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 2009-06-25 8:17 AM |
Master  1853     syracuse |  Subject: Caffene/Alcohol--I've been really focusing on nutrition lately. Mainly, sticking to protien & nutrient rich foods throughout the day, and only eating grains 1 hour before and 1 hour after I train/race. |
| 2009-06-25 8:20 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Master 1584 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- Nothing really to add,I just wanted to say that when I read your thread title my first though was "Yes, please!".  |
| 2009-06-25 8:21 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Champion 9600  Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- I am a regular 2 big mugs per day in the morning coffee drinker and usually enjoy 2-3 glasses of wine at night making and eating dinner. Can't say I have had any adverse effect and can't say it makes me slower or less healthy as I eat extremely healthy foods and drink a lot of water. Maybe if I was a pro and it was my career, but otherwise life is too short.  |
| 2009-06-25 8:25 AM in reply to: #2241887 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- bryancd - 2009-06-25 9:21 AM I am a regular 2 big mugs per day in the morning coffee drinker and usually enjoy 2-3 glasses of wine at night making and eating dinner. Can't say I have had any adverse effect and can't say it makes me slower or less healthy as I eat extremely healthy foods and drink a lot of water. Maybe if I was a pro and it was my career, but otherwise life is too short. you have no idea how happy I am to see you write that. |
| 2009-06-25 8:25 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- Caffeine isn't a macronutrient, therefore there is nothing "high glycemic" about it. |
| 2009-06-25 8:29 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
| DC | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- There was a thread a while ago on that "other" tri website re alcohol & training. Man, it produced so many posts it took hrs. to read through. Seems like triathletes love thier drinks. I'm not an "A" racer. More like "i'm content to finish" racer. But I never miss my workouts--often two a day. That said, I usu. have 2/3 drinks daily. (eg, glass of wine or beer & shot of tequila). It's a good life! |
| 2009-06-25 8:30 AM in reply to: #2241905 |
Champion 10020 , Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- cusetri - 2009-06-25 8:25 AM bryancd - 2009-06-25 9:21 AM I am a regular 2 big mugs per day in the morning coffee drinker and usually enjoy 2-3 glasses of wine at night making and eating dinner. Can't say I have had any adverse effect and can't say it makes me slower or less healthy as I eat extremely healthy foods and drink a lot of water. Maybe if I was a pro and it was my career, but otherwise life is too short. you have no idea how happy I am to see you write that. Yeah, no doubt! Although I would say it is reasonable to consider cutting out the alcohol, only because it's low in nutrition and that type of calorie isn't doing you any favors. Even the recommendations for a glass of red wine for heart health limit the dose to one glass for women or two for men, although I wish they would explain that further. Is that because of an assumption about weight? Or do men and women process something differently? Is coffee or caffeine a high glycemic index food? I don't really know anything about that, but that seems weird. Are there carbs in coffee? Seems like it's mostly water to me. Edit:Just saw DerekL's post. Good to know about the coffee. That didn't sound right. I think that shows how easy it is to confuse the different trends/fads when making decisions about your health. Edited by BikerGrrrl 2009-06-25 8:32 AM |
| 2009-06-25 8:32 AM in reply to: #2241887 |
| Extreme Veteran 1030 West Windsor, NJ | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- bryancd - 2009-06-25 9:21 AM I am a regular 2 big mugs per day in the morning coffee drinker and usually enjoy 2-3 glasses of wine at night making and eating dinner. Can't say I have had any adverse effect and can't say it makes me slower or less healthy as I eat extremely healthy foods and drink a lot of water. Maybe if I was a pro and it was my career, but otherwise life is too short. Yah. 'nuff Said. The only thing that I try to do is cut back a little bit the week/few days before an event. I do it for two reasons. (1) its easier to stay hydrated and (2) with a good taper, I am trying to cut back on unneeded calories anyway. Besides that. Enjoy life. Its way too short. |
| 2009-06-25 8:33 AM in reply to: #2241906 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- DerekL - 2009-06-25 9:25 AM Caffeine isn't a macronutrient, therefore there is nothing "high glycemic" about it. really? whether or not it is defined at high glycemic is one thing. it can stimulate insulin production and raise glucose levels. this is what high glycemic foods do, no? So while it cannot fit the textbook definition of "high glycemic" it certainly shares some of the effects of consuming high glycemic foods. keep in mind, i'm no nutritionists, and what I said above could be all wrong...its just what I have read on the subject. I certainly could have misunderstood what I read as well. |
| 2009-06-25 8:35 AM in reply to: #2241917 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- BikerGrrrl - 2009-06-25 9:30 AM cusetri - 2009-06-25 8:25 AM bryancd - 2009-06-25 9:21 AM I am a regular 2 big mugs per day in the morning coffee drinker and usually enjoy 2-3 glasses of wine at night making and eating dinner. Can't say I have had any adverse effect and can't say it makes me slower or less healthy as I eat extremely healthy foods and drink a lot of water. Maybe if I was a pro and it was my career, but otherwise life is too short. you have no idea how happy I am to see you write that. Yeah, no doubt! Although I would say it is reasonable to consider cutting out the alcohol, only because it's low in nutrition and that type of calorie isn't doing you any favors. Even the recommendations for a glass of red wine for heart health limit the dose to one glass for women or two for men, although I wish they would explain that further. Is that because of an assumption about weight? Or do men and women process something differently? Is coffee or caffeine a high glycemic index food? I don't really know anything about that, but that seems weird. Are there carbs in coffee? Seems like it's mostly water to me. Edit:Just saw DerekL's post. Good to know about the coffee. That didn't sound right. I think that shows how easy it is to confuse the different trends/fads when making decisions about your health. no, I used an incorrect term. however, it can have very similiar effects as high glycemic foods... |
| 2009-06-25 8:36 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
| 2009-06-25 8:45 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
| New user 476 | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- If you're only drinking one night a week I wouldn't sweat it too much. I can tell you, personally, I don't drink any more and don't miss it. I don't have any problems with alcohol I just don't drink any more and I don't miss it. I would suggest trying to take the summer off. Call it part of you training for the summer. See how it goes. If you still miss your beers come fall and don't see any improvement in performance the go back to having a couple soda pops on Saturday. As far as caffeine, I've given it up before. Didn't miss that either. I actually woke up feeling better every morning. I'm seriously thinking of giving it up again. This way I don't need that cup before I try to go workout in the morning. What ever you do, if you're miserable on your diet and training, it won't last. Don't deprive yourself of everything in life. Almost anything in moderation is ok. |
| 2009-06-25 8:53 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Expert 790 | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- I have my two cups of coffee in the morning, and have pretty much cut out the beer. If a friend stops by will have a beer with him? Sure, but I can tell my mindset has already changed and a lot of times I'll just have a glass of water. I just don't know what I'm going to do during football season. How can watch a game with out a beer, and brisket out in the smoker. |
| 2009-06-25 9:02 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
| Regular 54 | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- Just recently started drinking coffee every morning before and after my first workout. It seems to really help me get up and more active, and I love the taste, so I think it's worth it. As for alcohol, if I did not train, I'd be drinking every night.. training is my reason for not drinking, and it's a good reason! Although I will still have a couple of drinks on a weekend night out with the friends or maybe just at home with some good food. There are exceptions... I'm going to Europe in July for 3 weeks and will probably have a couple drinks a night, but when I get back I will easily adopt my no alcohol during the week habit. |
| 2009-06-25 9:08 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- I appreciate everyones feedback. What about performance gains. whether or not doing specific workouts and how often always comes back to adaptations and resulting performance gains. I for one, really cannot make a decision to cut it out or not, until I see some sort of performance gain that would result. "Quit caffene, you'll be a better athelte!" I dont think I'm going to quit.... but if someone can give me specific gains that would come of it, I may do it. |
| 2009-06-25 9:14 AM in reply to: #2242050 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- cusetri - 2009-06-25 10:08 AM I appreciate everyones feedback. What about performance gains. whether or not doing specific workouts and how often always comes back to adaptations and resulting performance gains. I for one, really cannot make a decision to cut it out or not, until I see some sort of performance gain that would result. "Quit caffene, you'll be a better athelte!" I dont think I'm going to quit.... but if someone can give me specific gains that would come of it, I may do it. You're not going to hear that, so enjoy your caffiene and alcohol. In moderation, of course. |
| 2009-06-25 9:16 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- I think the tiny, mini, eensy, weensy possible gains I may make by giving up my thermos of coffee in the AM and my alcohol in the...other times would not come even close to offsetting the annoyance I would have at giving up those two things. |
| 2009-06-25 9:21 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
Pro 4612 MA | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- Regarding about caffeine being "highly glycemic": I believe it's the milk and sugar and/or flavoring syrup that is added to coffee that makes it highly glycemic. |
| 2009-06-25 9:22 AM in reply to: #2241917 |
Expert 773 | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- BikerGrrrl - 2009-06-25 8:30 AM Even the recommendations for a glass of red wine for heart health limit the dose to one glass for women or two for men, although I wish they would explain that further. Is that because of an assumption about weight? Or do men and women process something differently?
I remember attending a seminar a few years ago where they discussed the effects of alcohol on the body and the difference between men and women. If I remember correctly, while weight does factor in a little bit, the main difference between men and women with regards to alcohol is that a woman's liver is not able to process alcohol as quickly as a man's liver because there are fewer enzymes in a woman's liver that break down the alcohol. Perhaps someone with more medical knowledge can elaborate.
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| 2009-06-25 9:37 AM in reply to: #2241884 |
Member 159 | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- jcnipper - 2009-06-25 9:20 AM Nothing really to add,I just wanted to say that when I read your thread title my first though was "Yes, please!". Hahaha!! LOVE it!! I am an everyday 1 cup half caf coffee drinker...the only reason I don't have any more than that is because I won't sleep at night!! And I usually have a beer or glass of wine almost every night, unless I'm sick...I don't worry about dehydration because I drink gallons of water every day. I do recall my father-in-law discussing an article he read about beer being somewhat beneficial for muscle recovery after a workout...now, no one get mad at me, i don't know the name of the article, there was a study done, it's just one thing I heard... And, when I walked the Dublin marathon, the coach of my team, was training for an Ironman, and he ran Dublin, then was in the bar having quite a few drinks, and he may have had one the night before... Anyway, just a few anecdotes... |
| 2009-06-25 9:38 AM in reply to: #2242109 |
Master 1853 syracuse | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- D.K. - 2009-06-25 10:21 AM Regarding about caffeine being "highly glycemic": I believe it's the milk and sugar and/or flavoring syrup that is added to coffee that makes it highly glycemic. no. black, regular coffee can have similar effects as high glycemic foods. but it appears it doesnt matter much. |
| 2009-06-25 9:39 AM in reply to: #2242050 |
Veteran 318 Indianapolis | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:08 AM I appreciate everyones feedback. What about performance gains. whether or not doing specific workouts and how often always comes back to adaptations and resulting performance gains. I for one, really cannot make a decision to cut it out or not, until I see some sort of performance gain that would result. "Quit caffene, you'll be a better athelte!" I dont think I'm going to quit.... but if someone can give me specific gains that would come of it, I may do it. I was just talking to my brother about caffiene over the weekend. He did a study on the affects of it on athletic performance while in college. From the research he did, he said it needed to be cycled to get any real performance benefit from it. I thought that was interesting. I also will add that in the book The complete guide to triathlon training, (I think that is the correct title.) It states that coffee is not a great delivery means of getting caffiene, he recommends taking a caffiene pill, like a no-doz or something like that. As for alcohol, I dunno, but my experience has been that if I don't drink for a week or so, have just a couple (2 or 3) beers on a Friday or something, the next day my worksouts actually seem to be better. Like I am more focused. Probably just coincedence, but just sayin. |
| 2009-06-25 9:44 AM in reply to: #2241887 |
Master 1704 Charlotte | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- bryancd - 2009-06-25 9:21 AM I am a regular 2 big mugs per day in the morning coffee drinker and usually enjoy 2-3 glasses of wine at night making and eating dinner. Can't say I have had any adverse effect and can't say it makes me slower or less healthy as I eat extremely healthy foods and drink a lot of water. Maybe if I was a pro and it was my career, but otherwise life is too short. Off to buy a case of two buck chuck for my daily antioxidants! |
| 2009-06-25 9:44 AM in reply to: #2241877 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- I gave up my 2-cup-a-day coffee routine a few months ago because it had come to the point where I could not function without it. For ME, that was not something I was comfortable with (a lot of people are, and that's ok). I never want to be in a place where I am literally dependent on a chemical addiction to wake me up or start my day. No thanks. I was worried it would affect my performance, especially on the weekends where I train earlier in the day or in the morning. Surprisingly, it has not. I even did an Oly without caffiene and it was fantastic! I am also sleeping better, which I think has a HUGE impact on my training and overall energy level. As for alcohol, 1-2 drinks a night (like I've seen a few of you post) would be excessive for me. The calories alone would pack on a few pounds in no time - I'm not interested in doing that! Plus I just feel... sluggish the next day. Which has an effect on my training. Others may be able to do this day in and day out, but I cannot. I do enjoy drinks on a weekend evening with friends occasionally, but knowing I can sleep in the next day to recover from it. If I do drink with dinner, it will be 1 beer or something, because anything more than that I will be feeling the next day in some form or another. |
| 2009-06-25 9:46 AM in reply to: #2242174 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Caffene/Alcohol-- cusetri - 2009-06-25 9:38 AM no. black, regular coffee can have similar effects as high glycemic foods. but it appears it doesnt matter much. Source? |
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