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 2009-07-15 2:23 PM |
Master  1563    Chicago |  Subject: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint???Does anyone else think it is wrong for 2 members of an Elite tri team to race in the Age Group division against each other on their "off" weekend because they want to race each other to see who wins and because the rest of their team is racing in the 1/2 IM the following day and they want to go up to watch that? I think, as an AG'er, it is unfair....considering they're in MY age group! My sister, the soon to be 4x IM sees nothing wrong with it. Maybe I'm just sensitive since I am having a pretty tough week and all, but I think it's wrong. |
| 2009-07-15 2:24 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? No. I don't see what the big deal is. Should everyone in your wave that is better than you stay home? If you are the best in your wave, should YOU stay home, so the person behind you gets a chance to win? Edited by mmrocker13 2009-07-15 2:40 PM |
| 2009-07-15 2:27 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
Master 2355  Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? Do they even have a elite wave? Anyway.. it's not wrong. Plus it sounds like they are Age Groupers to me. Edited by smilford 2009-07-15 2:27 PM |
| 2009-07-15 2:27 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
Master 1584 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? Nope, a race is a race. |
| 2009-07-15 2:29 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
| over a barrier | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? If its the group, I think you're thinking of that starts with a W ends in Fit......while they are an 'elite' team. They do not hold their elite USAT tri cards. |
| 2009-07-15 2:30 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
 Master 1324 Rochester, NY | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? At the end of the day, we're only competing against ourselves. Yes, its nice to place and get hardware. But there's a saying, "You can't control who shows up". Focus on what you can control. And thats you. Don't worry about the rest. Nothing you can do about it anyway. |
| 2009-07-15 2:35 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
Master 2571 Tiger's Den | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? Our local tri series run by Set Up Events fixes this. Once you race in a category, you are stuck there all year, with the exception of Novice who can move to AG and Athenas and Clydes who can move to AG if they drop below the weight requirement. |
| 2009-07-15 2:48 PM in reply to: #2287562 |
Master 1420 Victoria, BC | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? I see the OP's point - if they are "elite" then they do not belong with us AG'ers ... but also - a race is a race and I personally will never podium (unless I'm only one of 3 in my AG, which is unlikely) ... and I'm only out there against myself, so it's kind of cool to say I "raced with so and so ..." ... As an aside - we often get our pros and Olympians entering AG races here, but usually under false names and the RD keeps them out of the official standings ... they just do it for fun or to race their friends ... |
| 2009-07-15 2:50 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
Expert 1215 Austin, TX | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? Several years ago there was an off road duathlon here in Austin. It was the same weekend as the US Postal training camp in Austin. They showed up and claimed every top spot within grasp. At first it seemed kind of cool to be racing against Lance, George, Floyd, etc., but then you realize that us weekend warriors were getting swept by the pros. I wasn't in the hunt for a podium but I felt for those who otherwise would have podiumed. Lance did get beat off the bike though :-) And forget the relay teams. On those, they would partner a Postie with a local running stud. Edited by Bumble Bee 2009-07-15 2:51 PM |
| 2009-07-15 2:51 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? There are professionals and there are age groupers. If you hold a pro card, you typically cannot race in the age group field. Which means everyone gets put into the age group field regardless of whether or not their "team" has an "elite" group. Bryancd and pseudoyams are both on the Zoot Elite team. Guess what they race in??? The age group field ...... because they aren't professionals. Some races will have an "elite" field where they have a min. time requirement to be allowed to be classified in the field and they are not allowed to be in the age group placings, only the overall, but I have only heard of that in olympic and longer. And that is still a voluntary thing. As an aside, if someone is picking races so that they can easily place in them to boost their ego, then it would be my suggestion that they re-evaluate their racing priorities. But doing a race as a hard training session (also known as a "C" race), then there is nothing wrong with that. |
| 2009-07-15 2:52 PM in reply to: #2287604 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? There's a difference between a Pro and an elite team (and an "Elite card"). We have several elite teams around here--and while most of them race in the E wave (Elite AG wave--different than Carded Elites or Pros) most of the time, they don't always. |
| 2009-07-15 2:53 PM in reply to: #2287539 |
Master 1563 Chicago | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? mmrocker13 - 2009-07-15 2:24 PM No. I don't see what the big deal is. Should everyone in your wave that is better than you stay home? If you are the best in your wave, should YOU stay home, so the person behind you gets a chance to win? Easy there mmrocker...that's not what I meant at all. What I guess I was getting at is that since these two girls are Elite, that puts the rest of us AG'ers at a disadvantage, and they should race as Elite, not AG'ers. Guess it doesn't help that I absolutely detest one of the girls...that might have something to do with it...and yes, I can see them doing this so they can get "hardware" and have an "easy" race... Thanks for the input everyone...interesting to see the responses...says a lot!
Edited by miami9296 2009-07-15 2:56 PM |
| 2009-07-15 2:54 PM in reply to: #2287612 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? Most all of our races here have an E wave, from sprint to half IM. Not pros, just FOP AG folks, for the most part. When pros race here, they typically enter in the E wave, as well. |
| 2009-07-15 2:59 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? It still comes down to the fact they aren't elites/pros. IF they were they wouldn't have a option, they would be in the Pro divisions by them selves. So they are Age Groupers just like me and you.  |
| 2009-07-15 2:59 PM in reply to: #2287622 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? I don't mean attitude...I just mean, unless they are a pro, then they ARE just an AGer. I can't say for where you are, but here, the E wave is designed for folks who are either racing to win or who want to compete at that level. But not all folks who CAN race in the E wave choose to all of the time. For example, the Gear West team is an elite Team (they have a club team, too)...and while MOST of the time, they use that wave, they don't always, nor do they HAVE to. It just kind of sounded a bit like sour grapes to say that since they are on an invite team, they shouldn't be in an AG wave cuz then other people might not place. |
| 2009-07-15 3:01 PM in reply to: #2287622 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? miami9296 - 2009-07-15 1:53 PM mmrocker13 - 2009-07-15 2:24 PM No. I don't see what the big deal is. Should everyone in your wave that is better than you stay home? If you are the best in your wave, should YOU stay home, so the person behind you gets a chance to win? Easy there mmrocker...that's not what I meant at all. What I guess I was getting at is that since these two girls are Elite, that puts the rest of us AG'ers at a disadvantage, and they should race as Elite, not AG'ers. Guess it doesn't help that I absolutely detest one of the girls...that might have something to do with it...and yes, I can see them doing this so they can get "hardware" and have an "easy" race... Thanks for the input everyone...interesting to see the responses...says a lot!
I raced as part of the mideast elite team through USAT last year, but was not a pro. in the races that offered it i entered myself in the elite wave, but a lot of races dont have this year. and yes, pros can enter into an AG if a race does not offer an elite wave, they are simply not able to claim an AG award, just the overall. this has happened in several local races to me, and races i would have otherwise won. however, i would take the chance to race a pro and see where i stack up over one more overall place anyday. |
| 2009-07-15 3:09 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
| Expert 658 | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? I don't think it's unfair at all. They can do what they want... |
| 2009-07-15 3:10 PM in reply to: #2287644 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? newbz - 2009-07-15 3:01 PM I raced as part of the mideast elite team through USAT last year, but was not a pro. in the races that offered it i entered myself in the elite wave, but a lot of races dont have this year. and yes, pros can enter into an AG if a race does not offer an elite wave, they are simply not able to claim an AG award, just the overall. this has happened in several local races to me, and races i would have otherwise won. however, i would take the chance to race a pro and see where i stack up over one more overall place anyday. bingo. |
| 2009-07-15 3:11 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? its not wrong at all. |
| 2009-07-15 3:14 PM in reply to: #2287664 |
Champion 5117 Brandon, MS | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? supa-powa - 2009-07-15 3:09 PM I don't think it's unfair at all. They can do what they want... Sort of. If they were licensed as Elite and not just on an invitation only team, then they shouldn't be able to get AG awards. That's not my opinion, that's the rules. LINK. Now if they aren't licensed, then it's fair game.
Edited by sesh 2009-07-15 3:16 PM |
| 2009-07-15 3:24 PM in reply to: #2287622 |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? miami9296 - 2009-07-15 3:53 PM mmrocker13 - 2009-07-15 2:24 PM No. I don't see what the big deal is. Should everyone in your wave that is better than you stay home? If you are the best in your wave, should YOU stay home, so the person behind you gets a chance to win? Easy there mmrocker...that's not what I meant at all. What I guess I was getting at is that since these two girls are Elite, that puts the rest of us AG'ers at a disadvantage, and they should race as Elite, not AG'ers. Guess it doesn't help that I absolutely detest one of the girls...that might have something to do with it...and yes, I can see them doing this so they can get "hardware" and have an "easy" race... Thanks for the input everyone...interesting to see the responses...says a lot!
Honestly, that sounds like it's the problem. If you didn't already know them, you might not know they were part of an "elite" team. There's a chance you've already raced against people like them in other races and didn't think anything of it. Unless they hold their pro card, there isn't anything wrong with them racing in the AG race. |
| 2009-07-19 4:30 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
Veteran 278 | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? I say use them to your advantage to set a new PR |
| 2009-07-19 4:48 PM in reply to: #2294611 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? sesh, they are able to race in an AG and non pro race, and win overall awards, just not win age group awards. that does not mean they cant claim an award in an AG group race. |
| 2009-07-19 4:58 PM in reply to: #2287537 |
| Regular 281 | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? What if a Kenyan showed up to a local 5k? Should we kick them out? I won 1st place at my 2nd 5k ever with a 38:42 time. I was the only person in the 20-24 age group. Nice thing about the 20-24 age group is the people my age are too hungover to get up at 5-6am to prepare for a race. But I was 10x more proud of myself for placing dfl with a 29:57 time a month later. If I was at a bicycle race and Lance Armstrong showed up for funsies and I had to race him, then that'd be sweet. My only chance of beating him would be to literally beat him as he doubles back for the finish (or mace him) but I'd love to say I did a race with Lance Armstrong. |
| 2009-07-19 4:59 PM in reply to: #2294641 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Elite triathletes competing in AG in Sprint??? hey now, we are not always hungover, or that doesnt always mean we will be slow........ |
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