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2012-08-14 7:26 AM

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2012-08-14 8:35 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping
nolehypothesis - 2012-08-14 6:26 AM

Short wired.com article on the recent CDC obesity survey. Every state has at least 1 in 5 people who are obese (>30 BMI). Twelve states have at least 1 in 3 people who are obese. Nothing too surprising here, but the map changes in obesity over the years is kind of interesting.

BTW-The study uses BMI which I know is not the best indicator of body fat, but for an over the phone survey it's probably the best choice. 

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/08/cdc-everyone-fat/

I think BMI is a poor indicator of obesity. Last year while trainin for my HIM and working out ~10ish hours/week I weighed in around 225. At 6'0, that makes me obese. Yet I was in the best shape of my post swimming life. 

Having said that, I think I'm the exception and the majority of people with a BMI over 30 probably are overweight/obese.

2012-08-14 8:53 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping
JoshR - 2012-08-14 9:35 AM
nolehypothesis - 2012-08-14 6:26 AM

Short wired.com article on the recent CDC obesity survey. Every state has at least 1 in 5 people who are obese (>30 BMI). Twelve states have at least 1 in 3 people who are obese. Nothing too surprising here, but the map changes in obesity over the years is kind of interesting.

BTW-The study uses BMI which I know is not the best indicator of body fat, but for an over the phone survey it's probably the best choice. 

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/08/cdc-everyone-fat/

I think BMI is a poor indicator of obesity. Last year while trainin for my HIM and working out ~10ish hours/week I weighed in around 225. At 6'0, that makes me obese. Yet I was in the best shape of my post swimming life. 

Having said that, I think I'm the exception and the majority of people with a BMI over 30 probably are overweight/obese.

I agree.  At IMCdA I was 6'4" and 200lbs.  That's 24.3.  24.9 is considered overweight.  I was no where near close to "overweight".

I also agree that most people over a BMI of 30 probably have a few pounds to lose.

2012-08-14 8:59 AM
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2012-08-14 9:10 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping

BMI, as it is defined now, is only a good metric for those who lead a sedentary life.   That, unfortunately, is most people in US.  Those of us who lead an active life are a too small minority and the BMI does not describe us with any amount of accuracy.     We need a different metric.   Seems most people no longer are taught to take care of themselves physically.  What ever happened to recess and physical education in the public schools?  Sloth and gluttony seems to be the accepted course of action for most.   Once upon a time these qualities were deemed sinful.   Now they are deemed unhealthy.   Sinful or not, they are bad habits to have.  Being a libertarian I feel people can do as they like, even if it shortens life and/or decreases the quality of one's life.  But on the other hand I can see the social cost in the bigger picture.  Having a healthy body is a two front fight.    All one has to do is to eat and exercise in moderation.   Alas, moderation seems to be another concept that our society has flushed down the toilet.

Be a gourmet, not a gourmand. Be epicurean and not a glutton.  Get active.  

/soap box



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2012-08-14 9:13 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping
MadMathemagician - 2012-08-14 10:10 AM

What ever happened to recess and physical education in the public schools? 

Budget cuts.  My cousin substitute teaches elementary school and creates spelling and vocabulary games that involve lots of running and jumping because the school district she teaches at can't afford to keep a PE teacher/insurance.



2012-08-14 9:22 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping
I think BMI is a valid metric when you’re looking at a population. Yes, there will be outliers—people with high or borderline BMI aren’t necessarily fat or unhealthy, but for the majority it’s safe to assume they are.

It’s interesting how it follows geography so closely. In general, the trend toward obesity started in the East and moved west and now is more concentrated in the South than anywhere else. Why do we think that is?
2012-08-14 9:26 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-08-14 10:22 AM I think BMI is a valid metric when you’re looking at a population. Yes, there will be outliers—people with high or borderline BMI aren’t necessarily fat or unhealthy, but for the majority it’s safe to assume they are. It’s interesting how it follows geography so closely. In general, the trend toward obesity started in the East and moved west and now is more concentrated in the South than anywhere else. Why do we think that is?

Moon Pies, Pork Skins and Country Fairs?

Education probably plays a big part.

2012-08-14 9:31 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping

jmk-brooklyn - 2012-08-14 8:22 AM  Why do we think that is?


Fried Shrimp, fried fish, roux, fried pickles, fried alligator, pecan pie, beer, Hurricanes, drive thru daiquiri shops, homemade ice cream...
need I continue???
Everytime I go home I gain weight... hell, my mom came out last week for two nights and I gained 3lbs!!!

Example of "veggie" dish cooked last week...

1lb of bacon smothered w/ onions.  "DON'T DRAIN THAT!!!"  quote my mother as I went to get rid of the drippings before adding in the 8 ears of corn and rotel tomato.

Yeah, last I knew La also had the highest rating in diabetes. 

2012-08-14 9:40 AM
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Minnesota! Less fat than the rest of the middle of the country Cool

 

Now I can enjoy those three cartons of fried cheese at the fair this year without feeling guilty :-)

2012-08-14 9:41 AM
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2012-08-14 9:48 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping
TriRSquared - 2012-08-14 9:26 AM

jmk-brooklyn - 2012-08-14 10:22 AM I think BMI is a valid metric when you’re looking at a population. Yes, there will be outliers—people with high or borderline BMI aren’t necessarily fat or unhealthy, but for the majority it’s safe to assume they are. It’s interesting how it follows geography so closely. In general, the trend toward obesity started in the East and moved west and now is more concentrated in the South than anywhere else. Why do we think that is?

Moon Pies, Pork Skins and Country Fairs?

Education probably plays a big part.

Wasn't it the Texas State Fair that introduced us to deep fried Coke, deep fried butter, and deep fried beer.

2012-08-14 9:50 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping
Yeah, but there’s unhealthy food everywhere now, especially with the prevalence of fast-food and chain restaurants like Applebee’s and Ruby Tuesday’s, and Chili’s, which are barely a step up from fast food. NY has a relatively low incidence of obesity, but there’s certainly no shortage of bad food here.

I think TriR hit it on the head when he said education, but, to take it a step further—do you mean education about healthy eating choices or education in general? IOW, do you think there’s a correlation between being under-educated and being obese? There certainly seems to be. And if so, why? I’d also toss out that off the top of my head, I’d guess that the states with the highest level of obesity are also states that tend to have more people living at or near poverty.

There definitely seems to be a connection between poverty/education/obesity, but I’m not an epidemiologist, so I can’t really get my head around what it is, other than just making assumptions.
2012-08-14 9:59 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-08-14 10:50 AM Yeah, but there’s unhealthy food everywhere now, especially with the prevalence of fast-food and chain restaurants like Applebee’s and Ruby Tuesday’s, and Chili’s, which are barely a step up from fast food. NY has a relatively low incidence of obesity, but there’s certainly no shortage of bad food here. I think TriR hit it on the head when he said education, but, to take it a step further—do you mean education about healthy eating choices or education in general? IOW, do you think there’s a correlation between being under-educated and being obese? There certainly seems to be. And if so, why? I’d also toss out that off the top of my head, I’d guess that the states with the highest level of obesity are also states that tend to have more people living at or near poverty. There definitely seems to be a connection between poverty/education/obesity, but I’m not an epidemiologist, so I can’t really get my head around what it is, other than just making assumptions.

I'd agree with this too.  Fast food is cheap.  You CAN eat healthy cheaply but it takes a lot of research and a commitment to working for it.

For a single mom holding down 2 job it's a whole lot easier to stop by McDonald's.

Another factor is parents not caring enough to tell children "no".  Coke and candy and cake all tastes good.  Broccoli cannot compare.  But we all remember our parents telling us to finish our vegetables.  I think that is lacking today.

Case in point: Honey Boo Boo Child's Go-Go Juice. (how's that for tying in 2 threads?)

2012-08-14 10:00 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping
wgraves7582 - 2012-08-14 8:41 AM
MadMathemagician - 2012-08-14 10:10 AM

Alas, moderation seems to be another concept that our society has flushed down the toilet.

Be a gourmet, not a gourmand. Be epicurean and not a glutton.  Get active.  

/soap box

That is perfect.  I rode to a BBQ on Saturday afternoon at my in-laws.  It was 16 miles and I had a tail wind the whole there (they do exist I felt it ).  When I got there everyone was like oh you must be starving sit down and eat.

I kindly replied that I wasn't starving.  That is was only 16 miles (not 160 miles) and I was good for the time being.

When I got around to eat I took some salad, small serving of potato salad, and half a hot dog (no hamburgers - what kind of bbq is that????) and then proceeded to ride home 1 hour later without dying of starvation - imagine that.

Now the average serving at a family BBQ is 3 or 4 hot dogs, as much potato salad you can fit on the plate, and then some salad to make it look good.

Moderation is something they know nothing of and are not interested in learning about it!

 

That's carbo loading!

I ballooned up to 240 this year due to winter/having a baby and I just felt fat and lazy. I decided I needed somethign to train for so I'm now training for my first marathon. I knew I couldn't run a marathon at 240 so I needed to lose some weight. I started off by just running a little bit and trying to cut my meals down from 3-4 hot dogs to 1-2 hto dogs (I rarely eat hot dogs, just an example). I lost 12 pounds in 2 weeks. Now that I'm running a lot (to me) my appetite is back and it's hard not to eat 3-4 hot dogs. I do splurge on Fridays and pig out before my long run on Saturday (15 miles this weekend, I'm going to die).

For me the hardest thing is controlling my appetite. I plateaued around 225 for 2-3 weeks because I was starting to get hungry from all of my training. I tried to reel my appetite back in the last 2 weeks and I've dropped down to 222. I think most people can't make themselves do this (myself included when I ballooned up to 240).

2012-08-14 10:23 AM
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2012-08-14 10:32 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping
While BMI is far from accurate.....the trends on those maps are unmistakable.  WOW.  What a sad statement on the lack of health in this country.  Access to the most nutritional knowledge and all the gym access you could ask for......grocery stores on almost every corner.......yet morbid obesity reigns supreme.
2012-08-14 10:38 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping
mmrocker13 - 2012-08-14 9:40 AM

Minnesota! Less fat than the rest of the middle of the country Cool

Now I can enjoy those three cartons of fried cheese at the fair this year without feeling guilty :-)

Yes!

2012-08-14 11:34 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping
Obviously everything already listed is part of the big issue. I would also point to lack of mass transit in much of the south. When people us a train, subway, bus they do some walking. In Houston where I live there is bussing in very limited areas. Nobody walks anywhere. Bike lanes are rare and not observed. I get in my car to drive to a safer area for most of my bike rides.
2012-08-14 11:40 AM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping
TriRSquared - 2012-08-14 10:59 AM

jmk-brooklyn - 2012-08-14 10:50 AM Yeah, but there’s unhealthy food everywhere now, especially with the prevalence of fast-food and chain restaurants like Applebee’s and Ruby Tuesday’s, and Chili’s, which are barely a step up from fast food. NY has a relatively low incidence of obesity, but there’s certainly no shortage of bad food here. I think TriR hit it on the head when he said education, but, to take it a step further—do you mean education about healthy eating choices or education in general? IOW, do you think there’s a correlation between being under-educated and being obese? There certainly seems to be. And if so, why? I’d also toss out that off the top of my head, I’d guess that the states with the highest level of obesity are also states that tend to have more people living at or near poverty. There definitely seems to be a connection between poverty/education/obesity, but I’m not an epidemiologist, so I can’t really get my head around what it is, other than just making assumptions.

I'd agree with this too.  Fast food is cheap.  You CAN eat healthy cheaply but it takes a lot of research and a commitment to working for it.

For a single mom holding down 2 job it's a whole lot easier to stop by McDonald's.

Another factor is parents not caring enough to tell children "no".  Coke and candy and cake all tastes good.  Broccoli cannot compare.  But we all remember our parents telling us to finish our vegetables.  I think that is lacking today.

Case in point: Honey Boo Boo Child's Go-Go Juice. (how's that for tying in 2 threads?)

I think there are a lot of factors at play here.  Starting with parents that have poor diets.  Even if schools are doing a better job of teaching nutrition, it is very difficult to get the parents on the same page. You can get a sense of this by the reaction to making public school lunches more healthy.  

Add the difference between the amount of time it takes to serve/heat fast food versus a healthy meal. Lets face it, people are lazy and if they can have dinner ready in 10 minutes and be in front of the tv watching their favorite show versus 30 minutes and missing their show. The 10 minute fast meal will win out.

I think those in impoverished areas face another challenge as it becomes more difficult to find they typically stocked grocery store.  A report last year about Philadelphia showed that the only available places to shop was the local corner store.  So their options were pretty limited unless they wanted to take a bus ride to a different neighborhood. I don't know if this issue spans the country, but I would expect it would. 

Top it off with the change in available technology, IE video games.  Kids play video games instead of playing outside and parents are letting it happen.  How often do you see kids inside at a bbq playing on their portable what ever, instead of being outside?

Peer pressure is another factor.  I find parents fall in this category and have found myself in this situation.  We typically do not give our daughter (2 1/2) junk food.  Trying to stick to that at a BBQ or a birthday party is hard.  We find other parents are willing to shove crackers, chips, pretzels and what have you in our daughters face and we have to jump and say no.  Ever try taking a chip away from a 2year old.  We have formed better defense and prep for the situation.  We try to steer our daughter to the healthier veggie platter, which she is more than content with. 

Sorry for the long winded post. 

2012-08-14 11:51 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-08-14 9:22 AM I think BMI is a valid metric when you’re looking at a population. Yes, there will be outliers—people with high or borderline BMI aren’t necessarily fat or unhealthy, but for the majority it’s safe to assume they are. It’s interesting how it follows geography so closely. In general, the trend toward obesity started in the East and moved west and now is more concentrated in the South than anywhere else. Why do we think that is?

Population migrations would be my vote.

And I'd agree with your poverty statement also.



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2012-08-14 11:53 AM
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I'm also guessing the change in this map probably correlates very closes to the increase in health care spending in our country.
2012-08-14 12:01 PM
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There are two things that I notice.

1.  Specifically from the comments on the article and even here on this site, people don't want to admit they are over weight or have weight to lose.  (It's the first thing I look at each year when I set my goals for the next Tri Season)

2.  Our society has made it taboo to be open about people being fat.  We're told that it's ok, that we shouldn't stare, don't point.  You don't want to hurt their feelings.  I understand that we don't want to be mean, but sometimes the truth hurts.  It is not o.k. to be morbidly obese.  When people pretend that those around them are not obese, they are doing more harm than good.  Sometimes it's not the person's fault.  Those are the people who we need to help the most.

2012-08-14 12:32 PM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping

jmk-brooklyn - 2012-08-14 7:22 AM I think BMI is a valid metric when you’re looking at a population. Yes, there will be outliers—people with high or borderline BMI aren’t necessarily fat or unhealthy, but for the majority it’s safe to assume they are. It’s interesting how it follows geography so closely. In general, the trend toward obesity started in the East and moved west and now is more concentrated in the South than anywhere else. Why do we think that is?

I agree.  I think there has been SO much knocking BMI on this site that it has slanted the other way now - it's not COMPLETE rubish.  Of course if you ask a bunch of athletes what they think of BMI, it's flawed.  People that tend to have higher muscle mass (athletes) it may not apply.

As for a quick and dirty estimator of obesity for your average person (MOST of this country is not a dedicated athlete) it's not a bad indicator, IMO.

I think a good test would be to compair our numbers with a "thin" nation.  To see if they fall more within the BMI healthy range than the US.

It SORT OF seems to me, that instead of saying, yeah, we are fat as a nation based on the BMI, we blame the "test" and say it's not valid.

2012-08-14 12:47 PM
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Subject: RE: CDC obesity mapping

I think by just traveling, you can see these trends.

I have lived in the "skinny" states for almost 20 years now (Colorado, Nevada, Utah, California areas)...  I think people tend to be "heavy" here.  But when I visit family in Texas and Florida?  It's STRIKING who you see walking around and dining out.  Not just heavy but HUGE...  I sort of stood there and gawed when I went out to eat a couple times in Florida.  I suggest sticking to South Beach down there.

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