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 2009-07-09 11:26 PM |
Champion  7233    |  Subject: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file?for the high res file, what would you like to see prices at? would there be interest in a high quality screen sized file? trying to gauge some interest here thanks! just for your viewing pleasure, some race photos: http://triathlonshots.com/AmericanTTT.2009.html and www.davidsavoiesports.blogspot.com |
| 2009-07-09 11:31 PM in reply to: #2275155 |
Master 1610   Kirkland, WA | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? i would probably like to see resolution options - with options for small, regular photo size (3 x 5 or whatever it is), 8 x 10, etc. i would like to be able to get all the photo's for about $30. normally, it seems like they are around double that for all the race photo's. |
| 2009-07-10 12:30 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
Veteran 298 Des Moines, IA | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? hey david i've paid $30 in the past (actually for the semi high res version of my profile pic) for that one digital copy. I was displeased at the resolution though. I believe it was like 1000ish pixels vertically. For $30 i would have walked away with a smile had it been more like 11x17 @ 300dpi (excuse the print dimensions, never done photography). You get what I mean though. Of course the price is always a sliding scale depending on quality. If it blows me away (dramatic lighting, crisp foreground/semi blurry background, special effect like fish eye or multi exposure) I wouldn't mind paying up into 50-70 per image, but then again those are getting closer to works of art than standard race photography. I've never thought about doing that, hiring a photographer just to take pictures of ME but make sure they are drop dead amazing portfolio quality shots. I've seen your stuff, I think you can pull off the high quality work I spoke of above. edit: to clarify, had I been offered a "facebook or BT profile sized image" that can be easily thumbnailed, i guess i'd fork over about $10 / image. I don't think that's too far off from a comprable sized royalty free stock image. Edited by jtaddei 2009-07-10 12:45 AM |
| 2009-07-10 12:39 AM in reply to: #2275195 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? my reasoning for asking this is: one- i am not currently working with a printer, and it makes my job a lot easier to sell digital copies of images i would otherwise never sell, or only sell once in the first place two- as i am bouncing around this usmmer its a bit easier and more cost effective to work this way three- there seems to be a huge lack of even decent race photos out there. four- really wanted to see if people would even be interested in something like this. i know at most normal sized races i cant hit everyone, and otn have anyone else wokring with me to help, but i can get a good number of people, so we'll give it a shot at the next few races and see what comes of it. |
| 2009-07-10 12:50 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
Veteran 298 Des Moines, IA | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? i always try to see the marketing side of things and I think you're on to something about the individualized race photographer thing. Triathlon's have deep emotional roots for a lot of people, why not hire a specialized sports photographer that researchers your race course that can head you off at the pass and be there for your memorable moments. You may not be able to under cut big places like brightroom (actually with their prices you might), but I just went through a wedding where we paid a HUGE amount of a photographer that captured a very emotional moment and we were very happy with the result. I probably personally wouldn't take this service (my financials and interest are just not there) but I see no reason why establishing yourself as an event photographer no different from a wedding photographer wouldn't work. |
| 2009-07-10 1:58 AM in reply to: #2275209 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? i had never even though of this as going through with one person. my thinking was more along the lines of shooting the style of photos i have been (in posted link), but instead of putting up 10-15 and showing my work, rather list a bit more images/all that come out well and simply sell a digital file, and not paper copies of the image as this is often a one time use market. |
| 2009-07-10 5:30 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
| Regular 281 | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? I'd pay $10 a photo and I'd get 3 photos. Though it'd be nice if someone offered maybe a choice of one swim, bike, run for $15-20. The $30 a photo is just ridiculous. And someone could take a picture with a basic point and click non slr camera and I think most people would be happy. I think most photos end up on facebook, myspace, or other photo hosting sites that don't require poster size quality. Most people I know just steal the photo using the snip tool because it's not worth spending $30 to run a 5k and then $30 to get your picture form the 5k. |
| 2009-07-10 6:27 AM in reply to: #2275197 |
Expert 1123 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? newbz - 2009-07-10 1:39 AM my reasoning for asking this is: one- i am not currently working with a printer, and it makes my job a lot easier to sell digital copies of images i would otherwise never sell, or only sell once in the first place two- as i am bouncing around this usmmer its a bit easier and more cost effective to work this way three- there seems to be a huge lack of even decent race photos out there. four- really wanted to see if people would even be interested in something like this. i know at most normal sized races i cant hit everyone, and otn have anyone else wokring with me to help, but i can get a good number of people, so we'll give it a shot at the next few races and see what comes of it. I'll give you a better response after I get my cd that I purchased for my race this weekend, but right now, to compare brightroom with the guy doing the event I'm racing this weekend, you've got to find a good place in the middle. Brightroom is charging something like $50 or more for the digital version of their race pictures, and I have passed on buying those. For my race this weekend I bought a whole CD of every picture (not just mine) for like $20. I dont' know the quality of the pictures on the CD, but I can't imagine them being 10megapixel each since they won't fit on one, and I also don't know the quality of the digital image brightroom sells since I'm not paying that much. I personally would pay $20 for a full res, high-quality pic |
| 2009-07-10 7:12 AM in reply to: #2275283 |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? ATLsbr - 2009-07-10 6:30 AM I'd pay $10 a photo and I'd get 3 photos. Though it'd be nice if someone offered maybe a choice of one swim, bike, run for $15-20. The $30 a photo is just ridiculous. And someone could take a picture with a basic point and click non slr camera and I think most people would be happy. I think most photos end up on facebook, myspace, or other photo hosting sites that don't require poster size quality. Most people I know just steal the photo using the snip tool because it's not worth spending $30 to run a 5k and then $30 to get your picture form the 5k. The $10/picture range is what I'd pay. For $30, I would really want a print. I paid less than that to get a print from one of my races. The option to have cheap (less than $5) small, low-res pictures would also be really nice. |
| 2009-07-10 7:18 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
Veteran 427 | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? The charges I have seen for "professional" race pictures is just ridiculous. I understand that there are operational costs, labor costs, etc., but the pricing just seems way too high. Why aren't there more value packaged offers? There is a niche here for the taking...... I hope that you (and others) create more competition since the market for these services can only improve. |
| 2009-07-10 7:43 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
Elite 3395 Raleigh | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? $10/photo seems reasonable as long as the shots are taken from good angles and are good quality. Pics of people getting out of a pool suck. Finish lines are good. Cornering on a bike can be good from the right angle. I can not understand how the photographers that have worked the tris I have done can be that bad at it. Edited by DougRob 2009-07-10 7:43 AM |
| 2009-07-10 7:47 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
| Extreme Veteran 745 | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? I must be really cheap - I wouldn't pay more than $50 for a cd of at least 10 pictures. CD is optional - I'd download them for the same price. The prices I have seen for pictures from the races I have done is insane - $20 to $30 per picture, lots more for the digital versions. The pictures are just OK, and lets be honest - I'm not going to resell them, so why the high cost? |
| 2009-07-10 8:01 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
Extreme Veteran 418 Pittsburgh | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? I would pay probably $20 for a really, really good picture as a high-res file (price would be dependent on the actual resolution -- I'd be willing to pay more for a photo that would look good as a larger print or big page in a photo book). For a CD, it would depend on how many of the pictures were a) good shots, and b) of me or other people I actually knew  Say $10 per good shot of either me, the race course, or friends/teammates/etc. (I might also pay money for really unflattering pictures of people I don't like, but that's probably just me.)I'm willing to pay more for a high-res file than for a print. After all, I can generate as many prints as I want from the high-res file, generally for a really cheap price (yay Target photo kiosk!); also I can use BookSmart or something similar to make a nice photo album for myself, as long as the files are of high enough quality. ETA: I'm pretty picky about photos, too. I would never pay money for a picture of myself flailing out of the water with a moronic expression on my face and aquatic plant life clinging to my head, or a picture where I'm combating a tri top as it attempts to roll all the way up under my boobs, or something similar. Crossing the finish line, though? I would probably pay for a picture of that no matter what I was doing at the time... Edited by kat_astrophe 2009-07-10 8:06 AM |
| 2009-07-10 8:16 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
Master 1531 TORONTO | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? I would and I have... although they weren't more than $20 so... I've peeked at your pics before - they're really good! |
| 2009-07-10 8:17 AM in reply to: #2275513 |
Champion 10020 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? I've never been able to stomach purchasing a picture from the race photographer. The cheaper guy around here charges $10 for his individual digital images, but my gut instinct is that I would happily pay $5. This is an example of a picture I would like to buy for $5. While it's not a super fancy artistic kind of thing, it's much better than what we snapped with our own cameras. But I just can't do it... (Url broken to make it narrower) There's another company in my area that takes very beautiful pictures and also charges $10 for a digital download using Triathlete.com. Again, though, unless I happened to be in the most spectacular of shots that seems too much for me looking like a goon on my bike showing any amount of pudge or a pained expression. I know this discussion has come up before (under the "Pictures are too expensive" discussion), but I am curious where the breaking point would be. Would more people buy them to make up for the smaller profit margin at $5 per shot? Or is the higher price an indication that they are selling enough at that price? Edit: My avatar picture was taken by a guy in my tri club. I would pay $5 for something like that, as opposed to the crappy ugly shot in almost the same place done by Brightroom. Somehow they managed to take the WORST pictures of everyone. Even of people I know who did the race that are slim and attractive in real life, they look terrible in these shots. Edited by BikerGrrrl 2009-07-10 8:18 AM |
| 2009-07-10 8:28 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? my wife takes better pics than the people on site do...have been very pleased with her skills. maybe more than you watned, but my take on it. |
| 2009-07-10 9:16 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
Extreme Veteran 417 Davidson | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? David,
FWIW, Greg Edited by trinewby 2009-07-10 9:17 AM |
| 2009-07-10 9:18 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
| New user 327 | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? I realize that a wedding chapel in vegas is not a triathlon but when i got married it cost $80 to get a CD with all of the photos (25 or so) that they took at full resolution (jpeg not RAW). They also provided a letter stating that I had the rights to reproduce the photos so that walmart would print them. I would rather have the digital photo over a physical print. I can always make a print(small prints are less than 30 cents at walmart or target), but scanning a print back in to archive or manipulate sucks both in results and hassle. My criteria for buying a race photo are: 1 The photo needs to be in focus and well framed (you'd be amazed how often this isn't the case) 2 I need to not look like a total tool (this is the real hard one ) 3 I need to get a high res digital version (without visible watermarks) 4 It needs to cost less than $10 per photo 5 It needs to be unencumbered by usage restraints. I want to be able to use it on my web site, on my brochure for my triathlon training service, and in the ads for my stud services. The problems I see with trying to sell Triathlon photos are: 1 people want unreasonable things. Look at my previous list. No self respecting photographer will give up their usage restraints 2 there is already an official event photographer that gets to hand out their card to everyone and gets linked to from the event web site. 3 there are probably lots of amateur photographers who put their photos up on the internet for free. one or two of them probably took a photo of you that is pretty good. Not that they're spectacular, but often you can find sites like this that allow download of full res photos for free. http://www.vegastriathlon.com/ Edited by bufordt 2009-07-10 9:33 AM |
| 2009-07-10 9:40 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
Champion 8766 Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? I think I paid about $100 for *all* my IMAZ digital photos. I don't remember what they were charging PER PHOTO, but it came out that if I bought just the ones I liked it wasn't much more to just get them all. But had that not been my first IM I would have told them to f- off because that's just a ridiculous amount of money! If I were just buying one photo I wouldn't want to pay much more than $10 for it. I definitely think you should get a SERIOUS deal for buying more than one. As in, first one is $10, second is $7, third is $5, etc. etc. etc. |
| 2009-07-10 9:53 AM in reply to: #2275830 |
Master 1531 TORONTO | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? trinewby - 2009-07-10 10:16 AM Regardless, here is what I would be willing to pay for:
This is *hilarious* and yet... he's made some really good points. I'd pay for pics this good as well! I'm in Canada but a high resolution image normally costs $20 or a lower resolution at $5.99. That's a per image cost. Maybe because I'm new to this and I want to preserve the memory - or maybe not (I love photography) - I've paid the $20 for a good image. And I would do so again. |
| 2009-07-10 9:54 AM in reply to: #2275921 |
Master 1610 Kirkland, WA | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? jldicarlo - 2009-07-10 7:40 AM If I were just buying one photo I wouldn't want to pay much more than $10 for it. I definitely think you should get a SERIOUS deal for buying more than one. As in, first one is $10, second is $7, third is $5, etc. etc. etc. x2 - i think there should be some serious discounts for buying more than one. also, i understand that the photographer has to cover 1) equipment 2) time - but when you get digital photo's, it really isn't costing the photographer much money. sure, the setup cost them $3-5k i would imagine, but they would have bought the camera anyways if they are into photography. like everyone has said, i think more pictures would be purchased if they were significantly cheaper. |
| 2009-07-10 10:41 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
Extreme Veteran 682 Canton, MI. via Detroit | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? newbz - 2009-07-09 11:26 PM for the high res file, what would you like to see prices at? would there be interest in a high quality screen sized file? trying to gauge some interest here thanks! just for your viewing pleasure, some race photos: http://triathlonshots.com/AmericanTTT.2009.htmland www.davidsavoiesports.blogspot.com $5.00 And I don't want it on paper. Just email me the file and I'll do whatever I want with it. |
| 2009-07-10 11:01 AM in reply to: #2275155 |
Veteran 331 Roxborough Park | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? I would probably pay around $20 per shot for a couple great photos, but here's what I'd really be willing to fork out for: A package of roughly 15-20 photos, with pictures of the course, the crowd beforehand, any awards after and anything else special going on. Bonus points for sunrise photos before the race starts! And then 3 of me, one swim, one bike, one run (better if they're good, but sufficient if you can tell it's me). For a package like this I'd easily pay $50 even if the photos of me were sub par. If the photos of me were awesome, then it would be more like $75. |
| 2009-07-10 12:43 PM in reply to: #2276234 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? thanks for the replies so far. Here is what i am thinking would be doable from my end, and hopefully something people on the other end would be interested in. 1) as i am working by myself, there is simply no way i can hit everyone that comes through and still be shooting in the style that i prefer, for now thats goign to have to be how it is, and i will stick to hitting as many as i can and still getting the quality i like/think people should see. 2)pricing would probably be in the 12-15$ range, much under that and i am not goign to be able to have it be worth it. This would be for a full res digital file, any nessisary editing already done, etc. 3) i like the idea of discounts per extra photo- that is something i can do. 4) and this is a bit more of an idea right now than a reality, but i am considering talking to individuals about coming out, not to a race, but sometime in practice, or what have you, and shooting things like trail running, or riding the bike in the full TT getup, things like the photos you see on poeples blogs or websites. just thinking outloud right now. |
| 2009-07-10 1:02 PM in reply to: #2275155 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: What would you pay for a good race photo-digital file? $0. It should be covered in your entry fee, I think. |
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