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2012-09-25 12:38 PM

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I work at a private liberal arts university in an urban area.   One thing I have always liked about this school, even before I worked here (a friend went to college here, so I spent time on campus) is they are extremely focused on diversity and have a strong LGBTQ community.

So, this week, our president made the official statement that they would not be taking an official stand on the upcoming vote to amend the state constitution to prohibit same sex couples to marry. 

I was frankly shocked and the students must agree.    A lively and loud protest is taking place outside of her office.  I am so proud of these kids!



2012-09-25 12:46 PM
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I would have to agree with the president of the university on this one.  Good for him for not getting involved in politics which have no bearing on whether or not a good education can be provided by his institution.

While I understand it has a strong community which is very opinionated on the matter it doesn't change the fact that they don't really need to be involved in this topic.  Furthermore, by not taking a stand on this topic he is exemplifying the "focus on diversity."  By not taking a position he is stating that it is acceptable either way according to the university; believe what you want and the university will not judge you. 

2012-09-25 12:49 PM
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jasonatkins - 2012-09-25 12:46 PM

I would have to agree with the president of the university on this one.  Good for him for not getting involved in politics which have no bearing on whether or not a good education can be provided by his institution.

While I understand it has a strong community which is very opinionated on the matter it doesn't change the fact that they don't really need to be involved in this topic.  Furthermore, by not taking a stand on this topic he is exemplifying the "focus on diversity."  By not taking a position he is stating that it is acceptable either way according to the university; believe what you want and the university will not judge you. 

exactly this. 

2012-09-25 12:59 PM
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jasonatkins - 2012-09-25 1:46 PM

I would have to agree with the president of the university on this one.  Good for him for not getting involved in politics which have no bearing on whether or not a good education can be provided by his institution.

While I understand it has a strong community which is very opinionated on the matter it doesn't change the fact that they don't really need to be involved in this topic.  Furthermore, by not taking a stand on this topic he is exemplifying the "focus on diversity."  By not taking a position he is stating that it is acceptable either way according to the university; believe what you want and the university will not judge you. 

x2.  Regardless of the dean's/president's/chancellor's personal opinions it's best for the university to stay out of it.

2012-09-25 1:07 PM
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I disagree. I think the University should take a stand here. 

Other private institutions are doing it (General Mills is a big one)

The United Methodist Church (our church at my school) is doing it. 

Other private universities are calling on their Board of Trustees to support this as well.

Our faculty just voted to request that our president take a stand.    As part of the official statement from the faculty, I like this part "WHEREAS the Minnesota "marriage amendment" would deny civil rights to members of our community:".


2012-09-25 1:09 PM
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jasonatkins - 2012-09-25 1:46 PM

I would have to agree with the president of the university on this one.  Good for him for not getting involved in politics which have no bearing on whether or not a good education can be provided by his institution.

While I understand it has a strong community which is very opinionated on the matter it doesn't change the fact that they don't really need to be involved in this topic.  Furthermore, by not taking a stand on this topic he is exemplifying the "focus on diversity."  By not taking a position he is stating that it is acceptable either way according to the university; believe what you want and the university will not judge you. 

x2.  Regardless of the dean's/president's/chancellor's personal opinions it's best for the university to stay out of it.

x3.  The school's primary responsibility is education.  Period.  Leave the freewill to the students to pursue there own agenda.



2012-09-25 1:12 PM
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BikerGrrrl - 2012-09-25 11:07 AM

I disagree. I think the University should take a stand here. 

Other private institutions are doing it (General Mills is a big one)

The United Methodist Church (our church at my school) is doing it. 

Other private universities are calling on their Board of Trustees to support this as well.

Our faculty just voted to request that our president take a stand.    As part of the official statement from the faculty, I like this part "WHEREAS the Minnesota "marriage amendment" would deny civil rights to members of our community:".


I disagree.  I think it is the freewill of the people that should decide issues not organizations. 

2012-09-25 1:13 PM
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BikerGrrrl - 2012-09-25 11:07 AM

I disagree. I think the University should take a stand here. 

Other private institutions are doing it (General Mills is a big one)

The United Methodist Church (our church at my school) is doing it. 

Other private universities are calling on their Board of Trustees to support this as well.

Our faculty just voted to request that our president take a stand.    As part of the official statement from the faculty, I like this part "WHEREAS the Minnesota "marriage amendment" would deny civil rights to members of our community:".


I will agree that the church can weigh in on the topic.  They are pretty close to the issue after all.

As for the others, they should keep their noses out of it.  General Mills has no business being in the argument, neither do the schools. 

I'm OK with us having different opinions though, as long as you know yours is wrong! Wink

2012-09-25 1:14 PM
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popsracer - 2012-09-25 2:12 PM

I think it is the freewill of the people that should decide issues not organizations. 

Assuming the University does not vote, how is the University expressing an opinion, through its Board of Trustees, "deciding" anything?

 

 

2012-09-25 1:15 PM
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jasonatkins - 2012-09-25 2:13 PM 

General Mills has no business being in the argument, neither do the schools. 

You hate capitalism?

 

2012-09-25 1:18 PM
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jasonatkins - 2012-09-25 1:13 PM 

I will agree that the church can weigh in on the topic.  They are pretty close to the issue after all.

As for the others, they should keep their noses out of it.  General Mills has no business being in the argument, neither do the schools. 

I'm OK with us having different opinions though, as long as you know yours is wrong! Wink

I don't see how the church is any different from the University in this scenario.  Please explain.    Marriage is not a church issue and the people who belong to the church community are, as a group, not a lot different in my eyes to a private college community.  So really, I don't get that.



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2012-09-25 1:20 PM
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Goosedog - 2012-09-25 11:15 AM

jasonatkins - 2012-09-25 2:13 PM 

General Mills has no business being in the argument, neither do the schools. 

You hate capitalism?

 

and puppies, kittens, free school lunches, new school lunches, the size of school lunches ...

2012-09-25 1:27 PM
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jasonatkins - 2012-09-25 12:46 PM

I would have to agree with the president of the university on this one.  Good for him for not getting involved in politics which have no bearing on whether or not a good education can be provided by his institution.

While I understand it has a strong community which is very opinionated on the matter it doesn't change the fact that they don't really need to be involved in this topic.  Furthermore, by not taking a stand on this topic he is exemplifying the "focus on diversity."  By not taking a position he is stating that it is acceptable either way according to the university; believe what you want and the university will not judge you. 

Or her is this case.....

2012-09-25 1:29 PM
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jasonatkins - 2012-09-25 12:46 PM

I would have to agree with the president of the university on this one.  Good for him for not getting involved in politics which have no bearing on whether or not a good education can be provided by his institution.

While I understand it has a strong community which is very opinionated on the matter it doesn't change the fact that they don't really need to be involved in this topic.  Furthermore, by not taking a stand on this topic he is exemplifying the "focus on diversity."  By not taking a position he is stating that it is acceptable either way according to the university; believe what you want and the university will not judge you. 

Or her is this case.....

You don't expect people to read the entire post do you?

2012-09-25 1:33 PM
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popsracer - 2012-09-25 2:12 PM

I think it is the freewill of the people that should decide issues not organizations. 

Assuming the University does not vote, how is the University expressing an opinion, through its Board of Trustees, "deciding" anything?

 

 

Granted "deciding" was a poor choice of words.  Maybe influence popular opinion would be better. 

2012-09-25 1:39 PM
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jasonatkins - 2012-09-25 12:46 PM

I would have to agree with the president of the university on this one.  Good for him for not getting involved in politics which have no bearing on whether or not a good education can be provided by his institution.

While I understand it has a strong community which is very opinionated on the matter it doesn't change the fact that they don't really need to be involved in this topic.  Furthermore, by not taking a stand on this topic he is exemplifying the "focus on diversity."  By not taking a position he is stating that it is acceptable either way according to the university; believe what you want and the university will not judge you. 

Or her is this case.....

Eric - I'd love to know what you might know about this... but I am not going to ask   But you can totally PM me!  Just kidding.



2012-09-25 1:41 PM
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It just seems to me that the same people that are pressuring the school to support a political position that they support would be the first to protest against the institution for taking a stand on an issue if it choose to support a position that differed from their own.

If the school took a stand against the issue, would the same people protest that the school has no business taking stands.

And I do not care what the issue is.  I am responding to this purely as I perceive in my opinion the role of a teaching facility to be and its primary focus. 

2012-09-25 1:44 PM
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popsracer - 2012-09-25 2:41 PM

It just seems to me that the same people that are pressuring the school to support a political position that they support would be the first to protest against the institution for taking a stand on an issue if it choose to support a position that differed from their own.

No doubt!  

 

2012-09-25 1:49 PM
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popsracer - 2012-09-25 1:41 PM

It just seems to me that the same people that are pressuring the school to support a political position that they support would be the first to protest against the institution for taking a stand on an issue if it choose to support a position that differed from their own.

If the school took a stand against the issue, would the same people protest that the school has no business taking stands.

And I do not care what the issue is.  I am responding to this purely as I perceive in my opinion the role of a teaching facility to be and its primary focus. 

Purely on an academic level, I can see your point and I could see myself arguing the same if not IN the situation.

What is different here is that if the marriage amendment passed, it would be a really big step in the wrong direction for a key group of people at my school.    The LGBTQ community is not small here.  I think that lack of support might actually hurt their retention rates.   I think the community in general expects the school to back issues that include same-sex marriage.  I DO think it would be unreasonable if the nearby Catholic university had a similar protest.  So, it's because of what this particular PRIVATE school stands for, and spends so much time supporting, in addition to the related church having taken a stand - it just seems weird to be passive.

Btw, the president has agree to meet with a small group to discuss.  It's not for a few hours, and she's a fantastic rhetorician, so she might still stick with her decision.  We'll see.

2012-09-25 1:52 PM
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BikerGrrrl - 2012-09-25 1:49 PM
popsracer - 2012-09-25 1:41 PM

It just seems to me that the same people that are pressuring the school to support a political position that they support would be the first to protest against the institution for taking a stand on an issue if it choose to support a position that differed from their own.

If the school took a stand against the issue, would the same people protest that the school has no business taking stands.

And I do not care what the issue is.  I am responding to this purely as I perceive in my opinion the role of a teaching facility to be and its primary focus. 

Purely on an academic level, I can see your point and I could see myself arguing the same if not IN the situation.

What is different here is that if the marriage amendment passed, it would be a really big step in the wrong direction for a key group of people at my school.    The LGBTQ community is not small here.  I think that lack of support might actually hurt their retention rates.   I think the community in general expects the school to back issues that include same-sex marriage.  I DO think it would be unreasonable if the nearby Catholic university had a similar protest.  So, it's because of what this particular PRIVATE school stands for, and spends so much time supporting, in addition to the related church having taken a stand - it just seems weird to be passive.

Btw, the president has agree to meet with a small group to discuss.  It's not for a few hours, and she's a fantastic rhetorician, so she might still stick with her decision.  We'll see.

I realize I don't get out much with regard to this issue...mostly I just don't care....and let me make it plainly clear that I don't care who marries who....what's the Q stand for?

2012-09-25 1:53 PM
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BikerGrrrl - 2012-09-25 2:49 PM
popsracer - 2012-09-25 1:41 PM

It just seems to me that the same people that are pressuring the school to support a political position that they support would be the first to protest against the institution for taking a stand on an issue if it choose to support a position that differed from their own.

If the school took a stand against the issue, would the same people protest that the school has no business taking stands.

And I do not care what the issue is.  I am responding to this purely as I perceive in my opinion the role of a teaching facility to be and its primary focus. 

Purely on an academic level, I can see your point and I could see myself arguing the same if not IN the situation.

What is different here is that if the marriage amendment passed, it would be a really big step in the wrong direction for a key group of people at my school.    The LGBTQ community is not small here.  I think that lack of support might actually hurt their retention rates.   I think the community in general expects the school to back issues that include same-sex marriage.  I DO think it would be unreasonable if the nearby Catholic university had a similar protest.  So, it's because of what this particular PRIVATE school stands for, and spends so much time supporting, in addition to the related church having taken a stand - it just seems weird to be passive.

Btw, the president has agree to meet with a small group to discuss.  It's not for a few hours, and she's a fantastic rhetorician, so she might still stick with her decision.  We'll see.

So the LGBT community is the important group and everyone else at the school can go hang?

Until of course a bigger louder someone else thinks their group is more important than yours.



2012-09-25 1:58 PM
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trinnas - 2012-09-25 2:53 PM

So the LGBT community is the important group and everyone else at the school can go hang?

Doesn't this assume that everyone else at the school is in favor of the amendment?

 

2012-09-25 2:00 PM
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trinnas - 2012-09-25 2:53 PM

So the LGBT community is the important group and everyone else at the school can go hang?

Doesn't this assume that everyone else at the school is in favor of the amendment?

 

No it assumes that their opinions one way or the other don't matter.

 

2012-09-25 2:03 PM
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trinnas - 2012-09-25 2:53 PM

So the LGBT community is the important group and everyone else at the school can go hang?

Doesn't this assume that everyone else at the school is in favor of the amendment?

No it assumes that their opinions one way or the other don't matter.

How is that?  The faculty have apparently voted to ask the BoT to oppose it.  Some students, at least, apparently support BoT opposition.  Do you know something about how these other people at the university feel that hasn't been expressed in this thread?

 

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Goosedog - 2012-09-25 3:03 PM
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Goosedog - 2012-09-25 2:58 PM
trinnas - 2012-09-25 2:53 PM

So the LGBT community is the important group and everyone else at the school can go hang?

Doesn't this assume that everyone else at the school is in favor of the amendment?

No it assumes that their opinions one way or the other don't matter.

How is that?  The faculty have apparently voted to ask the BoT to oppose it.  Some students, at least, apparently support BoT opposition.  Do you know something about how these other people at the university feel that hasn't been expressed in this thread?

 

for a key group of people at my school.

This is the phrase I was responding to.  The University I am sure has large numbers of students on both sides of the issue.  To say one it key implies the rest lack importance regardless of their position.

 

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