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2012-09-17 8:54 PM

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Not sure how his team will spin this...does he really feel that way about Americans or was he playing to the "rich" crowd.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81312.html?hp=t2_3


2012-09-17 9:43 PM
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Meh. I haven't watched the video, yet, but I've read the HuffPo piece about it and all of their quotes in it, and I don't think that he says anything inaccurate, shocking, nor demeaning in there. Of course, it's being spun like what he says is somehow bad, and the Obama campaign is playing up the righteous indignation for all it's worth.
2012-09-17 10:00 PM
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I was insulted, not really, but more shocked that he called nearly half of the US free loaders that just want stuff from gov. I just don't think he gets "it" and his dream team of consultants need to rethink their strategy if they want to relate to everyday guy on the street.
2012-09-17 10:04 PM
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That video is an embarrassment for our country. As someone who recently was in the 47%, I was not a victim nor did I believe myself a victim. If you agree with his statement, then you are part of the problem this country is facing. Since we as a country seem to be embracing this pathetic form of pandering, we are reaping what we sow.

2012-09-17 10:09 PM
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running2far - 2012-09-17 10:00 PM I was insulted, not really, but more shocked that he called nearly half of the US free loaders that just want stuff from gov. I just don't think he gets "it" and his dream team of consultants need to rethink their strategy if they want to relate to everyday guy on the street.

I was actually surprised he said it so I'm with you a little bit.  I wasn't insulted but there are certainly nicer ways to say essentially the same thing.

I don't like the fact that more than 50% of americans use some sort of government assistance, but there are genuine people (disabled vets, elderly, etc...) who are most certainly not "free loaders" in my mind that get lumped into that category.  There are a lot of freeloaders though too.  Most of them are related to me.

Obama's been praying the last few nights for a distraction to deflect from Libya so he may have just found one.  

2012-09-17 10:25 PM
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Mitt Romney held a hastily arranged press conference here to engage in damage control hours after a May video of him surfaced at a private fundraiser describing 47 percent of the country as “dependent upon the government.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81312.html#ixzz26mrbwahI

What part do you have a issue with? Do you deny that 47 percent are dependent on the Government? I am retired from the Navy I am a government dependent. Do you know over 40% of our school students are on reduced or free lunch? Here read it yourself http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA694.pdf I see advertising at schools and at the local Wal-Mart for FREE LUNCH at school. Do many of you know your tax money is used to provide free lunch in the summer? Don't take my word call your local High School cafeteria and ask them. I speak to the kids on welfare every day and the VAST majority are Obama supporters.  I worked for the Texas Employment commission and I can tell you most an overriding majority of those on welfare do not want to work and feel they are entitled to as much as they can get from the government. And guess who they are voting for?



2012-09-18 7:44 AM
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There are those who need Govt assistance, and those who feel they deserve it.  Of the 47% who get some Govt assistance, any idea of how many "Need" it?  I don't have the answer, but if it was 50%-60% of those, I'd be surprised.  We are building a welfare state.  We can't afford it.  And to be honest, I don't want to support it.  I believe in accountability, and self reliance.  I believe we should be there to help if necessary.  I just don't believe that in most cases it is necessary.
2012-09-18 8:03 AM
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 Anyone outraged by these statistics should take a step back and consider why they feel that way. I've got an uncle who hasn't worked a day since he got out of prison in the early 70's. He passed that work ethic on to his son, who hasn't worked a day since was able to scam disability from the only job he ever held. So far he hasn't been able to breed so he's kind of stuck at that income level and won't ever get a raise until he does have a kid or the government ups his disability/welfare. Pretty f***ing sad existence. You can bet your next welfare check he's not voting for Romney.
2012-09-18 8:13 AM
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It's a very misleading figure. It includes the 16% of people receiving Social Security. Given the fact that I'm paying into the system during my working years, I would not consider that a handout.

15% of Americans receive food stamps. 26% of Americans receive Medicaid benefits. WIC (women, infants, children) are 8%. 4% receive housing assistance.

While there is no doubt that there is abuse of the system, and that a percentage of people receiving assistance should be in jail for what is basically theft, the safety net is also used by people who are truly in need. I would expect the numbers to go up in a severe recession, and to go down as the economy improves.

But for a presidential candidate to say "it's not my job to worry about these people' is callous at best.

2012-09-18 8:27 AM
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I think he really feels that way and was a stupid thing to say - another "oops" moment for him and his campaign.  I'd say it will cost him another few percentage points of the much needed middle as it will get used in ads and spread via TV, the interwebs and word of mouth.  No way this can do anything but hurt him with swing voters....
2012-09-18 8:33 AM
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CBarnes - 2012-09-17 10:25 PM

Mitt Romney held a hastily arranged press conference here to engage in damage control hours after a May video of him surfaced at a private fundraiser describing 47 percent of the country as “dependent upon the government.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81312.html#ixzz26mrbwahI

What part do you have a issue with? Do you deny that 47 percent are dependent on the Government? I am retired from the Navy I am a government dependent. Do you know over 40% of our school students are on reduced or free lunch? Here read it yourself http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA694.pdf I see advertising at schools and at the local Wal-Mart for FREE LUNCH at school. Do many of you know your tax money is used to provide free lunch in the summer? Don't take my word call your local High School cafeteria and ask them. I speak to the kids on welfare every day and the VAST majority are Obama supporters.  I worked for the Texas Employment commission and I can tell you most an overriding majority of those on welfare do not want to work and feel they are entitled to as much as they can get from the government. And guess who they are voting for?



It wasn't the % it was everything he said after that....victims etc etc. I used gov't student loans I didn't feel I was a victim or a leach or was entitled to anything. I'm interested in why he thinks that why about nearly half of the people in the US.


2012-09-18 8:34 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-09-18 8:13 AM

It's a very misleading figure. It includes the 16% of people receiving Social Security. Given the fact that I'm paying into the system during my working years, I would not consider that a handout.

15% of Americans receive food stamps. 26% of Americans receive Medicaid benefits. WIC (women, infants, children) are 8%. 4% receive housing assistance.

While there is no doubt that there is abuse of the system, and that a percentage of people receiving assistance should be in jail for what is basically theft, the safety net is also used by people who are truly in need. I would expect the numbers to go up in a severe recession, and to go down as the economy improves.

But for a presidential candidate to say "it's not my job to worry about these people' is callous at best.

That's kind of what I was trying to say but you said it in a much more eloquent way.  

2012-09-18 8:39 AM
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ejshowers - 2012-09-18 9:27 AMI think he really feels that way and was a stupid thing to say - another "oops" moment for him and his campaign.  I'd say it will cost him another few percentage points of the much needed middle as it will get used in ads and spread via TV, the interwebs and word of mouth.  No way this can do anything but hurt him with swing voters....
Yeap...he feels that way and he cant disguise it no matter how hard he tries.
2012-09-18 8:44 AM
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tuwood - 2012-09-18 9:34 AM
BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-09-18 8:13 AM

It's a very misleading figure. It includes the 16% of people receiving Social Security. Given the fact that I'm paying into the system during my working years, I would not consider that a handout.

15% of Americans receive food stamps. 26% of Americans receive Medicaid benefits. WIC (women, infants, children) are 8%. 4% receive housing assistance.

While there is no doubt that there is abuse of the system, and that a percentage of people receiving assistance should be in jail for what is basically theft, the safety net is also used by people who are truly in need. I would expect the numbers to go up in a severe recession, and to go down as the economy improves.

But for a presidential candidate to say "it's not my job to worry about these people' is callous at best.

That's kind of what I was trying to say but you said it in a much more eloquent way.  

Somehow I don't get the sense that you were calling Mitt callous.

2012-09-18 8:46 AM
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I'm not sure if this raises to the level of "you didn't build that" but it's kind of along the same lines of class warfare but in the other direction.

<getting out my tinfoil hat now>  As someone who loves the political game and looks for strategy in these kinds of moves.  The video was recorded in May so they've been sitting on it for four months waiting for the "opportune" time to release it for the most political benefit.  So my guess is this was slated for a last minute october surprise, but with the president getting torched for his foreign policy they needed a distraction now.  So purely speculation on my part is they were forced to play this card early for the distraction.  Unfortunately for Obama the political benefit/bounce of this recording will likely fade long before November.

2012-09-18 8:46 AM
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mrbbrad - 2012-09-18 8:44 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-09-18 8:13 AM

It's a very misleading figure. It includes the 16% of people receiving Social Security. Given the fact that I'm paying into the system during my working years, I would not consider that a handout.

15% of Americans receive food stamps. 26% of Americans receive Medicaid benefits. WIC (women, infants, children) are 8%. 4% receive housing assistance.

While there is no doubt that there is abuse of the system, and that a percentage of people receiving assistance should be in jail for what is basically theft, the safety net is also used by people who are truly in need. I would expect the numbers to go up in a severe recession, and to go down as the economy improves.

But for a presidential candidate to say "it's not my job to worry about these people' is callous at best.

That's kind of what I was trying to say but you said it in a much more eloquent way.  

Somehow I don't get the sense that you were calling Mitt callous.

True, I was more referring to whose on entitlements



2012-09-18 8:48 AM
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CBarnes - 2012-09-17 10:25 PM

Mitt Romney held a hastily arranged press conference here to engage in damage control hours after a May video of him surfaced at a private fundraiser describing 47 percent of the country as “dependent upon the government.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81312.html#ixzz26mrbwahI

What part do you have a issue with? Do you deny that 47 percent are dependent on the Government? I am retired from the Navy I am a government dependent. Do you know over 40% of our school students are on reduced or free lunch? Here read it yourself http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA694.pdf I see advertising at schools and at the local Wal-Mart for FREE LUNCH at school. Do many of you know your tax money is used to provide free lunch in the summer? Don't take my word call your local High School cafeteria and ask them. I speak to the kids on welfare every day and the VAST majority are Obama supporters.  I worked for the Texas Employment commission and I can tell you most an overriding majority of those on welfare do not want to work and feel they are entitled to as much as they can get from the government. And guess who they are voting for?



The first line that says ``Romney was close — 46 percent paid no federal income taxes in 2011.'' so one might think Romney wasn't in fact skewing the facts and manipulating the data when in fact he was.

It goes on to explain that half of those earn too little to pay taxes and of the other half, ``44 percent use tax deductions designed to help the elderly, and 30 percent use tax deductions that aid the working poor or children.''

So what are we talking about here? We're talking about people using legal tax breaks to lower their income below what's considered taxable, so they're simply lowering their tax liability. Explain how it's wrong for a family of four making $26,400 to do that? I mean, it seems to be OK when wealthy people use tax law to their advantage but when poor people do it, they're sucking off the government teat? Sounds like a double standard to me. Nothing these people are doing is illegal, yet people make it sound like such a bad thing that they're using legal means to lower their tax liability and, legally, paying zero taxes.
2012-09-18 8:58 AM
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NM, wrong reply to tri thread


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2012-09-18 9:03 AM
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mr2tony - 2012-09-18 9:48 AM 

So what are we talking about here? We're talking about people using legal tax breaks to lower their income below what's considered taxable, so they're simply lowering their tax liability. Explain how it's wrong for a family of four making $26,400 to do that? I mean, it seems to be OK when wealthy people use tax law to their advantage but when poor people do it, they're sucking off the government teat?

Why do you hate America?

2012-09-18 9:05 AM
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2012-09-18 9:09 AM
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Mitt even said if he did not take advantage of every tax break even to him by law he would not be qualified to be president.


2012-09-18 9:09 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-09-18 9:13 AM

 

But for a presidential candidate to say "it's not my job to worry about these people' is callous at best.

 

x2.  It has nothing to do with the figure, number or percentage.  Trying to discuss the legitamacy or policies of that number is just a red herring.  Romney said something jaw dropping. 

I call it diplomacy or tact.  I frequently think things about my partner that may or may not be true.  But I don't say them.  Not unless I want to sleep on the couch.  Romney just did that.  He shared a thought that many have but didn't need to be said on a public stage.  And his refusal to apologize is more insulting. 

2012-09-18 9:45 AM
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Not trying to deflect here, but this does remind me a little of Obama's "clinging to guns and religion" talk to fundraisers back in 2008.  The topics are obviously different, but more the nature of talking to your base at fundraisers getting one in trouble.  You'd think these knuckleheads would learn that they're always on mic.
2012-09-18 10:30 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-09-18 9:13 AM

But for a presidential candidate to say "it's not my job to worry about these people' is callous at best.

If you listen to the recording that statement had to do with not worrying about their vote. He wasn't referring to their welfare.

His point was that since they don't pay federal income that group wouldn't respond to his message of lower taxes therefore he won't have to worry about their vote.

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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-09-18 9:13 AM

But for a presidential candidate to say "it's not my job to worry about these people' is callous at best.

If you listen to the recording that statement had to do with not worrying about their vote. He wasn't referring to their welfare.

His point was that since they don't pay federal income that group wouldn't respond to his message of lower taxes therefore he won't have to worry about their vote.

The next line in his talk is: "I'll never convince them (47%) they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."  Seriously? So if you are able to take advantage of the tax code and that results in zero income tax, or you're a student, or on Social Security, e.g. you have no personal responsibility?

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