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2008-10-17 9:04 AM

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Subject: Biking with or Against Traffic
The thread on running with or against traffic has me thinking the same for biking.

I am luck to have direct access from my house to a 10 mile bike path - however I am wanting to do longer bike rides and getting tired of doing loops on the same path.

I had read an article that for bike safety you should ALWAYS ride with traffic. Ideally I would like to ride against it to see upcoming cars but think this might be wrong.

What are people's thoughts on this???

I know that LEGALLY I am suppose to ride with traffic.


2008-10-17 9:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Biking with or Against Traffic

The logic as to why to run with traffic varies vs why not to ride into it, primarily since a head on collision between someone going 20mph on a bike and a 40mph car is gonna hurt a lot more then a 20mph bike getting clipped by a 40mph car.  Not a pretty picture and not a good idea at all even though you can see the flaming death a' comin.

2008-10-17 9:09 AM
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2008-10-17 9:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Biking with or Against Traffic
JeepFleeb - 2008-10-17 10:09 AM

Running is a lot different than cycling.  If you're running and can see a car coming, you've got a chance to get out of the way.

On a bike you have much less control and you can't just jump over a few feet to the side if you see danger.



x2....thus why I run against traffic and ride with....
2008-10-17 9:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Biking with or Against Traffic

When i was back at home, i would always ride the transcanada highway north of lake superior!! GOOOOOD RIDING! and im pretty sure its illegal to ride against traffic.....always ride with traffic and with a helmet.

2008-10-17 9:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Biking with or Against Traffic

If you want to be treated like a vehicle, you need to act like a vehicle, meaning follow the rules. They're there not to make you bow down to the man, but to establish order in a chaotic world. Other vehicles would not expect you to be riding the "wrong" way, putting you at risk. As a quick example, a vehicle coming out of the side street and turning right may just look to the left for oncoming vehicles in the lane. You, the outlaw, would be coming from the right, and get smacked.



2008-10-17 9:17 AM
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I see this all the time around my area and it drives me nuts.  For as much effort as we put behind the "cyclists have a right to the road as much as cars", riding against traffic completely undermines that argument.  Granted, the people I see doing it are not cyclists in the manner that we commonly consider them, the fact that they are much more prevalent reinforces many driver's belief that bicycles belong on the sidewalk.

Running against traffic, especially in the road, is done for safety so you can see who is coming and they become more aware of your presence.

Riding with traffic is done because, in the road, you are considered a moving vehicle.
2008-10-17 9:21 AM
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Subject: RE: Biking with or Against Traffic

I always ride with traffic. 

One example of the danger of riding opposite traffic:  If you are a motorist stopped at an intersection looking to make a right turn, the natural inclination is to look left for oncoming traffic.  Yes, we should all be aware of anything approaching from our right, but in reality we are not expecting a 'vehicle' to be coming at us in the 'wrong' direction as we make the turn.  Could end in a nasty collision. 

Just one example.  Takehome message: Ride where motorists are expecting to see you.

ETA: Nevermind, already discussed.  Took too long to post.



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2008-10-17 9:38 AM
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Always ride with traffic, physics back up the idea. If you're moving toward a car there will be more force involved in the crash than if you're moving away from the car

God forbid something like that happens...but it's good to know

2008-10-17 9:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Biking with or Against Traffic
Bicycle is considered a moving vehicle in pretty much all states.  As such, you "must" obey the laws of the road.  Yes, this means you can be ticketed and it can go against your driving record.  Does it happen?  Not often, but it can ......
2008-10-17 9:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Biking with or Against Traffic
Not only that, but if there is minimal shoulder and the vehicles have to swerve around you a bit, you'll definitely want to be riding with traffic. Those cars who have to move around you a little bit won't be dashing out in the other lane like they would be if you were against traffic. 


2008-10-17 9:48 AM
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Daremo - 2008-10-17 10:41 AM Bicycle is considered a moving vehicle in pretty much all states.  As such, you "must" obey the laws of the road.  Yes, this means you can be ticketed and it can go against your driving record.  Does it happen?  Not often, but it can ......

They are in NJ:

39:4-14.2, 39:4-10.11 Operating Regulations.
Every person riding a bicycle on a roadway shall ride as near to the right roadside as practicable exercising due care when passing a standing vehicle or one proceeding in the same direction. A bicyclist may move left under any of the following conditions: 1) To make a left turn from a left turn lane or pocket; 2) To avoid debris, drains, or other hazardous conditions on the right; 3) To pass a slower moving vehicle; 4) To occupy any available lane when traveling at the same speed as other traffic; 5) To travel no more than two abreast when traffic is not impeded, but otherwise ride in single file. Every person riding a bicycle should ride in the same direction as vehicular traffic.

In New Jersey, the law states a bicyclist must obey all state and local automobile driving laws. A parent may be held responsible for the child’s violation of any traffic law.

2008-10-17 9:55 AM
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Subject: RE: Biking with or Against Traffic
Not yet stated, but important, if you are going against traffic on a bike and another bike is going with traffic and there are a fair number of cars in that lane, what happens to the two bikers? Chicken at high stakes, you either head on with the bike, one eats gravel or one eats car.
2008-10-17 10:20 AM
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Thanks everyone I appreciate all the good advice!

2008-10-17 10:36 AM
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I am also guessing it is illegal to ride against traffic.  If you think about bike against traffic going 20mph heading towards a car going 50 you have very little time to make a move.  If you are going with traffic though it give the car much more time to react.
2008-10-17 10:38 AM
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It is very very very scary for me to either be driving or riding with a bike going against the flow of traffic. I have accidently done it (me on a bike that is) a handfull of times and felt like I was a dead man. When I am driving and I see a bike going against the flow of traffic I think, "what a friggin idiot." I mean run stop signs, jump on the sidewalk, pass cars at red light, ride through the crosswalk, but man, do not ride against traffic. I absolutely freak out when I see someone against traffic, especially on a highway.

I mean if I am going 110 and you are going 30 then we are coming at each other at 140 km/hour, are you kidding me. If I am over taking you then I am only overtaking you at 80 km an hour. I mean, that is almost twice as fast, or it seems twice as fast.

(yeah, not sure if that is how math works but you get the drift)


2008-10-17 10:41 AM
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Wolff27 - 2008-10-17 10:04 AM The thread on running with or against traffic has me thinking the same for biking. I am luck to have direct access from my house to a 10 mile bike path - however I am wanting to do longer bike rides and getting tired of doing loops on the same path. I had read an article that for bike safety you should ALWAYS ride with traffic. Ideally I would like to ride against it to see upcoming cars but think this might be wrong. What are people's thoughts on this??? I know that LEGALLY I am suppose to ride with traffic.

Ride with traffic.

2008-10-17 10:45 AM
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It's illegal here to ride against traffic. Where I live if you're on a bike on the road you are considered the same as a motorized vehicle. You can contact your local transportation department and I'm sure they'd be more than happy to send you information on all things regarding riding your bike around town.

But that said, people are still jack a**es to cyclists. I'll be riding on a two land, country road that is hardly busy and cars will still not get over into the other lane to pass--and that's why I ride in the road, it forces them to go around you without slowing them down much. And it's perfectly legal here. Some states that's not the case though.
2008-10-17 10:48 AM
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I tend to run against traffic and ride with traffic.... people aren't paying attention either way.. there too busy texting, reading the paper(or book), or having a heated conversation on there cellphones.. i have more of a mental workout than physical, because i'm trying to figure out an out route in case of an oh! sh!@#moment!!!

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2008-10-17 10:50 AM
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always always always ALWAYS with traffic...... Ticket those that don't! They kill it for everyone!
2008-10-17 12:17 PM
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RUN against traffic.

RIDE with traffic.

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2008-10-17 12:21 PM
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Ride with traffic. It is the law and it makes sense: that's a strange combination :-)
2008-10-17 3:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Biking with or Against Traffic

I agree with the concensus that biking should always be with traffic, but that brings up another question.  Should one hug the shoulder or ride a few feet off the shoulder.

When riding alone, I typically ride close to the shoulder which allows cars to come by without slowing much, but when riding in a group we typically take up a little more space.  This seems to MAKE a vehicle slow down and actually make a pass rather than try to pass the line at higher speeds.

2008-10-17 3:25 PM
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on a bike, ride with traffic. you are traffic. pretend like you are a motorcycle. at 50mph down a hill you certainly should feel more like a motorcycle than a pedestrian.

anyway - like many have mentioned - most local jurisdictions have rules requiring bikes go with traffic and for good reason.
2008-10-17 3:29 PM
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Plainsman AU - 2008-10-17 2:09 PM
When riding alone, I typically ride close to the shoulder which allows cars to come by without slowing much, but when riding in a group we typically take up a little more space.  This seems to MAKE a vehicle slow down and actually make a pass rather than try to pass the line at higher speeds.


Giving yourself some distance from the edge of the road is practical because it gives you room for error. I agree that it encourages drivers to slow down and then make a deliberate pass rather than just blowing by. It seems to make some drivers anrgy, but again it seems like that little bit of space form the shoulder helps avoid riding your bike into the ditch when the car does pass. I think the requirement to stay as far right as practical does accomodate a reasonable buffer.
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