Who swims over people?
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Do you do it? Do you do it on purpose? What goes through your head? Walk me through that thought process please. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm guessing most people end up doing it at some point. For me at least, it isn't deliberate unless there is no other choice. For example, at the NYC Tri last weekend the start was a massive pile-up since we were all hanging on a rope in the Hudson so they only way to get moving and get free of the pack was to climb over people who for whatever reason weren't going. Otherwise it just happens. I've only done it a couple times and I am never aware the person is there until I feel them under me. I get swam over all the time, I'm slow. I never hold it against the person doing it. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mrbbrad - 2009-07-28 11:02 AM Do you do it? Do you do it on purpose? What goes through your head? Walk me through that thought process please. I've only done it once and it was purely accidental. Quad Cities Triathlon last year. Just turned the last buoy and was headed home. I usually site every 6-8 strokes. I was just starting to look up when I was literally on top of and face to face with a woman doing a very, VERY lazy back stroke. Had no idea I was on top of her till I was because her feet were way down in the water (no attempt at a kick) and so there we were. Happened in a split second. As I was rolling off of her, I muttered an out of breath apology and kept going. Otherwise, I don't try to swim over them, I just swim past them. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I do not. I think it's rude and uncalled for. If I, by accident, run into someone during an OWS, I try to move to the side of them. If I can't get around, I just wait or I go even further out to the side. I'm a solid swimmer and generally come out 1-3 in my AG out of the water... and I can tell you that even in murky Texas lakes, I know when I'm coming up on someone and I make the effort to go around them. I am never swimming so fast that I can't stop from swimming over someone. Edited by KSH 2009-07-28 11:08 AM |
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![]() | ![]() I've never done it. If I am going significantly faster than the person in front of me, I go around. That seems logical to me. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I did it once, but not on purpose. The person was in a preceeding wave, swimming on the back with only a small area of head visible. I never saw the person and was in my glide when I found myself crossing over. I've never had a problem in my own wave as I line up so as to minimize any contact. Purposely swimming over a person would be like pushing a person off the road during the run. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I generally try to avoid swimming over people...it definately isn't fun, but sometimes it is just how it goes. I typically will tap feet once just to let them know I'm there and I will go around...it normally isnt a big deal in OWS but in pool swimming and someone isn't letting me pass because they decided to go ahead or give a faster time than they should have for their swim, I will get frustrated and most likely run them over. Here I will restate so this does not get taken out of context...For the swimming leg in pools...Often with 6-10 people in a lane the leader of the lane does infact catch up to those at the end...With people circle swimming the "middle" part of the lane is for passing, there is nothing more frustrating than someone moving into this "pass zone" ..it prevents people from being able to pass in both directions...Believe me...I do not try to run people over, I understand that swimming creates alot of anxiety for alot of people...I had a coach who once stated when we were younger "If it happens to you once, you will probably never do it again..." in reference to standing on the T to rest and swimming down the middle of the lane and getting run over... Edited by mndymond 2009-07-28 11:32 AM |
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Veteran![]() ![]() | ![]() I've had people make a turn, veering off course, and end up under me. |
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Veteran![]() ![]() | ![]() I've had people make a turn, veering off course, and end up under me. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mrbbrad - 2009-07-28 11:02 AM Do you do it? Do you do it on purpose? What goes through your head? Walk me through that thought process please. Damn right I do! What goes through my head?! YOU SWIM TOO SLOW, BUTTERCUP!!!!!! ![]() I've actually stopped to apologize the few times I have really clobbered someone accidently. Most of my OWS are in dark, murky water and collisions are frequent, especially in wave starts when you catch the back of the wave ahead. Edited by bryancd 2009-07-28 11:18 AM |
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![]() | ![]() KSH - 2009-07-28 11:07 AM I'm a solid swimmer and generally come out 1-3 in my AG out of the water... and I can tell you that even in murky Texas lakes, I know when I'm coming up on someone and I make the effort to go around them. I am never swimming so fast that I can't stop from swimming over someone. Ditto here. To the person who had the attitude of "you asked for it, I'm gonna do this" above... uuh no. It is not the responsibility of the person in front of you to slow down to let you pass in the water. Learn to swim around them. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() + 1 to the accidental runover. only a couple of times, the last one being over a fellow from 2 waves priror that was wearing one of those skinsuits (water had to have been 85) and his legs were sunk down into the water still (Louisiana lake kind of water, read: black muddy) and before I knew it I was over him. I apologized as I swam away, but I wasn't feeling the love. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mndymond - 2009-07-28 11:12 AM I generally try to avoid swimming over people...it definately isn't fun, but sometimes it is just how it goes. I typically will tap feet once just to let them know I'm there and I will go around...it normally isnt a big deal in OWS but in pool swimming and someone isn't letting me pass because they decided to go ahead or give a faster time than they should have for their swim, I will get frustrated and most likely run them over. What goes through my head..."You are being a moron...stop moving into the center of the lane and cutting me off at turns so I can't pass...you have asked for it"...If they let me pass by staying on the right side of the lane "Yay, thank you random person who knows that they don't have to be super competitive in the swim leg and prevent faster people from passing them...." ![]() ...yeah, ok. Edited by bryancd 2009-07-28 11:26 AM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() does jumping their legs count?/ I learned that at a clinic, and when we practiced it I really didnt' notice when it was being done to me, so I'll jump their legs to get on the other side.. But I"m sure I"ve done it to someone at a mass start sometime.. ![]() |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() crowny2 - 2009-07-28 12:07 PM I've only done it once and it was purely accidental. As I was rolling off of her, I muttered an out of breath apology. Just quoting out of context for the hell of it. Sorry in advance if this gets the thread pulled. |
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![]() Gaarryy - 2009-07-28 9:23 AM does jumping their legs count?/ I learned that at a clinic, and when we practiced it I really didnt' notice when it was being done to me, so I'll jump their legs to get on the other side.. yup, do this on occasion if someone is swimming in the wrong direction towards me. Swimming is the one leg where I am lucky enough to have the ability to pass people. Starting in later waves, I pass a LOT, and I go around them, even if they are right on the buoy line. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Never! I have bumped some people but I really try to stay clear of other swimmer's. I have had some people swim over me and I am sure they knew exactly what they were doing but felt justified in doing so. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() first time was this past weekend in NYC, i was sighting every 4 or 5 strokes, i looked up once and there was a guy from a wave or two in front of me doing a back stroke about 2 feet away...prepare for impact...right over top, turned said sorry and kept on going...my bad. not on purpose, did not enjoy it, hope to not do it again. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Like swam up behind somebody and kept going right up their back? No way. That's slower than going around. I have made significant amounts of unintentional contact before. I've been cut in front of, or just caught someone I didn't see or who was stopped. I just keep going. S*** happens in the water, so be it. I actually swam a few inches from a guy for almost the entire swim of a HIM. He'd be on my hip, I'd get a few hands to the back, he'd get a few kicks in the ribs. Then he'd pull ahead a bit and I'd be the one getting kicked and he'd be getting hit. We were drafting each other, and the contact happened. No big deal. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Swim over - as in literally over the top of someone? I can't imagine that ever being necessary. I could see it happening accidentally and at race starts. I had it happen to me once and it was completely my own fault. Firs open water swim and got too close on someones feet and got kicked, so I stopped and got run over by two people... but that was on me for stopping to sulk after getting myself kicked. I had to swim between two people in a pool swim once, I had followed them and tapped their feet for two laps (they were side by side and causing the swimmers coming the other direction real trouble) so at the turn on the third lap (no one coming the other way finally) I went up the middle. What was going through my mind... "you guys really overestimated your times and you really should have stopped back there to let me go by after I tapped your feet for two laps... hope I don't kick you" |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't think very many (if any) people line up at the swim start thinking "He11 yeah, I'm going to run over people [literally]. I'm gonna thump 'em a good one." But, incidental contact happens, and to varying degrees...sometimes it results in a swim-over, or a face kick, sometimes not. Obviously, if there is room, and time, you move once you've made contact, but that luxury isn't always available. Anytime you've got a bunch of folks trying to get somewhere in a short time in relatively close confines, you're going to have jostling, bumping, and yes, the occasional run-overing. Happens at the start of a crowded track race (long distance). Happens in cycling, both in a sprint and in the peleton, as well as in track racing. It's rarely malicious...it just... is. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I try to avoid swimming "over" someone at all costs. Quite frankly it’s dangerous for both parties. Personally, I think a lot of this could be avoided for the most part if people would seed themselves better. But it's kind of a tough situation in the first place. Everyone is vertical at the start from a body position perspective and then everyone goes horizontal. Sometimes it tough to avoid. For me the only time I have had to deal with this is when I catch waves in front of me. When this happens I do my absolute best to swim around people. If that means swimming a few meters out of my way then so be it. For my own safety and the people who are obviously struggling it's worth it. It's like skiing. The faster and more experienced people on the slopes are in control and do everything and anything to avoid the less experience people. If you are a FOP swimmer and you are swimming over people on purpose you have issues. Bottom line is SAFTEY FIRST. Endangering someone is not worth it. It's just a race.
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I normally tap the persons feet so they know I'm there and then pass to the side. However, a lot of beginner swimmers drag their hips/legs and in murky water you don't know they are there until you are on top of them. It's only happened a couple of times and I felt bad but there's not much that can be done at that point. My advice to swimmers who are afraid of being swum over... have your legs near the surface and if you feel someone at your feet kick a little bit and you'll deter the person from swimming over you... |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2009-07-28 11:20 AM KSH - 2009-07-28 11:07 AM I'm a solid swimmer and generally come out 1-3 in my AG out of the water... and I can tell you that even in murky Texas lakes, I know when I'm coming up on someone and I make the effort to go around them. I am never swimming so fast that I can't stop from swimming over someone. Ditto here. To the person who had the attitude of "you asked for it, I'm gonna do this" above... uuh no. It is not the responsibility of the person in front of you to slow down to let you pass in the water. Learn to swim around them. Well, in a POOL SWIM.. when you go up/back in a lane (aka: very hard to pass in the middle w/out having a head on collision)... if someone is playing with your feet for 25 yards/meters... you should be polite and stop at the wall and let them pass. I'm sorry, but if you know you are holding the person up behind you... and you aren't willing to let them pass.. in a pool swim... you get what you get. If you fudged your time to get seated closer to the front... you get what you get. I have very little pity for people in pool swims who seated themselves in that spot with their time. Especially if they were given 25 yards/meters of warning. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Not being a fish I seed myself to the side and back but have still accidentally done it in the beginning. |
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