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2009-06-22 1:41 PM

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Subject: TOTW - Training in the heat

Okay, summer is officially here ... and with a vengence.  When I got back to my car from my t-run at Columns yesterday the temperature registered 101* at 3:00 pm.

This thread is to talk about guidelines for training in the heat.  Post here your thoughts, tips and tricks on what you do to acclimate your body to endure distance when the sun is beating down on you throughout the workout.

I'll start by stating that regarless of what the "Member Question" article says above, my training has seen marked improvements through the advent of more electrolytes (particularly sodium) taken in during a workout.  This is particularly true going from bike to run as I no longer have the 'dead legs' (they're still tired, just do not feel like they are filled with lead).  I started using the Salt Stick tabs every 30 minutes during the bike and the results have been almost immediate.



2009-06-22 1:55 PM
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this is one of those "prevention" issues. work out earlier/later, and do not face the heat if at all possible.
2009-06-22 2:09 PM
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agree with you phatknot. it is hot out there.

i try to get at least one "middle of the day" run in. it helps me get acclimated to the heat quicker. i just ensure i'm hydrated before the run, and continue to hydrate after the run. i also ensure i take in enough salt with my foods if i'm not drinking gatorade or other sports drink.

if any of you are doing Augusta HIM, it's probably a good idea to get out there and do some heat training, as Augusta is still fairly hot in September...
2009-06-22 2:18 PM
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Growing up in south/central Louisiana, the heat here is not that bad. Humid days here are dry compared to back home. I'm not saying it's not hot, but it can be much, much worse.

I sweat. A lot. Just gotta keep hydrated on longer workouts.

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2009-06-22 2:26 PM
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I am one of those people that strangly like training in the heat.  I grew up in northern Louisiana and I agree the humidity here is not as bad but Augusta has been pretty humid for the past week.  I sweat like crazy so I make sure I drink lots of water.  If I don't my body kindly lets me know.

2009-06-22 2:30 PM
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phatknot - 2009-06-22 2:55 PM this is one of those "prevention" issues. work out earlier/later, and do not face the heat if at all possible.

I agree, but it's not always possible when you have a 4-6 hour ride schedule and a t-run afterwards.  But the earlier the start the better- for sure.

This weekend I froze water bottles and they stayed cold(or had a giant ice cube still) until about mile 50...I had to refill but the ice still helped the refill stay cold a little longer.  I also realized those thermal bottles that they sell at Bikeshops/REI actually work pretty well. 

Also, if you ride in a place that gives you the option to do loops, do more shorter ones and reflll at the car between each.  The Bud Plant is a good example, doing the 31 mile route with water stops can be more tolerable.  We have a big thermos(like construction workers use) and it kept ice and water cold from 8am-5pm sitting in my car this weekend...



2009-06-22 4:38 PM
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I find that I need to schedule my workouts for the week so I have a lighter day after a high sweat day in order to get my hydration back under control.  It's tough to stay hydrated when you enter the workout still dehydrated from yesterday's run.

2009-06-22 9:06 PM
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Doug makes a very good point. You MUST MUST MUST stay on top of your hydration, there is no way that you can have a good workout if you enter it dehydrated already. A few key points to remember when training in the extreme heat.

  • As stated before make sure you are adequately hydrated before you even begin working out and make sure that you have enough hydration and nutrition on hand during your workout. Also start the rehydration process immediately after you workout.
  • Figure out your sweat rate. An easy way is to weigh yourself nude before and after your workout to see how much water weight you lose during the workout. A good rule of thumb is that you need 16-20 oz of water/sports drink for every pound lost during exercise. Don't forget to take into account the amount of fluids that you consumed during your workout also. Once you figure this out it will give you and idea of how much you should try to consume during your workouts and what a good baseline weight is to figure out if you are rehydrated.
  • Be careful on the consumption of sodium/electrolyte suppliments. The average American has more than enough sodium in their everyday diet to alleviate the need for supplimentation. If you are a very heavy salty sweater you may need to suppliment but only a bit. I am firmly convinced that my kidney stone was caused by the excess ingestion of salt/electrolyte tablets while training for IMLOU.
  • Expect that your HR will be higher at a slower pace and adjust your workouts as such. A 7 min/mile in March when it is 55* might be at 160bpm where the same 160bpm only gets you 7:30 min/mile in June when it is 90* and 85% humidity.
  • Be smart....if it is 93* with high humidity and a heat index of over 100* you may be better off postponing your workout to later in the day or doing it inside if you are able.

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2009-06-23 6:26 AM
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This is a topic that has been on my mind quite a bit lately.  So much so that I spent all of last week blogging about it: 

Fluid Loss and Heat Training

Fluid Loss, pt 2

Training and Racing in the Heat
2009-06-23 6:43 AM
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Expect that your HR will be higher at a slower pace and adjust your workouts as such. A 7 min/mile in March when it is 55* might be at 160bpm where the same 160bpm only gets you 7:30 min/mile in June when it is 90* and 85% humidity.


So does the higher HR mean that you back it off in that your heart is working at the prescribed level or do you push it because what you really need to measure is the output from your legs during the run.

2009-06-23 7:00 AM
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brian - 2009-06-23 7:43 AM

Expect that your HR will be higher at a slower pace and adjust your workouts as such. A 7 min/mile in March when it is 55* might be at 160bpm where the same 160bpm only gets you 7:30 min/mile in June when it is 90* and 85% humidity.


So does the higher HR mean that you back it off in that your heart is working at the prescribed level or do you push it because what you really need to measure is the output from your legs during the run.



Great question.

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Also, someone stated riding loops, but if you can run loops with a water stop built in there (or stash a water bottle somewhere), that really helps as well. Of course, any shady routes will help. The SCT is mostly shaded, and is easy to do out & back, refill water cages, then another out & back.


2009-06-23 11:33 AM
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Ok so my question is how do I, as a back of packer, who will be running in Augusta peak heat (2-5 pm most likely) get ready?  Shouldn't I try to train in the afternoon heat as much as possible so I can get used to it?  A second question I have after reading the thread about bike/run bonk is how do I make sure I am getting enough water/gatoraide but not too much to cause stomach problems? I was assuming that I should practice riding/running in the heat so I can get the best balance of water etc on the bike for the long run taking into consideration the elevated heat but now it sounds like maybe I shouldn't do that? 

Since this is beginner triathlete my guess is that I will not be the only newbie who will have a swim start that is late and a slower pace that potentially puts me running for three hours in the worst heat of the day in September which can often times be a brutally hot month in Augusta.  So all advice is appreciated...
2009-06-23 11:53 AM
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I have become very successful at finding water while I run.  Here are my favorites:

  • Parks.  I know, duh!, but there are a ton of parks around with fountains.  I use mapmyrun.com to plan my route form park to park.
  • Starbucks!  They are everywhere and they all have a drinking fountain by the restrooms.  Mmm cold water.
  • Churches.  Don't worry, you won't burst into flames.  check near the restroom by the sanctuary or the hall where they have Sunday school.
  • Quick Trip.  You could go to any gas station, but the QT is cleaner.
  • Home Depot, Publix, CVS, Target, etc.  Ok you'll look odd, but they do have water by the bathrooms.
  • No schools.  They don't like strange sweaty people wondering around.

Also, if you are getting overheated stop at a place that has AC and use that cool air to drop your core temp enough to get home. 

 

2009-06-23 11:59 AM
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Funny you should ask, I had a doozy of a time biking on Saturday in Roswell.  Use me as your example of what not to do.

I pre-hydrated (day before and morning of ride) and felt good for the first 2 hours (25-30 miles).  Then, I went downhill fast and limped home in 4 hrs 40 mins.  I took in about 1 bottle of electrolyte drink (20 oz) and about another bottle of water (20oz) per hour for a total of about 160oz of fluids over the whole ride but I still overheated.  In hindsight, I should have (a) stopped to fill up with cool water more often rather than drinking the water that had heated up on my bike, (b) stopped more often anyway to splash water on myself or rinse out my helmet, or (c) just cut this ride short.  Even at the end of the ride, I was still peeing and it was clear so I was plenty hydrated - I just got way too hot. 

Folks who are only outside during the sunny hours on the weekends need to ease into the heat every year.  Last year's hotter-than-heck bike rides didn't make any difference to me on Saturday.

Afrutoz, you do need to acclimate to the heat.  What the other posters has suggested is good.  You can do your rides in the heat but just make sure to be hydrated before you start, do loops from an easy-water-access location, take plenty of water/electrolyte drink and have a no-deviate bail out plan if you start to fry.  Do not allow your heat-addled brain to convince you that it will be better/faster if you don't stop for more water if yours gets hot, that you don't need to eat your nutrition, etc. .  . 

2009-06-23 12:12 PM
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afrutoz - 2009-06-23 12:33 PM

Ok so my question is how do I, as a back of packer, who will be running in Augusta peak heat (2-5 pm most likely) get ready?  Shouldn't I try to train in the afternoon heat as much as possible so I can get used to it?  A second question I have after reading the thread about bike/run bonk is how do I make sure I am getting enough water/gatoraide but not too much to cause stomach problems? I was assuming that I should practice riding/running in the heat so I can get the best balance of water etc on the bike for the long run taking into consideration the elevated heat but now it sounds like maybe I shouldn't do that? 

Since this is beginner triathlete my guess is that I will not be the only newbie who will have a swim start that is late and a slower pace that potentially puts me running for three hours in the worst heat of the day in September which can often times be a brutally hot month in Augusta.  So all advice is appreciated...


As Mrs. Brown Dog stated, definitely get some training done in the heat. Do it slowly, but make sure you have plenty of water before, during, after.

To your other question, with HIM & IM's nutrition is the fourth sport. You have to get it dailed in, and learn what works for you. Remember, what works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you. Fuel test it, fuel test it, fuel test it during training. It took me numerous rides/bricks to figure out what my body liked and what left me dragging coming off the bike. For me it was what nutrition plan left me with something in my legs in the first few miles of the run. You will get an energy boost on race day coming off the bike, it is race day afterall. However, if you can dail in your nutrition during training, then your legs will feel that much better come 9/27.

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2009-06-23 4:31 PM
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brian - 2009-06-23 7:43 AM

Expect that your HR will be higher at a slower pace and adjust your workouts as such. A 7 min/mile in March when it is 55* might be at 160bpm where the same 160bpm only gets you 7:30 min/mile in June when it is 90* and 85% humidity.


So does the higher HR mean that you back it off in that your heart is working at the prescribed level or do you push it because what you really need to measure is the output from your legs during the run.

Brian this is a kind of "chicken and egg" question....

If you subscribe to the Daniels method (that would be Jack Daniels PhD, not my method) and train by pace and wear a HRM for recording and comparison purposes you are going to see higher HR during hot and humid training sessions. Your RPE is also going to be higher during these workouts, which poses the question are you training at a higher substrate than was prescribed or should you push pace and force your body to adapt.

The answer is I don't know....

This is where the "art" of coaching comes into play as you need to help your athlete find that place where they can train in the prescribed substrate without blowing up before the end of the workout or trashing themselves so badly that they can't train for a couple of days.



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Rocket Man - 2009-06-23 5:31 PM

brian - 2009-06-23 7:43 AM

Expect that your HR will be higher at a slower pace and adjust your workouts as such. A 7 min/mile in March when it is 55* might be at 160bpm where the same 160bpm only gets you 7:30 min/mile in June when it is 90* and 85% humidity.


So does the higher HR mean that you back it off in that your heart is working at the prescribed level or do you push it because what you really need to measure is the output from your legs during the run.

Brian this is a kind of "chicken and egg" question....

If you subscribe to the Daniels method (that would be Jack Daniels PhD, not my method) and train by pace and wear a HRM for recording and comparison purposes you are going to see higher HR during hot and humid training sessions. Your RPE is also going to be higher during these workouts, which poses the question are you training at a higher substrate than was prescribed or should you push pace and force your body to adapt.

The answer is I don't know....

This is where the "art" of coaching comes into play as you need to help your athlete find that place where they can train in the prescribed substrate without blowing up before the end of the workout or trashing themselves so badly that they can't train for a couple of days.



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2009-06-24 7:32 PM
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Great and informative thread!

I really honed in on the part about nutrition being the 4th sport in HIM & IM races. With Augusta being my first HIM, I feel this is the area I have the most to learn.

Maybe this should be a new thread, but would anyone mind sharing some tried and true basic nutrition plans for a HIM? I am a heavy sweater and I also seem to respond better to solid foods (like bars) as opposed to sports drink and gels. I'd love to hear some tried and true war stories.

With sprint and olympic distance tris, I htink you can really kind of wing it, but not so with Augusta I'm afraid.

I've also wondered myself about the higher heart rate in heat thing as I am putzing along on my runs in the heat (but my heart rate is in the right zone!) If I am running to heart rate, then I stay in the zone I'm supposed to be in even if it means going slower, but not sure if this is efficient training.

 

 

 

 

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