Long term improvement
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2008-04-23 11:43 AM |
Not a Coach 11473![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Media, PA | Subject: Long term improvementOK. First, this thread is in part to just let me brag about my sister. But it's also for all the beginners (and not-so-beginners) to remind them that progress in endurance sports is often measured over YEARS, not weeks or months. And, admittedly, it's largely just a reminder for myself. I'm (somewhat) more likely to heed my own advice when I actually dish it out to others. Some people here already know my sister, and know her as a very talented endurance athlete. But she was hardly the 'athletic' type growing up. No team sports. No individual sports. She'd play tag or run-the-bases with us, but was never even one of the girls you'd pick out as fast or athletically gifted in any way. This was true all the way through college. It wasn't until her mid-20s that she decided to try running. She ran her first marathon at Marine Corps in 1996. She blazed to the finish in 4:53. And she was hooked. Gradually, she chipped away at her marathon times. She qualified for Boston for the first time in 2001 (3:27 at Philly) and ran it in 2002 (ran it in 2000 as well, but was not qualified--and at the time wasn't sure she would). After that, she had some injury issues that kept her from running as much as she would have liked--she still ran, but not as much and not usually as long when she did. In late 2004, she decided to take up triathlons at the same time as I did--actually pushed me to enter an oly before I had ever done a single race. Gradually, replacing some of her running with swimming and cycling helped her injury issues to at least subside somewhat. She returned to the marathon in 2006 (now 10 years from when she started) and finished IMLP last year with me (breathing down my neck!). This week, she set a marathon PR at Boston (3:26)--12 years after her first marathon. She had won her AG at a HIM on Saturday, so was hardly at her freshest for Boston (though she does seem to thrive at racing on little rest--seems to help her pacing, which is another lesson for us all). So 12 years after she started running, much closer to 40 than 20, she is running as fast as she ever has. How? It's not some magic 'speed' workouts. It's mostly just running consistently over a LONG period of time. For the record, I believe my sister is/was as impatient as most of us are. But she never let her frustration stop her from continually plugging away. As most of us enter another racing season, seems like it might be good to keep the long view on the radar even as we get caught up in the exhilaration or disappointments that we're treated to in any given race. Something I try to (not always successfully) remind myself about anyway. |
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2008-04-23 11:46 AM in reply to: #1356944 |
Elite 2915![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() New City, New York | Subject: RE: Long term improvementGreat post JK. As I like to say... I'm not getting older, I'm getting faster! Kudos to your sister. And, I'm glad she's not racing Harriman. Finishing behind both of you gets old in a hurry Edited by rollinbones 2008-04-23 11:49 AM |
2008-04-23 12:17 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
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2008-04-23 12:18 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
Subject: RE: Long term improvementSome of us BT'ers got to cheer her on at the Kinetic Half-Iron on Saturday - was lots of fun! Her story above makes me feel a little more hopeful about my suckiness - I didn't get into sports until about a year ago, and I am also in my mid-20's Edited by wurkit_gurl 2008-04-23 12:19 PM |
2008-04-23 12:24 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
Veteran 399![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Long term improvementWhat an excellent post! Puts it in perspective for both newbies and folks with a couple of seasons under their belt. It's very similar to what the coach that runs my track club says (over 60 marathons to his credit), "There's plenty of fast people out there; you just have to stick with it just like they did". |
2008-04-23 12:38 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
Expert 602![]() ![]() Ontario, Canada | Subject: RE: Long term improvementGreat post, JK. Congrats to your sister. Just want to chime in with my own experience, although I'm nowhere as talented as your sister. I never ran until my mid thirties. First ever 10K in 1996 - F35-39 - 56:15. Most recent 10K in 2008 (12yrs later) - F45 - 49 - 50:19. This is a 10K time that McMillan calculator actually projects to a BQ marathon time! Consistency and staying injury free are keys to LONG term improvement, can’t do one w/o the other. People that keep getting injured and training through it are asking for trouble in the long run. In your sister’s case, if she didn’t reduce her running when she was injured (even though I’m sure that must be totally frustrating) and resolve her injury issues, she’d probably not be running today, let alone setting PR’s. This is where HTFU can kill you in the long run. Edited by patricia7 2008-04-23 12:39 PM |
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2008-04-23 12:46 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
Champion 6107![]() ![]() ![]() Out running or enjoying a fine glass of red... | Subject: RE: Long term improvementFantastic post - thank you for giving me some perspective...I've come a long way in the last year, but there's a long time ahead of me to improve in! Congrats to your sister!!! |
2008-04-23 1:11 PM in reply to: #1357159 |
Not a Coach 11473![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Media, PA | Subject: RE: Long term improvementpatricia7 - 2008-04-23 12:38 PM Great post, JK. Congrats to your sister. Just want to chime in with my own experience, although I'm nowhere as talented as your sister. I never ran until my mid thirties. First ever 10K in 1996 - F35-39 - 56:15. Most recent 10K in 2008 (12yrs later) - F45 - 49 - 50:19. This is a 10K time that McMillan calculator actually projects to a BQ marathon time! Consistency and staying injury free are keys to LONG term improvement, can’t do one w/o the other. People that keep getting injured and training through it are asking for trouble in the long run. In your sister’s case, if she didn’t reduce her running when she was injured (even though I’m sure that must be totally frustrating) and resolve her injury issues, she’d probably not be running today, let alone setting PR’s. This is where HTFU can kill you in the long run. Great impovements patricia! And great point on staying healthy. Actually, I wonder if my sister couldn't be even faster today if she had been willing to forgo more running earlier when her injuries first cropped up (and possibly allowed a quicker resolution of the problems). Her running essentially 'stagnated' for a few years and has just recently started to hit new peaks again. Fortunately, tri training 'forced' her to run a little less than normal--and even that killed her sometimes. |
2008-04-23 1:18 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
Expert 892![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Long term improvementWhat a great post! We humans seem hardwired to crave immediate gratification, but with perserverance and determination (and patience) come the real rewards. Thanks so much for the reminder. Cheers. |
2008-04-23 3:05 PM in reply to: #1356959 |
Not a Coach 11473![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Media, PA | Subject: RE: Long term improvementrollinbones - 2008-04-23 11:46 AM Kudos to your sister. And, I'm glad she's not racing Harriman. Finishing behind both of you gets old in a hurry Hah! Missed that somehow the first time. I'm glad that it means one more race that she won't beat me at. Her day is coming, but I'm not looking forward to it! |
2008-04-23 3:20 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
Extreme Veteran 370![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Long term improvementGreat post and a good reminder to think long term. Adaptation should be measured in years not days..thanks for the reminder as I taper for my first full marathon. ;-) --Chris Hall |
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2008-04-23 3:35 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
Pro 4828![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The Land of Ice and Snow | Subject: RE: Long term improvementThank you for this post! This is just what I needed to read at this point in time....have had a disappointing week in terms of a crappy long run and a crappy TT in the pool. It is very easy to get discouraged and begin the negative self talk. This helped me put it all in perspective.... you just can't rush this process! |
2008-04-23 3:42 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
Veteran 582![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Golden, CO | Subject: RE: Long term improvementGreat post. Consistency and a long-term perspective are the key. Prior to starting tri training about 18 months ago, I had been running on and off (ok, there was a lot of off time in there) for 20 years. Tri training has helped me become consistent, and at 42, I expect to set PR's this year at every distance from 5K to the half mary, all with virtually no speed work.
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2008-04-23 3:55 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
Elite 2844![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Reston VA | Subject: RE: Long term improvementGreat post John! Improvement like this couldn't have happened to a nicer person Hope to see her in Kona someday |
2008-04-24 8:42 AM in reply to: #1357942 |
Not a Coach 11473![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Media, PA | Subject: RE: Long term improvementshelly123 - 2008-04-23 3:55 PM Hope to see her in Kona someday I would bet on it. And (reluctantly) admit that it'll likely be before I manage to get there myself. |
2008-04-24 9:02 AM in reply to: #1358953 |
Champion 6540![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() South Jersey | Subject: RE: Long term improvementWell, she might still be a freak Great story, thanks for sharing. I actually thought she had only started her endurance adventure in 2004; it's good to know she's been working at it for a while. It gives us all hope The funny thing is that it does take years to build endurance (and, ultimately/consequently, speed); but it also takes a lot of people years to accept that
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2008-04-24 9:06 AM in reply to: #1357942 |
Sneaky Slow 8694![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: Long term improvementshelly123 - 2008-04-23 4:55 PM Great post John! Improvement like this couldn't have happened to a nicer person Hope to see her in Kona someday Shelly introduced me to her this weekend at Kinetic, and not only is she fast, she seemed like one of the more unassuming people I've met. A humble fastie... bonus!! |
2008-04-24 2:27 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
Champion 15211![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Long term improvementThis one needs to stay on page 1 for a while. Will be good for all to read, newbies and veterans alike. Wonderful story. And an inspiration to not only stick it out for the year, but to make it a lifetime commitment. |
2008-09-08 10:13 AM in reply to: #1356944 |
Not a Coach 11473![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Media, PA | Subject: RE: Long term improvementJust thought I'd update this thread as a a way of continuing to brag about my sister. Yesterday, she finished 2nd in her AG at IMWI. She executed near flawlessly, moving from 22nd (AG) on the swim to 8th off the bike and then closing with the fastest marathon in her AG--a 3:38--and closing fast on 1st place (~:20 ahead). Frankly, her result does not particularly suprise me as I believed she would inevitably qualify for Kona. But that 'inevitability' has come about only through steady, consistent work on her part. If anyone had asked me if my sister was a good athlete when we were growing up, I would have scoffed at the thought. Congrats Tina! |
2008-09-08 10:24 AM in reply to: #1356944 |
Master 1726![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Sacramento, California | Subject: RE: Long term improvementWhat a great, inspiring story. Thanks for sharing it! I am going to have to try to keep it in mind as I work my way through all those painful, frustrating miles. |
2008-09-08 11:30 AM in reply to: #1356944 |
Expert 966![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Decatur | Subject: RE: Long term improvementthis makes me feel tons better about my suckiness. 12 years from now I should be peaking in my running right around 40. awesomeness. My 30's should be fabulous. |
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2008-09-08 6:01 PM in reply to: #1356944 |
Expert 784![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Computerland | Subject: RE: Long term improvementWow! That is so inspiring! It definitely makes me feel less discouraged about being slow! Great job to your sister |
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