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2008-09-18 1:41 PM

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Anyone use their Camelback during race day?  I could put my couple tools in my small side pouches and maybe a tube and have my hydration at my disposal.  I have Trailbalzer and Rocket model Camelbacks; I'll use the Rocket (small water pouch bag) if anything.  

My alternative is buying a small saddle pouch for essentials, waterbottle rack and bottle, and the uncomfortable feeling of not having my hydration like I;ve trained.  I'm going Olympic in two weeks and am wondering if anyone has used their Camelback or seen anyone in action during a race. 

Alternatives/suggestions are welcome.  There'll be water stations along he bike course too.

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Harry



2008-09-18 1:42 PM
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Buy a saddle bag that goes under the seat to carry your tools.

I have used a Camelbak in an IM... but anything less than that... two water bottles on your down tubes will suffice.

2008-09-18 1:44 PM
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Many will tell you that the Camelbak is not necessary.  However I would say that you should do whatever you're most comfortable with.  Since you train with it now, go for it.  In the future you might want to try other things, like carrying what you need on the bike.

I personally carry my tools on the bike.  For hydration I have a water bottle on the bike and often carry a water bottle on the run.  I don't prefer to rely on the course.  I'm often mocked before races for bringing a fuel belt (like a half-mary), but when you're not the fastest, you do what you have to do. 

I did a race in August when I was one of the last Oly finishers   They ran out of water on the course and there was little to be had when I finished.  I would have been really happy to have a Camelbak that day!

Good luck!

2008-09-18 1:46 PM
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I have all my tools and spare tubes in a saddle bag under the seat.  Then I never have to worry about forgetting it on a training ride.  I may take some extras out o fit for a race, but it's always on.

I have used a camelback for my first HIM AND for all of my long training rides.  They are fine, but rare on a race course.  However, I decided after my first HIM, that they provide so much aid on the course, it wasn't needed.  Just two cages and an aero bottle held enough fluids.

2008-09-18 1:48 PM
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Aikidoman - 2008-09-18 2:46 PM

I have all my tools and spare tubes in a saddle bag under the seat.  Then I never have to worry about forgetting it on a training ride.  I may take some extras out o fit for a race, but it's always on.

I have used a camelback for my first HIM AND for all of my long training rides.  They are fine, but rare on a race course.  However, I decided after my first HIM, that they provide so much aid on the course, it wasn't needed.  Just two cages and an aero bottle held enough fluids.

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2008-09-18 1:52 PM
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I use mine on race day - easier for me to keep up my hydration (I'm terrible with water bottles) and I use the pockets for my tools.


2008-09-18 1:58 PM
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Training yes, but on race day, the course should be well supplied with essentials.  So you are just carrying extra weight.         Unless you need to have a specific fluid for yourself.

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2008-09-18 1:59 PM
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I've seen people with Camelbaks even in sprint races. IMO it's a huge sign screaming "I'M A NEWBIE!" For an Oly, 2 bottles should be sufficient. Plus many Oly races have at least one aid station on the bike. Others have alredy covered the tool considerations.

But if you don't have cages or a seat bag, and the Camelbak is all you have, then by all means use it.

2008-09-18 2:19 PM
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Donskiman - 2008-09-18 2:59 PM

I've seen people with Camelbaks even in sprint races. IMO it's a huge sign screaming "I'M A NEWBIE!" 

 
I'm a newbie for sure and not really worried about that.  I think I'll have a big target on my back when I ride on my mountian bike for the bike leg.  I'll be at a disadvantage already and am am out for persoanl achievement, BOP finish, and if I pass a biker on the road, I'll be sure to console them over crab cake at the celebration afterwards.  :P

All ribbing aside, this is my first tri, I invested the bike rental fee ($150; I'd have done 75 or 100) for a tune up in my MTB and will use that for race day in lieu of doing both, and am trying to get through with a minimal investement that will get me the most amount of use after race day as I'm also putting my money into a suite at the hotel the night before...

I'll price up racks/bottles and seat pouch (which I solely use on my bike anyway and not sure about the next tri if at all) but throw in the race belt and I'll weigh the costs and benefits.

This race day cr@P (with a smile)

 

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2008-09-18 2:39 PM
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The bottles would get the weight off your back, which may make you more comfortable. You can get two sets of cages & bottles for under $20. If the race has an expo, you can probably score two free bottles if you walk around early enough.

As far as support, which event is it? You can get opinions on how well run the event is, which will tell you how much you really need to be concerned about getting stranded without water.
2008-09-18 2:40 PM
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harryjuice - 2008-09-18 2:19 PM

Donskiman - 2008-09-18 2:59 PM

I've seen people with Camelbaks even in sprint races. IMO it's a huge sign screaming "I'M A NEWBIE!" 

 
I'm a newbie for sure and not really worried about that.  I think I'll have a big target on my back when I ride on my mountian bike for the bike leg.  I'll be at a disadvantage already and am am out for persoanl achievement, BOP finish, and if I pass a biker on the road, I'll be sure to console them over crab cake at the celebration afterwards.  :P

All ribbing aside, this is my first tri, I invested the bike rental fee ($150; I'd have done 75 or 100) for a tune up in my MTB and will use that for race day in lieu of doing both, and am trying to get through with a minimal investement that will get me the most amount of use after race day as I'm also putting my money into a suite at the hotel the night before...

I'll price up racks/bottles and seat pouch (which I solely use on my bike anyway and not sure about the next tri if at all) but throw in the race belt and I'll weigh the costs and benefits.

This race day cr@P (with a smile)

 

Harry



I think for the last sprint, my wife, who needs tons of water, used 2 camelbak Alterra's - the ones that hold 28 oz and go around your waist. It has 2 small pouches for tools, gels, or whatever. After the bike, she took the one off she finished and used the second to run.... quick, efficient, and no need to try to take water hand-offs from aid stations...seemed to work great for her...
  • ..and btw, who gives a rats a$$ if something looks like a huge sign screaming
  • "I'M A NEWBIE!"
    To me, posting crap like that screams even more loudly, "I'M A TRI ELITIST!!...AND I KNOW HOW TO LOOK GOOD FOR A RACE!!!!". (snerk)......do the race, wear the camelbak (i've seen them at every race) and have a helluva good time.....Scott


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    2008-09-18 3:03 PM
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    ......do the race, wear the camelbak (i've seen them at every race) and have a helluva good time.....Scott .

    FOR SURE!  The finish line crossed my mind last night and man how good its gonna feel is gonna be mind blowing.  Thanks, Scott!

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    Lisbeth Kristensen, 11th place female in Kona 2006, ran with a camelback. Stupid newbie.




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    2008-09-18 3:16 PM
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    RNH - 2008-09-18 3:39 PM The bottles would get the weight off your back, which may make you more comfortable. You can get two sets of cages & bottles for under $20. If the race has an expo, you can probably score two free bottles if you walk around early enough. As far as support, which event is it? You can get opinions on how well run the event is, which will tell you how much you really need to be concerned about getting stranded without water.


    The race is Naylor's beach and it is a smaller evernt, capped at 500, and not at 100% yet.  The bike map is here http://www.racesonline.com/uploads/naylorsbeachtri_bike.pdf and I can't tell what stations are where (but did read race reports from previous years and think there is good aid) but the abbreviation key is missing from the map.  I have an email to race director as we speak.

    The Camelback weight is not that bad and It's really just a small one and my Trailblazer is MUCH bigger and heavier, so weight will be better than what I'm used to training in.  I asked about the expo and will bring a bottle with me just so I know I have one.

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    I'm doing the bike leg of my HIM with a Camelbak, then probably using my waist-mounted one on the run.
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    Rad-Onc PA - 2008-09-18 1:40 PM
    harryjuice - 2008-09-18 2:19 PM
    Donskiman - 2008-09-18 2:59 PM

    I've seen people with Camelbaks even in sprint races. IMO it's a huge sign screaming "I'M A NEWBIE!" 


    I'm a newbie for sure and not really worried about that.  I think I'll have a big target on my back when I ride on my mountian bike for the bike leg.  I'll be at a disadvantage already and am am out for persoanl achievement, BOP finish, and if I pass a biker on the road, I'll be sure to console them over crab cake at the celebration afterwards.  :P

    All ribbing aside, this is my first tri, I invested the bike rental fee ($150; I'd have done 75 or 100) for a tune up in my MTB and will use that for race day in lieu of doing both, and am trying to get through with a minimal investement that will get me the most amount of use after race day as I'm also putting my money into a suite at the hotel the night before...

    I'll price up racks/bottles and seat pouch (which I solely use on my bike anyway and not sure about the next tri if at all) but throw in the race belt and I'll weigh the costs and benefits.

    This race day cr@P (with a smile)

     

    Harry

    I think for the last sprint, my wife, who needs tons of water, used 2 camelbak Alterra's - the ones that hold 28 oz and go around your waist. It has 2 small pouches for tools, gels, or whatever. After the bike, she took the one off she finished and used the second to run.... quick, efficient, and no need to try to take water hand-offs from aid stations...seemed to work great for her... ...and btw, who gives a rats a$$ if something looks like a huge sign screaming "I'M A NEWBIE!" To me, posting crap like that screams even more loudly, "I'M A TRI ELITIST!!...AND I KNOW HOW TO LOOK GOOD FOR A RACE!!!!". (snerk)......do the race, wear the camelbak (i've seen them at every race) and have a helluva good time.....Scott .

    FWIW, I never indicated that having something indicating "I'M A NEWBIE!" was a bad thing. At one time all of us were newbies and most likely looked like one. I know I did.

    And wow, if your wife needed 56 ounces of fluid for a sprint it may signal that she is a bit out of the ordinary. Not that it's a bad thing. How would she ever get enough fluid for a longer race? She couldn't possibly carry more than 200 ounces for a HIM - could she?



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    dlb3830 - 2008-09-18 2:10 PM Lisbeth Kristensen, 11th place female in Kona 2006, ran with a camelback. Stupid newbie.

    The comment was directed toward short distance racers in the first place and I NEVER INDICATED THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH LOOKING LIKE A NEWBIE!

    2008-09-18 3:48 PM
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    I used a Camelbak on my first HIM. That was mostly because there was only one handup on the 59-mile course.

    Then again, for my two IM's, I used a single bottle cage since the handups were so frequent.

    For Olys, I just use a single bottle. That's plenty to keep from going too far into the hole in the hour+ that the bike lasts.

    The bottom line, though, is do what works for you.
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    Just found out there is no water support on the bike leg.  26 and no water = no good for me.  One bottle ain't gonna cut it for me folks.  The Rocket is gonna get broken in.

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    A few point on the use of a camel backs. 

     I have used them on log ride (road races)and HIM.  The main reason that I use one it keeps my liquid cool where a bottle in a cage can gets hot.  I also use my own hydration replacement.  Hammer has some great products and if some of them get to hot like Sustained Energy and Perpetuem they can turn bad in the heat.  Also because I use Hammer products and most races use other Crap stuff for hydration I need to bring my own nutrition along for the ride.

    Its nice to have 70oz of water and be able to pass up aid stations that have lines of people get refilled.  I have seen many wrecks at aid stations with people getting refills or just handed new water bottles to riders..

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    harryjuice - 2008-09-18 1:50 PM Just found out there is no water support on the bike leg.  26 and no water = no good for me.  One bottle ain't gonna cut it for me folks.  The Rocket is gonna get broken in.

    Harry

    Typical (at least in these parts).  I have not been in an Oly yet that had aid stations for the bike.  Not to say they don't exist.

    That's why I have my aero bottle full, and two full bottle behind the seat to refill.  I usually don't drink it all, but it's better to have a half bottle left over than run out.  BTW, I race in 90-100 degree heat, so go through a lot of fluids.



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    dlb3830 - 2008-09-18 1:10 PM Lisbeth Kristensen, 11th place female in Kona 2006, ran with a camelback. Stupid newbie.

    Camelback whatever, use whatever works,,,, but THANKS for posting that pic! 

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    I always use my CamelBack when I train in my bike...and....for long distances Races...(Oly and HIM)...

    I don't think I'm a stupid newbie...very smart...It's very easy....free hands...I don't waste my time stopping to get bottles of water....



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    You could mount a Neverreach on the back of your seat 64 oz and still have the tube for fluids but thats $100. My first sprint I didnt drink any water, it was over in 90 min. I used a belt camelback on my first half mary (45 oz) , but I didn't need it with aid stations every 1-2 miles. I do use the camelback for long runs in practice. On long rides in the summer (95 F+) 100 oz of water isn't enough so I have to use like everything.

    Bottom line, first tri is about comfort and getting through it as comfortably as you can. You will learn what you do and don't need for your next one. Less weight on your back is usually better, but comfort sometimes trumps speed.
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    I've been considering using my camelbak, as my bottles get warm halfway through my rides. I have even filled them up with ice, but by the time i get to the last 1/4, it's always warm.For me, a cold drink during a ride can make ALL of the difference...

    I'm not concerned with image, as some of you cyclist are! (yes, that was a lowblow! )

    If aero is a concern, i have seen d00ds put them under their shirts.

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