Mile swim confusion
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() A mile is 1,600 meters. A mile is 1,760 yards 1 yard = 0.9144 meters 1,760 yards * 0.9144 = 1,609 meters which is one mile BUT Most pools are either 25 meters long or 25 yards long. If you're swimming in a 25 meter pool (as I do) you'd have to swim 64 lengths of the pool to swim 1,600 meters but you'd still be a little short. If you swim 65 lengths of the pool you'd be on the opposite side of where you started from and you would still have to cover 25 meters to get back to where you started. For simplicity a mile would be 66 lengths of the pool which would give you 1,650 meters. Now I just finished a 6 week plan to swim a mile straight (did the mile straight on Saturday). I noticed today that the plan says the following: "A swimmer's mile is 1650 yards, not 1760. It is the equivalent of 1500 meters" My question is, how are miles measured in swimming? Do most people measure them like I've outlined above or do most people go by 1,500 meters/mile? Why would a swimmer's mile be shorted then an actual mile? How are the miles measured for IM or HIM distance races? Edited by Mirg 2008-07-14 2:00 PM |
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() Mirg - 2008-07-14 11:58 AM A mile is 1,600 meters. A mile is 1,760 yards 1 yard = 0.9144 meters 1,760 yards * 0.9144 = 1,609 meters which is one mile BUT Most pools are either 25 meters long or 25 yards long. If you're swimming in a 25 meter pool (as I do) you'd have to swim 64 lengths of the pool to swim 1,600 meters but you'd still be a little short. If you swim 65 lengths of the pool you'd be on the opposite side of where you started from and you would still have to cover 25 meters to get back to where you started. For simplicity a mile would be 66 lengths of the pool which would give you 1,650 meters. Now I just finished a 6 week plan to swim a mile straight (did the mile straight on Saturday). I noticed today that the plan says the following: "A swimmer's mile is 1650, not 1760. It is the equivalent of 1500 meters" My question is, how are miles measured in swimming? Do most people measure them like I've outlined above or do most people go by 1,500 meters/mile? Why would a swimmer's mile be shorted then an actual mile? The official national competition distance is 1500 meters. That equates to 1650 yards (+/-). since it's "close" to a mile, that's what everyone calls a swimmer's mile (here in the states). Since America seems to be the only ones to refuse to used the metric system, we say"mile" since it's close to that. Edited by Aikidoman 2008-07-14 2:03 PM |
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![]() Open water swimming is based on mile of 1760 yds AFAIK. 1650 swimmers mile is a pool creation |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ChrisM - 2008-07-14 3:04 PM Open water swimming is based on mile of 1760 yds AFAIK. 1650 swimmers mile is a pool creation So, race measurments are based on 1,609 meters. Thus, 4/10 of a mile = 643.6 8/10 of a mile = 1,287.2 HIM = 1,930.8 IM - 3,861.6 ???? |
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![]() Coldfire - 2008-07-14 12:10 PM ChrisM - 2008-07-14 3:04 PM So, race measurments are based on 1,609 meters. Thus, 4/10 of a mile = 643.6 8/10 of a mile = 1,287.2 HIM = 1,930.8 IM - 3,861.6 ????Open water swimming is based on mile of 1760 yds AFAIK. 1650 swimmers mile is a pool creation Well, I wouldn't put faith in the accuracy of any open water swim race measurements, I've seen both 1/4 mile and 1 mile swims be off by numbers aproaching 50%, but I guess if you want to convert to meters, it's whatever the conversion is. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So when you guys do mile or more workout in the pool do you base it off the 1,500 meter length or the 1,650 length? I've been basing mine of the 1,650M length which isn't necessarily a problem. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If your sighting is poor you ows will be longer... ![]() |
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Resident Curmudgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Mirg - 2008-07-14 2:20 PM So when you guys do mile or more workout in the pool do you base it off the 1,500 meter length or the 1,650 length? I've been basing mine of the 1,650M length which isn't necessarily a problem. You're talking about a difference of <10 yards. What does it matter. Just swim. |
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Sneaky Slow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Coldfire - 2008-07-14 3:10 PM ChrisM - 2008-07-14 3:04 PM So, race measurments are based on 1,609 meters. Thus, 4/10 of a mile = 643.6 8/10 of a mile = 1,287.2 HIM = 1,930.8 IM - 3,861.6 ????Open water swimming is based on mile of 1760 yds AFAIK. 1650 swimmers mile is a pool creation The IM and HIM swim distances of 2.4 and 1.2 miles aren't based on the "swimmers' mile." They're based on a "land" (?) mile, something around 4200/2100. Of course, like Chris says, you never know how accurate OWS swim distances are measured... Edited by newleaf 2008-07-14 2:33 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() the bear - 2008-07-14 12:25 PM Mirg - 2008-07-14 2:20 PM So when you guys do mile or more workout in the pool do you base it off the 1,500 meter length or the 1,650 length? I've been basing mine of the 1,650M length which isn't necessarily a problem. You're talking about a difference of <10 yards. What does it matter. Just swim. It doesn't, just looking for clarification. |
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![]() yeah, IM is supposed to be 4224 yds (although they report swim splits per 100 meters) I "measure" my OWS swims in miles, 1, 2, whatever. Long pool swims I just say 2K, 3K, etc, I don't think of it in miles. But if I were to, I would measure it by 1760 yds. Take that back, I did do one IM training swim in the pool, 4225, 2.4 miles Edited by ChrisM 2008-07-14 2:36 PM |
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Sneaky Slow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Mirg - 2008-07-14 3:20 PM So when you guys do mile or more workout in the pool do you base it off the 1,500 meter length or the 1,650 length? I've been basing mine of the 1,650M length which isn't necessarily a problem. When I do my HIM, the swim will be 1.2 miles, or 2112 yards. So if I am going to do a mile swim, I'm going to do 1760 yards, not 1500m, not 1650 yards. Or 1775 yards. It's not like I'm going to stop 2/5 of the way down the lane. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() newleaf - 2008-07-14 12:35 PM Mirg - 2008-07-14 3:20 PM So when you guys do mile or more workout in the pool do you base it off the 1,500 meter length or the 1,650 length? I've been basing mine of the 1,650M length which isn't necessarily a problem. When I do my HIM, the swim will be 1.2 miles, or 2112 yards. So if I am going to do a mile swim, I'm going to do 1760 yards, not 1500m, not 1650 yards. Or 1775 yards. It's not like I'm going to stop 2/5 of the way down the lane. For sure! When I swam my mile straight I did in in 31:00 but I swam 1650M so my mile swim time was actually 1:56 less as that was the pace I was swimming at. I know it doesn't really matter for training but I though I'd ask as I didn't understand the difference between a "swimmers mile" and an actual mile. |
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Resident Curmudgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Mirg - 2008-07-14 2:34 PM the bear - 2008-07-14 12:25 PM It doesn't, just looking for clarification. Mirg - 2008-07-14 2:20 PM So when you guys do mile or more workout in the pool do you base it off the 1,500 meter length or the 1,650 length? I've been basing mine of the 1,650M length which isn't necessarily a problem. You're talking about a difference of <10 yards. What does it matter. Just swim. I would say if you're in a 25- (or 50-) meter pool, swim 1500 meters. If you're in a 25- (or 50-) yard pool, do the 1650. People around here can't count laps. Imagine trying to get someone to swim 1650 yards in a 25-meter pool. Where do you find workouts that call for swims in mile increments, anyway? newleaf - 2008-07-14 2:35 PM Or 1775 yards. It's not like I'm going to stop 2/5 of the way down the lane. Call it 1800 and you'll be on the same end as when you started. Edited by the bear 2008-07-14 2:42 PM |
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Sneaky Slow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() the bear - 2008-07-14 3:40 PM People around here can't count laps. True. It seems to me that BT would be a really good venue for someone to ask about counting laps. Maybe I'll post the question in TT. Or would that be the blind leading the blind? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() the bear - 2008-07-14 12:40 PM Mirg - 2008-07-14 2:34 PM the bear - 2008-07-14 12:25 PM It doesn't, just looking for clarification. Mirg - 2008-07-14 2:20 PM So when you guys do mile or more workout in the pool do you base it off the 1,500 meter length or the 1,650 length? I've been basing mine of the 1,650M length which isn't necessarily a problem. You're talking about a difference of <10 yards. What does it matter. Just swim. I would say if you're in a 25- (or 50-) meter pool, swim 1500 meters. If you're in a 25- (or 50-) yard pool, do the 1650. People around here can't count laps. Imagine trying to get someone to swim 1650 yards in a 25-meter pool. Where do you find workouts that call for swims in mile increments, anyway? lol @ the not being able to count lap comment! I bought a "sport count", problem solved. I just finished a 6 week plan to swim a mile straight in order to build a swim base. The workouts were listed in yards and I swim in a 25 meter pool. I followed the lengths prescribed but did them in meters. I noticed that the plan said that a swimmers mile is 1500M but I know that an actual mile is 1609M. I didn't understand the discrepancy so I thought I'd ask. |
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![]() | ![]() newleaf - 2008-07-14 1:26 PM Coldfire - 2008-07-14 3:10 PM ChrisM - 2008-07-14 3:04 PM So, race measurments are based on 1,609 meters. Thus, 4/10 of a mile = 643.6 8/10 of a mile = 1,287.2 HIM = 1,930.8 IM - 3,861.6 ????Open water swimming is based on mile of 1760 yds AFAIK. 1650 swimmers mile is a pool creation The IM and HIM swim distances of 2.4 and 1.2 miles aren't based on the "swimmers' mile." They're based on a "land" (?) mile, something around 4200/2100. Of course, like Chris says, you never know how accurate OWS swim distances are measured... I've seen half IM distance triathlon swims posted as either 1900 meters, or 2000 meters, as well as 1.2 miles. I usually just swim to the end of the marked swim course. ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() You have the same problem essentially in track. What is a mile?? You have the 1500 and then the actual mile, which I believe is run very infrequently. For swimming I use 1600m or 1750y when I swim but really I keep track in m or y so I really don't think about swimming in miles. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Unless you swimming your event in a pool it will never come out to be an exact distance, if you are in an open water event it could end up being shorter or longer... |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tritwinmom - 2008-07-14 12:55 PM Unless you swimming your event in a pool it will never come out to be an exact distance, if you are in an open water event it could end up being shorter or longer... Yeah, I get that. I was just asking a noobish question. |
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Cycling Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I simply train in yards and then come race day do whatever the course is laid out as. Sometimes it seems longer, somtimes it seems shorter. In the 3 years I've done Eagleman, the course has never been the same distance. You'd figure after 25 years of doing the same race they'd have gotten it right ...... but they still advertise and score it as 1.2 miles. |
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![]() I posted about it after the race, but two weeks ago I did an OWS advertised as one mile. In reality the course laid out by the lifeguards turned out to be somewhere between 1.5 and 1.7 miles. Overall winner was >30:00, which is unheard of. Moral of the story is just keep swimming |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Mirg - 2008-07-14 10:56 AM tritwinmom - 2008-07-14 12:55 PM Unless you swimming your event in a pool it will never come out to be an exact distance, if you are in an open water event it could end up being shorter or longer... Yeah, I get that. I was just asking a noobish question.No problem, you asked about how they determine them in races so I thought I would put my 2 cents in. The pool I swim in now is new and the distance in yards, but when they get the bulkhead that separates the diving and the swimming area in it will turn into a meter pool. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Congrats on swimming the mile! It's a great feeling...whether it's 1500 or 1650 doesn't matter...you did it! |