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2009-08-26 10:24 AM

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I was talking with one of my cousins about my upcoming triathlon--how I have been training, etc. She sniffed kinda haughtily and said "oh please, at those distances any reasonably fit person should be able to do it straight from a regular workout schedule."

I don't think this is true. Do you? Maybe any reasonably fit person could do one or even two of the sports, but all three, one right after another?

BTW, my response to her? "Don't see you doing one." Hehehe.


2009-08-26 10:30 AM
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GMM - 2009-08-26 10:24 AM I was talking with one of my cousins about my upcoming triathlon--how I have been training, etc. She sniffed kinda haughtily and said "oh please, at those distances any reasonably fit person should be able to do it straight from a regular workout schedule."

I don't think this is true. Do you? Maybe any reasonably fit person could do one or even two of the sports, but all three, one right after another?

BTW, my response to her? "Don't see you doing one." Hehehe.



What distance are we talking about here?  Any reasonably fit person who can reasonably swim can finish a short course, but probably won't race it very well.

Long course - no way.
2009-08-26 10:33 AM
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It reminds me of something my wife's boss was told.  He was talked into doing a sprint by a guy he knows (who's done a few tri's, including some HIMs and I believe an IM).  The boss didn't own a bike, but was told "Anyone can bike 12 miles - you don't need to practice".  Fortunately he listened to me and did get a bike a month before the race and trained. 

Can anyone complete the distance?  Sure, for a sprint or possibly even an oly.  Can you run the run after biking?  That's another story.  And of course, there is always the swim to contend with.  With a big wet mosh pit of flailing arms and legs. 

Your response to her was the correct one.  I might even have challenged her to a "superbrick" workout - swim the swim, then jump on the bikes for 10 or so miles, then run 1-2 miles. Immediately afterwards, ask her if she still thinks it's no big deal.
2009-08-26 10:34 AM
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If a reasonably fit person can swim...  I would agree with her.  A reasonable fir person could complete a sprint tri. 

Your point (imo) is good one... She is not committed to proving her point.  You should invite her along
2009-08-26 10:35 AM
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She is probably right that a reasonably active person could do a sprint triathlon.  Most people could pay a round of golf or play a game of basketball or softball too.  But they don't.  Some people have the courage to get out there and experience life and some people are content to sit on the couch and watch other people live life.

You should very politely invite her to participate in your triathlon and see what kind of excuse you get.  It is my experience that most people are intimidated by the swim.  Anyone can bike 10 or 15 miles and anyone can run/walk 3 miles if they had too...but swimming 1/2 a mile is another story.

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2009-08-26 10:37 AM
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I believe that I am "reasonably" fit but I'm nervous about an OLY.  I agree.. It's not a matter of whether I'll finish, it's a matter of whether I'll be embarrassingly slow compared to the rest of the pack.


2009-08-26 10:42 AM
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Pector55 - 2009-08-26 10:37 AM I believe that I am "reasonably" fit but I'm nervous about an OLY.  I agree.. It's not a matter of whether I'll finish, it's a matter of whether I'll be embarrassingly slow compared to the rest of the pack.

 

So I assume you are the little guy and not the big one in your picture?  :-)

2009-08-26 10:46 AM
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Assuming they can swim? Sure. They could complete it.
2009-08-26 10:47 AM
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Rogillio - 2009-08-26 11:42 AM

Pector55 - 2009-08-26 10:37 AM I believe that I am "reasonably" fit but I'm nervous about an OLY.  I agree.. It's not a matter of whether I'll finish, it's a matter of whether I'll be embarrassingly slow compared to the rest of the pack.

 

So I assume you are the little guy and not the big one in your picture?  :-)



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2009-08-26 10:48 AM
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Well I had not worked out for 3-4 years and decided to do a triathlon in 2006-I did 1 sprint and one Oly...I was 26 and came from a competitive swimming background...

I barely did any training except swiming twice a week and a few runs here and there...No bike training really.

I went 1.10 on the sprint...1000 yard swim,15 bike and 3.1 mile run

I went 2.25 on the Olympic...

So yes-With a good base of fitness any reasonably fit person can do a Tri-They wont win it but they can hold there own...It sucks for most people but genetics is a huge factor. You can train all day and still get beaten by the natural athlete...Having said that though it takes a lot of hard work and training to actually win a race...
2009-08-26 10:49 AM
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I see a chance for family bragging rights here...tell her it's time to put up or shut up...



2009-08-26 10:49 AM
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Your friend is 100% correct.

what people can do and do do are two different things, however.

you participating in tri's is awesome not because you have an ability most could only obtain with hours and hours of training, but because you do it because you can. 

sometimes thats all the reason we need to reach levels of success most only dream is possible through raw talent.

 





2009-08-26 10:49 AM
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All I can say about your comment back is "touche!"
2009-08-26 10:56 AM
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400M/15mi/5K?

I have to agree with her, provided they can safely swim the distance. Biking 15 miles and running/walking 3 is no big feat to anyone in reasonably fit condition, even with the three events done consecutively.

Also agree that you should challenge her to actually do one.
2009-08-26 11:00 AM
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I have a friend that did a local try-a tri last summer with only a couple of weeks of training (she is reasonably fit).  She ended up walking the entire 2.5k run and finished 10th last.  She was really disappointed with the race and basically blamed the whole thing on the fact that she was on a mountain bike.  Well 90% of the racers were on mountain bikes and they all manage to get pretty good times.  I suspect it was because she had never biked or ran hills (this race has plenty on both the bike and the run) and wasn't prepared.  Fast forward to this year and she has bought a road bike but still not trained a heck of a lot - I'm willing to bet that her performance won't be much better.

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DEMIGODKNIGHT - 2009-08-26 11:48 AM Well I had not worked out for 3-4 years and decided to do a triathlon in 2006-I did 1 sprint and one Oly...I was 26 and came from a competitive swimming background...

I barely did any training except swiming twice a week and a few runs here and there...No bike training really.

I went 1.10 on the sprint...1000 yard swim,15 bike and 3.1 mile run

I went 2.25 on the Olympic...

So yes-With a good base of fitness any reasonably fit person can do a Tri-They wont win it but they can hold there own...It sucks for most people but genetics is a huge factor. You can train all day and still get beaten by the natural athlete...Having said that though it takes a lot of hard work and training to actually win a race...


1:10 in your first sprint with little to no training.  I'm impressed.


2009-08-26 11:09 AM
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nerak11 - 2009-08-26 12:00 PM

I have a friend that did a local try-a tri last summer with only a couple of weeks of training (she is reasonably fit).  She ended up walking the entire 2.5k run and finished 10th last.  She was really disappointed with the race and basically blamed the whole thing on the fact that she was on a mountain bike.  Well 90% of the racers were on mountain bikes and they all manage to get pretty good times.  I suspect it was because she had never biked or ran hills (this race has plenty on both the bike and the run) and wasn't prepared.  Fast forward to this year and she has bought a road bike but still not trained a heck of a lot - I'm willing to bet that her performance won't be much better.



pffft, I thought we were only talking about "winners." 
2009-08-26 11:09 AM
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Sure, maybe someone reasonable fit can finish a triathlon.  But thats not even the point, the point is you decided to embark on our own journey, something that you hold true to yourself. To accomplishment something that YOU deem worthy of completing, and YOU will reap the rewards of your journey.  Most people cant phantom what we do, others are just the typical nah sayers, they have nothing going on, so they like to try and crush other peoples dreams, if she is reasonably fit, invite them out to the race. I will be at that race, will look for you.
2009-08-26 11:10 AM
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As mentioned, depends on the distance.

And no, you do not even have to be all that active to do a sprint.  As long as you know how to swim (and it helps if it is a pool swim), then even relatively sedentary people can do it (if they wanted) right off the couch.

Do it well?  Or do it without being really really slow and suffering a lot?  Probably not.

Example is my wife.  We signed her up for a sprint tri (400m pool swim, 14 mile bike, 5k run) to be with her friends that she walks with on Saturday mornings.  Fully intended to get trained and ready but 3 young boys and life to manage made it really hard for her to get in any training.  She got in about 3 swims, maybe 5 bike rides and about a dozen "runs" as well as her weekly walk with the ladies over a 4 month period.  Guess what, she finished on a challenging rolling course and while she was way back and was the last person to finish on the course, she did not finish DFL with her time and she was not the slowest in any leg of the race.

Finishing most race distances are more about mentally pushing yourself more so than physically pushing.  There may be a lot of walking involved, and some bad parts, but as long as you can keep moving injury free, you can make it to the end - if that is what you choose to do.

So in some ways I agree with the statement the OP's family said.

Now, does it discredit someone's hard work and training to say what the person said??  Hell yes it does!  And for that reason it was not really cool to say in my opinion.
2009-08-26 11:14 AM
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Daremo - 2009-08-26 12:10 PM As mentioned, depends on the distance.

And no, you do not even have to be all that active to do a sprint.  As long as you know how to swim (and it helps if it is a pool swim), then even relatively sedentary people can do it (if they wanted) right off the couch.

Do it well?  Or do it without being really really slow and suffering a lot?  Probably not.

Example is my wife.  We signed her up for a sprint tri (400m pool swim, 14 mile bike, 5k run) to be with her friends that she walks with on Saturday mornings.  Fully intended to get trained and ready but 3 young boys and life to manage made it really hard for her to get in any training.  She got in about 3 swims, maybe 5 bike rides and about a dozen "runs" as well as her weekly walk with the ladies over a 4 month period.  Guess what, she finished on a challenging rolling course and while she was way back and was the last person to finish on the course, she did not finish DFL with her time and she was not the slowest in any leg of the race.

Finishing most race distances are more about mentally pushing yourself more so than physically pushing.  There may be a lot of walking involved, and some bad parts, but as long as you can keep moving injury free, you can make it to the end - if that is what you choose to do.

So in some ways I agree with the statement the OP's family said.

Now, does it discredit someone's hard work and training to say what the person said??  Hell yes it does!  And for that reason it was not really cool to say in my opinion.


So true! I make it a point never to poo poo on what other people set out to do - just because i've run really long distances doesn't take away from someone who's doing their first mini sprint or 5k. They are great accomplishments and worth being proud of.

And although anyone could do it one day it's a whole other beast to be committed to it and train for it and make it part of your life.  The benefits of training over time far outweigh the fact that you could go out do it without doing much prepwork ... 
2009-08-26 11:14 AM
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I think it all depends on what one considers "reasonable fit".

If someone is "reasonable fit" because he/she is physically active (runs regularly, plays basketball regularly, can swim 400 meters with no practice, etc.) I think he/she can complete a short triathlon.  It may or may not be a sufferfest depending on actual fitness.

A lot of couch potatos consider themselves "reasonably fit" (I considered myself reasonably fit when I never exercised).  I wouldn't recommend they do a sprint triathlon....

Brian


2009-08-26 11:14 AM
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Could have said, "Great!  The more the merrier; you can do it with me!"  Then email her a registration invitation to the event.

2009-08-26 11:19 AM
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A co-worker and her brother do a small-town super sprint every year and the brother being an olympic level waterpolo/swimmer back in the day really does well. Anyway the sister and I were talking and I must have said something to the effect of for him to step it up and come to a big city race. Long story short, she told him, and he accepted my inadvertant "challenge" to do an Oly in Aug. He rides his bike to work every day so his issue is just the run with his "slow" time of 25 min/5K for a standalone. I expected to get clobbered and said as much.

Fast forward about 5 months, he's done a few runs but nothing like he should. Race day he's 2nd out of the water at around 20 mins (I'm 30 as usual), bike is about 1:20 (I claw back about 1 min on the bike with a 1:19 or so) but then on the run, he suffered like he's never suffered before. Pretty much last with a 1:16 run for total time of 3hrs while I pulled a tollerable (for me) 52 min run for a 2:40 time. If you saw us standing side by side you'd probably laugh as I'm short and chub while he's a tall super lean biker guy.

But at the end of the day he did a sub 3hr OLY on crap training, cause he had the fitness, where some others can train all year and still not make the 3hr line. Genetics is a cruel mistress.

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Sager - 2009-08-26 9:04 AM
DEMIGODKNIGHT - 2009-08-26 11:48 AM Well I had not worked out for 3-4 years and decided to do a triathlon in 2006-I did 1 sprint and one Oly...I was 26 and came from a competitive swimming background...

I barely did any training except swiming twice a week and a few runs here and there...No bike training really.

I went 1.10 on the sprint...1000 yard swim,15 bike and 3.1 mile run

I went 2.25 on the Olympic...

So yes-With a good base of fitness any reasonably fit person can do a Tri-They wont win it but they can hold there own...It sucks for most people but genetics is a huge factor. You can train all day and still get beaten by the natural athlete...Having said that though it takes a lot of hard work and training to actually win a race...


1:10 in your first sprint with little to no training.  I'm impressed.


I'm skeptical, I'd have to see the results. 1000m swim, even at 1:00/100 is 10 mins. Assuming 2 mins for transitions (total), that leaves 58 mins for the rest of the race. A 22 mph bike would give you a time 40:54 mins, and that leaves a 17:06 5k.

And I'm sorry, but there is no way anyone is doing 22mph on the bike and a 17:06 5k off the bike on "no real bike training and a few runs here and there". No way.

John

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tkd.teacher - 2009-08-26 12:29 PM
Sager - 2009-08-26 9:04 AM
DEMIGODKNIGHT - 2009-08-26 11:48 AM Well I had not worked out for 3-4 years and decided to do a triathlon in 2006-I did 1 sprint and one Oly...I was 26 and came from a competitive swimming background...

I barely did any training except swiming twice a week and a few runs here and there...No bike training really.

I went 1.10 on the sprint...1000 yard swim,15 bike and 3.1 mile run

I went 2.25 on the Olympic...

So yes-With a good base of fitness any reasonably fit person can do a Tri-They wont win it but they can hold there own...It sucks for most people but genetics is a huge factor. You can train all day and still get beaten by the natural athlete...Having said that though it takes a lot of hard work and training to actually win a race...


1:10 in your first sprint with little to no training.  I'm impressed.


I'm skeptical, I'd have to see the results. 1000m swim, even at 1:00/100 is 10 mins. Assuming 2 mins for transitions (total), that leaves 58 mins for the rest of the race. A 22 mph bike would give you a time 40:54 mins, and that leaves a 17:06 5k.

And I'm sorry, but there is no way anyone is doing 22mph on the bike and a 17:06 5k off the bike on "no real bike training and a few runs here and there". No way.

John


I agree with you John, but I stopped calling people out on finishing times after you laid into 1-2 months ago for doing the same....WinkWink

keep in mind, some also train 10 hours a week, and make training claims as indicated above to make it appear, they're not even trying, which in a way, makes their 1:10 look even more impressive than it might be.

but, I agree with you.  either training is higher than indicated, or finishing time is off, or course was off....

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