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 2009-09-15 7:25 PM |
New user 37  Long Beach--So Cal!!! |  Subject: IM dry runMy goal is to complete an IM at the end of 2010. I am looking to just finish the darn thing. From the research I have done, the IM AZ looks to be my best bet. I know from my marathon training that one can prepare and follow the plan, but sometimes things happen; anything from high heat, horrid weather, to an unexpected injury 4 days out from your target race. For me, that is just agony, to lose months of training to a freak thing and be pushed off for another 4-6 months... I have been thinking about attempting the Vineman full as a dry run--again just to finish. I realize that I would lose an hour on cutoff, and if I didn't make it, I would have a very good idea of what I needed to do to make it for IMAZ--and if I did finish...I would be an IM early! (The time in between the IM events is almost 4 months.) Is thinking a recipe for disaster? How much time do all of you allow in between IM? Do you limit your practices to strictly HIM? |
| 2009-09-15 7:32 PM in reply to: #2408412 |
Extreme Veteran 484 McHenry, IL | Subject: RE: IM dry run I don't get it. You're going to do an Ironman to see if you're ready to do an Ironman? |
| 2009-09-15 8:05 PM in reply to: #2408412 |
Master 1468 Montgomery, Tx | Subject: RE: IM dry run A dry run doing 140.6 is the same as doing IMAZ. Maybe I do not understand, but I say try to register for IMAZ if you can. |
| 2009-09-15 8:45 PM in reply to: #2408412 |
Sneaky Slow 8694   Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: IM dry run what? |
| 2009-09-15 8:51 PM in reply to: #2408412 |
Master 2381 Dallas, Texas | Subject: RE: IM dry run I agree with the posts above. This doesn't make any sense...doing an IM to see if you can do an IM. Here's a training workout for you. Race day simulation. Do this and you can be pretty sure you'll complete an IM. 1 hour swim followed by 5 hour bike followed by 1 hour run |
| 2009-09-15 9:06 PM in reply to: #2408412 |
Champion 5782 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: IM dry run As a Vineman finisher, I'm vaguely offended by the premise of the OP...I think...didn't know I was doing some sort of "only counts as practice" IM... |
| 2009-09-15 9:08 PM in reply to: #2408412 |
Master 1779 | Subject: RE: IM dry run IMO, you have to believe that you can and will complete the Ironman regardless of what happens that day. Going into the race you do the best that you can with the circumstances that are given. If it isn't meant to be (accidents, nutrition, severe weather) then it wasn't your day. You train for everything that can and will happen during the race. Have a plan and execute it to the best of your ability. Things happen. Control what you can and let go of the rest. Hopefully I will be able to follow my own advice at IMFL in 7 weeks. *** Edited by Catwoman 2009-09-15 9:09 PM |
| 2009-09-15 9:14 PM in reply to: #2408412 |
Elite 2998 Fishers, Indiana | Subject: RE: IM dry run I think you may be underestimating a.) what it takes to get the finish line of an IM and b.) what it does to your body when you're done with an IM. Now, plenty of folks tackle two IMs in one year, but most don't. Ask plenty of folks around here, 2-3 months after their IM they're still trying to get back to it well, not cause their body is hurt, but because they were tired. I'd highly suggest that if you're planning to try for a first time IM to pick one, and then train well for it. Put in the miles, put in the training, doing one or two half-iron races, etc. but to do an IM to "practice" for an IM is a quite unusual. Whether it's an "m-dot" race or an independent, 140.6 miles is still 140.6 miles. If you go into the practice one unprepared, you may hurt yourself and jeopardize your attempt at a second one. Pick IMAZ, start working on your base now, and find a good solid training plan for IMAZ next year. |
| 2009-09-15 9:19 PM in reply to: #2408412 |
Member 69 Not where I want to be... | Subject: RE: IM dry run My first question is Have you completed at leas the 70.3 distance? A 70.3 distance race will give you a good understanding of your ability to participate in a 140.6. It will show you your strengths and weaknesses all in one day. If you are considering a IM then figure out which one in which location would best suit you. As for a "dry run", if you attempt to do a self sustained IM then that is an Ironman. Ironman is stated by the distance not a M Dot logo or M Dot sponsered event. When I read your post I head doubt in your words. Dry run or not any doubt will derail you in more than just the obvious ways. I would suggest that you schedule and complete a 70.3 distance first and also work on your mind set to gain the focus and discipline to train and compete in a 140.6. |
| 2009-09-16 5:12 AM in reply to: #2408412 |
Elite 3658 Roswell, GA | Subject: RE: IM dry run workerbee - 2009-09-15 8:25 PM My goal is to complete an IM at the end of 2010. I am looking to just finish the darn thing. From the research I have done, the IM AZ looks to be my best bet. I know from my marathon training that one can prepare and follow the plan, but sometimes things happen; anything from high heat, horrid weather, to an unexpected injury 4 days out from your target race. For me, that is just agony, to lose months of training to a freak thing and be pushed off for another 4-6 months... I have been thinking about attempting the Vineman full as a dry run--again just to finish. I realize that I would lose an hour on cutoff, and if I didn't make it, I would have a very good idea of what I needed to do to make it for IMAZ--and if I did finish...I would be an IM early! (The time in between the IM events is almost 4 months.) Is thinking a recipe for disaster? How much time do all of you allow in between IM? Do you limit your practices to strictly HIM? Are you tapering? This sounds like the nutty stuff I contemplate during a taper.
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| 2009-09-16 11:35 AM in reply to: #2408412 |
Master 1547 | Subject: RE: IM dry run Perhaps you could do the Vineman Aquathon which is 2.4 S 112B without the run. That may build your confidence. I almost did the same thing this year but couldn't justify the days off work plus roughly $1000 in hotel/race fees just as a training day. |
| 2009-09-16 11:39 AM in reply to: #2408412 |
Master 1989 New Jersey | Subject: RE: IM dry run Recipe for disaster. I'm glad people told me to tackle my first ironman before even thinking about a second one. Even though I did it "just to finish", it took way more outta me than I imagined. Plus, I noticed that even doing big training weekends - such as covering the whole distance over the course of 3 days - took enough out of me that even by the following weekend I still had some fatigue from it. I thought it was me, but others, including IM veterans, have told me similar things. Train for the single IM race. You'll get enough feedback during your training as you'll have some big days in there. |
| 2009-09-16 11:58 AM in reply to: #2408412 |
Expert 1226 Chicago | Subject: RE: IM dry run I'd suggest doing a full aquabike (everything but the marathon) or a few extra 70.3's. Redman offers a full aquabike in september, which may make a great test run for you on race day. |
| 2009-09-16 12:04 PM in reply to: #2409703 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: IM dry run RunningJayhawk - 2009-09-16 12:58 PM I'd suggest doing a full aquabike (everything but the marathon) or a few extra 70.3's. Redman offers a full aquabike in september, which may make a great test run for you on race day. x2. I'm doing an AquaVelo (2.4 mi run, 112 mi bike) next weekend in preparation for IMCOZ. I'm going to use it to practice pacing and dial in my nutrition plan. |
| 2009-09-16 10:43 PM in reply to: #2408412 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: IM dry run I agree with the general sentiment, and I'm the sort of person who would sign up for an IM never having done a tri ever, and not being able to swim more than 200m. If you want to do an IM, great. Pick one, sign up, and train for it by following some decent plan (and no, that plan will not include a dry run, IMO). Edited by Experior 2009-09-16 10:44 PM |
| 2009-09-17 12:32 PM in reply to: #2408412 |
| New user 37 Long Beach--So Cal!!! | Subject: RE: IM dry run Wow--thanks all so much for the feedback. If I offended anyone, please accept my humble apologies. Anyone that can finish an IM is an awesome athlete! I want so badly to join this group...and I do get smacked upside the head with Murphy's Law. (Yes, I am moving into the taper phase of my marathon training and this does make me a bit jumpy...) I am scheduling my first HIM this spring at the Oceanside 70.3, so I may be really underestimating the event. Only time will tell on that one. |
| 2009-09-18 5:39 PM in reply to: #2408412 |
Elite 5316 Alturas, California | Subject: RE: IM dry run I did a HIM 7 weeks out from my first IM (Vineman) as a decent test of fitness, for fun and to check pacing, nutrition, etc. A HIM gives you a solid week of recovery and then a lite week before building again, then after a 2-3 week build you have a 3 week taper. After the IM it is 2 weeks of total recovery, 2 weeks of not so much (1-4 hours a week), and then a slow build of 1 hour per week for a month or 2 to get back to a base level. (my journey anyway). 6 weeks out my long run is 10 miles, long bike is 30 and long swim is 2000 yards. We build slowly from there. Folks who do IM's a couple months appart have been completing IM's for years and have an unbelievable base. I don't think one can do that in the first couple years of IM training. I certainly would not want to try it. So for me Mary 1/09, HIM 6/09, IM 8/09, Mary 1/10, IM 6/10. So technically 2 IM in one year, but 11 months appart 8). |
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