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2008-12-12 8:26 AM

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Subject: High end kitchen knives

I'm looking for opinions and recommendations on high end kitchen knives. I want to buy one knife that will be the workhorse in my kitchen.  So help me out here - Henckels vs. Wusthoff? Santoku vs. Chef? 6"/7"/8"?

Also, is it a big no-no to use a glass cutting board with these knives? Should you only use wood?

Thanks!

-Rob



2008-12-12 8:30 AM
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I own neither, so I couldn't tell you which is "better". I'd assume they'd be about the same.

But a word on glass cutting boards - they drive me NUTS. Do you currently use them? I much prefer wood. I don't care about the whole "meat juice will get in them and then you could contaminate food", etc. That's why cutting boards have two sides FWIW, I have a decent set of Calphalon knives and they work well with the wood cutting board.

2008-12-12 8:31 AM
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I have both Henkel and Wusthoff knives I like them both.  I recommend going and feeling them, feel the heft, see how it fits your hand.

As far as size I personally think that the 8" chefs knife is the most versitile.

Also I would refrain from cutting on glass, tile, or natural stone surfaces.  Use only wood or plastic cutting board.

Also no dish washers, wash everything by hand.

Make sure you have a good steel too, keeps the blade aligned.

2008-12-12 8:38 AM
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I have Henckel knives and love them.  Keep them sharp and you'll never go wrong.

If I could only own one knife, I would pick the Santoku.  I use it equally for slicing and chopping.  I have a problem handling the curved blade of a chef's knife and can't seem to apply consistent pressure across the blade as I am drawing the slice.  With the Santoku, I can use my wrist to manage the blade angle and I feel like it is giving me more control over the knife.

I use either a wooden board (for veggies) or a plastic board (for meats).  I don't like to use glass boards bc of the sound it makes when you drag a knife across it.

 

2008-12-12 8:44 AM
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I've got a set of two blocks full of Henckels. Love them to death and they go through just about everything I've ever needed to cut.

If you're into interesting kitchen cutlery, try an Ulu as well
http://www.digitalfotoclub.com/sc/from-froogle.asp?id=964738258&rf=...
I got one of those in Alaska and it's become irreplaceable.
2008-12-12 8:46 AM
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I agree with the go test "feel" them.  I have a Calphalon Katana Series 7" Santoku that I absolutely love.  The styling, the handle, the feel, and use it for damn near everything.  The only other knife I use is a 3 1/2" parer in the same series.

My girlfriend has a Westoff  Santoku that she uses all the time.  She likes the thinner handle and lighter weight of this knife.  I like this knife too, but it just doesn't have the "manly" feel that mine has.

If you are only getting one, definitely get the Santoku (7 inch) and you can use it for most any need that you come across in the kitchen.



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2008-12-12 8:48 AM
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I currently do have a glass cutting board, but I also have really crappy knives (plastic handled, serrated "never needs sharpening" edges, $20 for the whole set kind of crappy), and now that you mention it, the sound is pretty annoying. I'll definitely get or make a wooden one.
2008-12-12 8:49 AM
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So if I understand it correctly, the chef knife uses more of the rocking back and forth motion, and the santoku is straight up and down? Is that about the only difference?

Edited by Maine Rob 2008-12-12 8:51 AM
2008-12-12 8:50 AM
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I have a set of Henckels and would say I use the 8" Chefs and the Santoku about evenly. In fact, I don't really notice a difference in the two. I rarely ever use the other knives in the set because I love those big knives so much.
2008-12-12 8:51 AM
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My Santoku has a slight curve to it also.  The indentions/cutout on the blade really help in cutting vegetables and such with out sticking to the blade.  I have no problems rocking my Santoku when I need to.  Very versatile knife.
2008-12-12 9:00 AM
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I have a couple Epicurean cutting boards and I love them.  They supposedly won't dull knives and are non-porous.  


2008-12-12 9:21 AM
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I have a set of Cutco Knives. I'll say right out, I was brainwashed as a salesmen for them right after college, but only lasted until I found a full time bike shop gig. However, I do believe they are the best knives you can get. The warranty/guarantee is unbelievable. You will never have to buy another set of knives.

We have the homemaker set. The only knife I wish we had is a 7" Santoku Knife.

They added a petit chef to this set since I bought it http://www.cutco.com/products/product.jsp?itemGroup=1801


We use plastic cutting boards.


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2008-12-12 9:38 AM
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I agree to go "test drive" them to see what feels best. Before I did that, I wouldn't have thought there was a difference, but there is.

I use my 8" chefs a bit more than my Santuko, but they are pretty close. IMO, the Santuko is better for slicing, the chef better for chopping or heavy duty jobs. I have Wüsthofs and love them, btw.
2008-12-12 9:42 AM
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I have a Chicago Cutlery 8" chefs and a no-name 10" chefs that have served me well for a long time. I also have a 5" Global utility that gets a lot of use. If I were buying more knives now, I would seriously look at more Globals. I'd really like a Sabatier, or one of those cool damascus looking Kershaw/Shuns.

 

Glass cutting boards suck

 

2008-12-12 9:52 AM
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We just got a block set of WÜSTHOF knives, so nice! Even though Alton Brown recommends different knives, his video was very educational!

http://www.altonbrown.com/shun/shun_flv_sm.html
2008-12-12 10:13 AM
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Subject: RE: High end kitchen knives
I have 4 knives

9 Inch chefs THICK
10 inch slicing knife THINNER
Filleting knife (8-9 inches) THINNER STILL
4 inch paring knife THINNEST

When I got them 3 years ago I wall about building up this awesome knife collection. But I have found I want for nothing.

They are some brank of Henckels.

I have found what is important is having a ranch of thickness for knives. What cuts through I tomato may not be best for a block of cheese or an apple or melon or a hunk of frozen meat.


2008-12-12 10:20 AM
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My opinion is a 8" chef. Or larger. Stay away from the ones with the handles that are separate parts riveted on. No matter HOW you try to clean them, that little seam is a bacteria trap. Look for the single piece knives. Mine are Chicago. Love them.

And only wood or plastic cutting boards.



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2008-12-12 10:23 AM
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I have an Ulu that I got in Alaska many years ago, with an ivory handle. It's been a display for some 20 years. Only recently have I used it for chopping. Works great. I need to get one that's more practical though -- the sharp-edged ivory handle isn't that comfy.
2008-12-12 10:23 AM
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Don't use glass.

Also, take care of your knives and keep them sharp.  The shouldn't lose there edge for a long time if you avoid hard cutting surfaces, cutting packageing materials, etc.  Hone them before every use, IMO, and they will treat you right.

The biggest cause of cuts in the kitchen?  dull knives...  You apply more force to get through the product, which could cause slips or loss of control...  Learn the proper way to hold them as well - it works wonders...

http://goodblimey.com/archives/2008/02/04/the-proper-way-to-hold-a-knife/

2008-12-12 10:25 AM
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^^^'Kido speaks the truth. I hand-wash and hand-dry all of the knives in the set. I probably don't sharpen them as often as a I should, but they are still very sharp. Perhaps I will sharpen them this weekend

2008-12-12 10:39 AM
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I have both a chefs and Santuko, honestly I like them both equally.  I don't find myself reaching for either more often.  Usually which ever one is clean or closest to me is the one I'll use.

But if I had to have just one knife I would probably go with the chefs knife, I think it's a little bit more versitle than the santuko.  But that's just my opinion.



2008-12-12 11:00 AM
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Lots of good info already in this thread. Hone your knives regularly (I do my chef's knife before almost every use), wash and dry by hand, etc.

I think that to a large extent, especially once you're already in the high end, the brand, size, and shape of a knife is a matter of personal taste. I'd recommend going somewhere like Sur la Table, Williams-Sonoma, or even Bed Bath & Beyond to try out several brands, shapes, etc. of knife and see what feels good in your hand.

Personally, all but one of my knives are Wusthof, and I really like the feel of them. I have one Henckels knife, and I don't like it as much. It's too light for my taste.

Chef's v. santoku: I have both. I like that things like onion don't stick to the santoku as much (the hollowed-out sections allow air between the knife and whatever you're cutting, reducing sticking), but I don't like the flat or nearly-flat blade. I prefer the rocking I get with my chef's knives. As for length, I have the 6" and the 8", but usually I just don't need the length of the 8". The 6" is my workhorse in the kitchen, and it does its job very well.

As for cutting boards, I've never used glass, but between plastic and wood I strongly prefer wood. Again, it's probably a taste thing. I have several plastic boards, including one that's only for poultry and another that's only for meat, but the one that sees the most use (especially when I have a lot of vegetable chopping to do) is my bamboo board.

Regardless of all that, though, it really does come down to taste. Good luck, and I hope you find a knife you like!
2008-12-12 11:24 AM
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puellasolis - 2008-12-12 9:00 AM Lots of good info already in this thread. Hone your knives regularly (I do my chef's knife before almost every use), wash and dry by hand, etc. I think that to a large extent, especially once you're already in the high end, the brand, size, and shape of a knife is a matter of personal taste. I'd recommend going somewhere like Sur la Table, Williams-Sonoma, or even Bed Bath & Beyond to try out several brands, shapes, etc. of knife and see what feels good in your hand. Personally, all but one of my knives are Wusthof, and I really like the feel of them. I have one Henckels knife, and I don't like it as much. It's too light for my taste. Chef's v. santoku: I have both. I like that things like onion don't stick to the santoku as much (the hollowed-out sections allow air between the knife and whatever you're cutting, reducing sticking), but I don't like the flat or nearly-flat blade. I prefer the rocking I get with my chef's knives. As for length, I have the 6" and the 8", but usually I just don't need the length of the 8". The 6" is my workhorse in the kitchen, and it does its job very well. As for cutting boards, I've never used glass, but between plastic and wood I strongly prefer wood. Again, it's probably a taste thing. I have several plastic boards, including one that's only for poultry and another that's only for meat, but the one that sees the most use (especially when I have a lot of vegetable chopping to do) is my bamboo board. Regardless of all that, though, it really does come down to taste. Good luck, and I hope you find a knife you like!

Completely agree.  I also have one Henckel and the rest are Wusthof.  From what I have heard Henckel was purchased a few years ago and the grade of steel used in the knives has downgraded.  Not sure if many of us could tell the difference but that was what was explained to me by a very good cooking store in my area who does sell both brands. 

Bottom line, it really is about the feel and it is best to go to the stores referenced above and try them out.  What works for you may not even work for your spouse depending on the size of hands, etc.

Shannon

2008-12-12 12:00 PM
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graceful_dave - 2008-12-12 9:21 AM I have a set of Cutco Knives. I'll say right out, I was brainwashed as a salesmen for them right after college, but only lasted until I found a full time bike shop gig. However, I do believe they are the best knives you can get. The warranty/guarantee is unbelievable. You will never have to buy another set of knives. We have the homemaker set. The only knife I wish we had is a 7" Santoku Knife. They added a petit chef to this set since I bought it http://www.cutco.com/products/product.jsp?itemGroup=1801 We use plastic cutting boards.

x2.  I feel for the sales thing too after college but 20 years later they still cut like new and we melted one of the handles accidentally on a grill and broke a blade using it to try and pry something apart.  They replaced both free of charge with no questions.

2008-12-12 12:11 PM
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We have a couple of CUTCO knives that have essentially replaced any others we have.  Of the Chicago Cutlery we got for our wedding I only use the biggest of them and even that would go the way of the DoDo if we had an equivalent sized Cutco knife.
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