I try again and same thing.  I've never passed anyone going in the same direction in a lane before.  Is this the appropriate time to start?


2006-06-29 5:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
If there's no one coming the other way I'd not hesitate to pass her, even if there is someone swimming towards you and you think you can make it I'd go for it. You could tap her toes to indicate this (but personally I can't stand it when people do this).

Another alternative is to wait until she's at the other end of the pool and then restart your swimming in the hope you don't catch her. That's probably what you meant by splitting the lane?

Perhaps joining a masters or swim group would do the trick. You'll find the pecking order well established there!
2006-06-29 8:01 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
Hmm - Good thoughts. I did join the master swim class offered over the winter, and found it very beneficial. I don't think they offer one over the summer, though. Meantime, I just need to get a couple of laps in a couple times a week. My definition of "splitting" a lane is when one person takes one side, and stays on that side while the other person stays on the other side. Excellent option if people are not the same speed. This woman seemed intent on doing the couter-clockwise thing - not that that's bad - it is, in fact the default option. But, even when I waited for her to be well on her way back to me so that I had a long way to go to catch her, I would catch her within two laps. Again, I'm not fast, but this woman was pretty slow - she could probably swim at that pace for miles, and miles, but it was a fairly slow pace....What would you do?
2006-06-29 8:35 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:

Well I'll answer the question from the other side.

I'm slow (2:30 per 100 over distance) so I don't pass much, I get passed.  That said, I don't mind getting passed at all, as long as it is in a consistent manner.  If I'm in the middle of a 1k rhythm when someone wants to split the lane I will probably notice them get in but not break my stroke to acknowledge them much. 

If this were me I probably would have naturally split the lane as you suggest.  However, I have been passed before, split the lane, and then the person is doing the follow and pass thing instead of splitting the lane.  I'm fine with that too as long as I know what to expect.

I also hate the toe tap thing.  I would prefer to just get passed.

I'm not sure from what you relate here but is it also possible she didn't have much practice in splitting lanes?  I know when I first started I had no clue so I tried to just hold a straight line and figure out what the better swimmer wanted me to do.  Now that I have a small clue I at least know what to expect and can acknowledge people better without stopping.

 Just my thoughts from the slow end 8)

2006-06-29 8:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
If there are two of you in the lane, you each take half a lane and can go back and forth that way. It is much easier to deal with than trying to do circuitous loops and worry about running into feet.

The onyl time they do loops in the lane at our pool is if there are three or more people in the lane (only occasionally).
2006-06-29 8:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
Splitting is fine if the pool isn't busy, but it sounds like it was, so I would discourage lane splitting. The problem there is if a 3rd person wants to get in your lane, they have to make sure that at least one of you is aware of their presence as they also then try to split your lane, or get both of you to acknowledge and then switch to a circle swim. Sounds like it was hard to get the other woman to acknowledge, so it's probably smart to stick with the circle.

As for the slowness, stay on your wall until she's like 5 feet from getting to you and then push off. Now you have almost two lengths of the pool to catch her. Sure, you probably still will, but it won't be often and if you do have to, no biggie, just go by and make sure you have full clearance before slipping back in front of her.

I'm not fast ~1:50-2:00/100, but I have some real slow people at my pool and sometimes even pass them on every lap. No one's ever complained, and I don't mind either. I use it like fartlek training. Smooth and then a short sprint.


2006-06-29 9:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
I would have been frustrated.  Pool ediquette is that you split the lane when there are 2 people, and you do circles when there are more.  If she is accomplished enough to be swimming lengths, then she knows what is expected of her.  Why should you both have a stressfull swim, when you each could take a side and swim at your own pace.
2006-06-29 9:55 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:

If she's really slow and won't split the lane, I'd either use it as a fartlek - like an above poster said, or switch to a faster lane, even if it's more crowded. It sounds like she really, really didn't want to be bothered.

2006-06-29 10:03 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
I might have been more bold by standing in the water in the middle of the lane until she HAD to stop and acknowledge the presence of another swimmer. Then I would have said something like, "Sorry to disturb your swim, but I just wanted to make sure you realized there was another swimmer in the lane, and I thought it would be great if we could split the lane so I don't mess you up any more than I already have (all said good-naturedly, of course)." That way I wouldn't have to worry about having to slow my swim down or mess her up by continually passing/running into her... If another swimmer shows up, then it would be up to the two swimmers already in the lane to graciously offer to circle swim.


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2006-06-29 11:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:

Just pass her.  It's not that big of a deal.

IMO, she should stop and ask if you want to split, but she didn't - so since she was the first swimmer there - follow what she's doing.

If you are coming up on her with enough space for you to pass and get to the wall before she does, just speed up a little and pass her, hit the wall before she does and then you're back to normal until you catch up again. 

If there's not enough space for you to pass her cause she's almost to the wall, just turn around in the pool and go back the other way.  Or wait till you've turned around and just pass her as above.

Both are good ways to work on speed in the middle of a long set.  When it's me passing (rare event) I try and focus on my pull as I'm passing - and then getting back into my regular swim rhythm as soon as possible after the pass.

2006-06-29 11:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
Get a candy bar from the vending machine and drop it in the pool in front of her as she was about to turn. When she stops, look at it and point. Then look at her and say, "DOODIE!" really loud. She gets the boot, you take then lane, while no one is looking you eat the fake poopie. Works every time.


2006-06-29 12:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
When you pass her, drop a fist to the back of her head -- that will get her attention (sarcasm off).

Just use common sense man. Most of these issues can be dealt with if you just think it through. Pool etiquette says you are nice to people in your lane. Use that as your base and make your decisions from there.

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2006-06-29 12:03 PM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:

What would you do?

I would jump in the lane and stand where it would prevent her from doing the next flip turn until she acknowledged me.  Then I would ask which side she preferred, ok, I'll take the other side.

 I can tell long before I get to the wall that someone wants in the lane.  There's no reason not to acknowledge someone who's waiting, and if you take 5 seconds of her time, so what?

 

2006-06-29 1:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:

It does seem that the issue is not "what to do?" but her lack of acknowledgement.  Any discussions of what to do have to stem from there.

To talk about etiquette requires that one would actually acknowledge the other... if not, I totally like the fake poopie solution. 

Peace. 

2006-06-29 1:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:

Bluejack - 2006-06-29 11:48 AM Get a candy bar from the vending machine and drop it in the pool in front of her as she was about to turn. When she stops, look at it and point. Then look at her and say, "DOODIE!" really loud. She gets the boot, you take then lane, while no one is looking you eat the fake poopie. Works every time.

 Simple and elegant solution...

OK maybe not elegant but I like it anyway.

8)

2006-06-29 1:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
Just yell CANNON BALL and follow it up with one!!

Actually, as far as lack of acknowledgement goes I personally don't know if I'd see you in front of me but I know I'd see you next to me if you passed me.

I'd prefer you passed me. I would make adjustments at that point.


2006-06-29 2:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
if you are feeling particularly evil, you can pass them and not even break stroke.
as you come up behind the "lane hog" you grab their ankle and begin to pull down. as you start to swim over them, reach up with your recovery arm and push their head down underneith as you swim over. with practice, you can do this move without even breaking stroke.
of course, this may not make many friends at the pool, but i doubt they will get in your way again
how does that sarcasm font work again....
2006-06-29 3:14 PM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
Ah man, sounds like people at your pool at least realize that the lap lanes are for swimming laps.

At my pool, there are 6 lanes, divided into three sections - fast, medium, and slow/walking.

When I get to the pool in the morning, there are usually about 6-10 old women in the slow section bobbing along, socializing, sometimes just hanging out. In the medium lane there are 3-5 old men who should really be in the slow section. Walking, dog paddling, etc. Big signs at the end that say "No Walking in these lanes", but most of them don't speak english, so I doubt they can read it.

And then there are the folks swimming 5000m in, oh, 30 minutes in the fast lane. I don't want to slow these speed demons down, so I usually end up in the Medium lanes dodging the walkers as I go.

Sometimes I think I should give them all foam paddles so they can whack at me as I swim by, just for that OWS experience :-)

2006-06-29 5:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:

if the olds are bugging you swim past them super fast and kick really hard. its soon pisses them off and they move.

 

as for the op - tbh if i was doing a timed swim i wouldn't want to stop and discuss lane etiquette - just get in, do your own thign and pass as nicely as possible.



Edited by sappho96 2006-06-29 5:56 PM
2006-06-30 9:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
You guys crack me up! Thanks for the thoughts!
2006-06-30 11:11 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
Option A: Swim up behind the person if you catch them, grab their ankle real good and tight like and give a nice hard yank. They go backwards and you go flying past. I love this one.

Option B: Put you paddles on, make sure you sharpen them up first on the pool deck, and then just go. No one likes getting whacked with sharp wildly flying paddles.

Option C: Wait until your done your warm up and just good old fashion communication. You will figure it out.

In my younger years options A & B would always prevail. I would sometimes us a combination of the both.

Now that I am a little wiser I prefer to civilly communicate. It makes life easier on both parties!

Have fun!


2006-06-30 11:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Another pool etiquette question:
Karis- From a swimmers prospective, I'd be pissed, but if it were just an older rec swimmer, that would probably be cool.

I cant remember who made the last post, but the Sharp paddles comment cracked me up. I remember age group swimming and i always whacked people with my paddles.


immyfish- you're better off just passing and charging ahead. if it were a swimmer and you cna tell (ie masters swimmer etc) give a toe tap. I get lost in my thought in long 3000+ yard sets and am oblivious to everything but My 99 bottles of beer on the wall song (i repeat the number for every lap down starting at the top ), but DO NOT stop me. There would be hell to pay.

or, jsut get into another lane with 2 people already in it. 3 people in a lane is not crowded Senior nat'l warm ups with 15 in a lane is crowded
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