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 2010-01-26 10:26 AM |
Champion  7347     SRQ, FL |  Subject: How dumb does he think we are?So Obama approves billions in spending increases in his first year, wants to pass a health care bill that will cost trillions. [The] catch-all spending bill Obama signed in March that included leftover budgets from President Bush boosted spending by 8 percent, and the catch-all spending bill he signed in December increased non-defense spending by 12 percent. But now he's Mr. Thrifty and wants to cut spending by less than 1%. Sure any cut is better than no cut but it's a slap in the face after wasting all that money. They will sell it as "look how much we're saving". In reality it's all a public relations move. Does he really think we're all that dumb? Seriously. Does this administration have ANY clue what's going on? (and watch..he'll be all about "jobs" in the SOTU speech also. Didn't do a darn thing for over a year but now that HC is derailed that will be "our primary focus". Whatever.) Can we officially call this Presidency a failure yet? (and let's see how long we can go without mentioning Bush and blaming all of this on him. We know the mistakes that we made. Obama has had the reins for over a year now and has had every opportunity to make the best of being handed lemons.) (deep breath...rant over for now) |
| 2010-01-26 10:29 AM in reply to: #2635118 |
Champion 5874 Milton, GA | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? kinda like when my wife goes shopping and comes all with all of this stuff and a huge bill, then says well at least this skirt was on sale. yeah you big saver, you |
| 2010-01-26 10:38 AM in reply to: #2635118 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? You complain when he increases spending. And now he's decreased it and you're still complaining. Do you ever stop complaining? Edit: Not YOU specifically, but YOU, as in the Obama-haters. Edited by mr2tony 2010-01-26 10:38 AM |
| 2010-01-26 10:41 AM in reply to: #2635118 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? TriRSquared - 2010-01-26 11:26 AM ... Can we officially call this Presidency a failure yet? (and let's see how long we can go without mentioning Bush and blaming all of this on him. We know the mistakes that we made. Obama has had the reins for over a year now and has had every opportunity to make the best of being handed lemons.) (deep breath...rant over for now) I think it depends entirely on what you consider to be the definition of "failure", and what you were expecting of him. I think The Daily Show nailed it last week when they pointed out that he is doomed to be disappointing both sides. The conservatives can't acknowledge anything positive (if he does something, he is trying to create a fascist/socialist takeover; if he does nothing, he is ineffective and not doing anything). And the liberals had unrealistically high expectations of him (I especially liked Larry Wilmore's comments as Senior Black Analyst that he is NOT a "magical Negro"). Is there anything he could have done or do that you would say means he was being succesful? If you can't identify anything that you believe he could have realistically done, then I would say your comment that I bolded indicates that you were only waiting until you could "officially" call it what you believed no matter what. And you have NO IDEA how hard it was for me to NOT say anything about his predecessor and the idea of "failure" |
| 2010-01-26 10:49 AM in reply to: #2635152 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? mr2tony - 2010-01-26 11:38 AM You complain when he increases spending. And now he's decreased it and you're still complaining. Do you ever stop complaining? Edit: Not YOU specifically, but YOU, as in the Obama-haters. That's the point Tony. He's NOT decreasing spending. Would you really say I was decreasing my spending if I was on unemployment (that's basically what our economy is on right now) and bought a brand new BMW and then a week later I got the small instead of large beer with dinner? Technically yes. But I think we'd all agree it's not really decreasing spending. Want to impress me. Decrease spending by MORE than you have increased it. Then I'll give him credit. All he is doing is slowing down on the spending. |
| 2010-01-26 10:49 AM in reply to: #2635170 |
Champion 5868 Urbandale, IA | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? gearboy - 2010-01-26 10:41 AM TriRSquared - 2010-01-26 11:26 AM ... Can we officially call this Presidency a failure yet? (and let's see how long we can go without mentioning Bush and blaming all of this on him. We know the mistakes that we made. Obama has had the reins for over a year now and has had every opportunity to make the best of being handed lemons.) (deep breath...rant over for now) I think it depends entirely on what you consider to be the definition of "failure", and what you were expecting of him. I think The Daily Show nailed it last week when they pointed out that he is doomed to be disappointing both sides. The conservatives can't acknowledge anything positive (if he does something, he is trying to create a fascist/socialist takeover; if he does nothing, he is ineffective and not doing anything). And the liberals had unrealistically high expectations of him (I especially liked Larry Wilmore's comments as Senior Black Analyst that he is NOT a "magical Negro"). Is there anything he could have done or do that you would say means he was being succesful? If you can't identify anything that you believe he could have realistically done, then I would say your comment that I bolded indicates that you were only waiting until you could "officially" call it what you believed no matter what. And you have NO IDEA how hard it was for me to NOT say anything about his predecessor and the idea of "failure" I am not a liberal nor a conservative. I had hoped he would - I don't know - do what he said he was going to do. That would have pleased me. |
| 2010-01-26 10:52 AM in reply to: #2635170 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? gearboy - 2010-01-26 11:41 AM Is there anything he could have done or do that you would say means he was being succesful? If you can't identify anything that you believe he could have realistically done, then I would say your comment that I bolded indicates that you were only waiting until you could "officially" call it what you believed no matter what. And you have NO IDEA how hard it was for me to NOT say anything about his predecessor and the idea of "failure" BZZZ. I think that counts..judges? 3 posts. The over/under was 7  Yes he could have been a success in my eyes. When he was elected I was disappointed but promised to give him a shot. He has let me down every step (in many ways). Had he said he was cutting spending by MORE than he had increased it that would have been successful. Had he actually created a decent number of jobs with the stimulus bill that would have been successful. Had he worked WITH the right on a HC bill that improved the state of HC in this country, THAT would have impressed me. Had he made things transpaent like he said he would. Had he vetoed bills with pork in them like he promised. Had he gone thru the budget line by line like he said several times in his pre-election speeches. All of those things would have gotten a atta-boy from me. So far, zilch. And technically he still can (he has 3 years left). However I'm not going to hold my breath. Edited by TriRSquared 2010-01-26 10:54 AM |
| 2010-01-26 11:13 AM in reply to: #2635194 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? well he was smart enough to get elected..  |
| 2010-01-26 11:23 AM in reply to: #2635118 |
Expert 670 Bucks County | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? I'm obama neutral but was not too impressed after I read past the headline. I have not been imrpessed with his leadership thus far but hoping that will improve. |
| 2010-01-26 11:23 AM in reply to: #2635257 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? Gaarryy - 2010-01-26 10:13 AM well he was smart enough to get elected.. I didn't hear anyone say Obama is not smart. |
| 2010-01-26 11:29 AM in reply to: #2635257 |
| Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? Gaarryy - 2010-01-26 9:13 AM well he was smart enough to get elected.. that makes him half as smart as. ...well..... never mind: ) |
| 2010-01-26 11:32 AM in reply to: #2635118 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? THe worst part is it's a spending freeze on DISCRETIONARY spending. This represents 38% of the total budget. If he had said it was a freeze on the whole budget that might be slightly better but still ineffective. |
| 2010-01-26 11:36 AM in reply to: #2635286 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? rayd - 2010-01-26 11:23 AM Gaarryy - 2010-01-26 10:13 AM well he was smart enough to get elected.. I didn't hear anyone say Obama is not smart. that's a good point,, and I stand corrected |
| 2010-01-26 11:40 AM in reply to: #2635118 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? There is something called "spin." Basically, China cannot continue to buy U.S. bonds at the same rate so unless the U.S. fires up the printing presses, congress and the president will be forced to slow down on the spending. However, being politicians, they will spin it that they WANT to control spending, not that they are being forced to by the fact that other countries simply cannot and will not continue to dump money into bonds back by a falling dollar. |
| 2010-01-26 11:50 AM in reply to: #2635170 |
Master 1585 Folsom (Sacramento), CA | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? gearboy - 2010-01-26 8:41 AM TriRSquared - 2010-01-26 11:26 AM ... Can we officially call this Presidency a failure yet? (and let's see how long we can go without mentioning Bush and blaming all of this on him. We know the mistakes that we made. Obama has had the reins for over a year now and has had every opportunity to make the best of being handed lemons.) (deep breath...rant over for now) I think it depends entirely on what you consider to be the definition of "failure", and what you were expecting of him. I think The Daily Show nailed it last week when they pointed out that he is doomed to be disappointing both sides. The conservatives can't acknowledge anything positive (if he does something, he is trying to create a fascist/socialist takeover; if he does nothing, he is ineffective and not doing anything). And the liberals had unrealistically high expectations of him (I especially liked Larry Wilmore's comments as Senior Black Analyst that he is NOT a "magical Negro"). Is there anything he could have done or do that you would say means he was being succesful? If you can't identify anything that you believe he could have realistically done, then I would say your comment that I bolded indicates that you were only waiting until you could "officially" call it what you believed no matter what. And you have NO IDEA how hard it was for me to NOT say anything about his predecessor and the idea of "failure" Yes, generally in discussions on COJ, there majority of conservatives disagree with Obama. Could it possibly be that we only discuss the controversial topics on COJ? If we talked about the non-controversial topics that we didn't disagree on, it would be a pretty boring conversation. |
| 2010-01-26 12:19 PM in reply to: #2635324 |
Master 2802 Minnetonka, Minnesota | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? Pector 55 - well said! |
| 2010-01-26 1:13 PM in reply to: #2635404 |
Elite 3091 Spokane, WA | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? ejshowers - 2010-01-26 12:19 PM Pector 55 - well said! Yes, well said. What amuses me is that most of the Obama-haters were not wailing when Bush Jr. was spending like a drunken sailor. |
| 2010-01-26 1:18 PM in reply to: #2635118 |
| Master 1963 | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? It's sad that he railed against this idea, now embraces it but it's still just a drop in the bucket (and that's assuming his colleagues in congress even let this one pass without watering it down or outright killing it) In his own words from the presidential debates in 2008 Edited by merlin2375 2010-01-26 1:20 PM |
| 2010-01-26 1:28 PM in reply to: #2635532 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? zed707 - 2010-01-26 2:13 PM ejshowers - 2010-01-26 12:19 PM Pector 55 - well said! Yes, well said. What amuses me is that most of the Obama-haters were not wailing when Bush Jr. was spending like a drunken sailor. Everyone always falls back to this argument (which is weak). I never saw any of the "left leaning" on this board complain about it either. So what does this tell you? Two wrongs do not make a right. I did not like the spending either. However what is done is done. Obama had a chance to change that. He chose "business as usual". |
| 2010-01-26 1:29 PM in reply to: #2635152 |
Extreme Veteran 446 Barrington, IL | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? mr2tony - 2010-01-26 10:38 AM You complain when he increases spending. And now he's decreased it and you're still complaining. Do you ever stop complaining? Edit: Not YOU specifically, but YOU, as in the Obama-haters. His decreased spending is spending the MOST EVER and then the next year only cutting it by 1%. Do you have to agree with everything he does or else you are a hater???? I see that over 50% of the public disapprove of Obama know. Obviously many of them voted for him - maybe it is because of his reckless spending. |
| 2010-01-26 1:34 PM in reply to: #2635324 |
| Regular 123 | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? Pector55 - 2010-01-26 11:40 AM There is something called "spin." Basically, China cannot continue to buy U.S. bonds at the same rate so unless the U.S. fires up the printing presses, congress and the president will be forced to slow down on the spending. However, being politicians, they will spin it that they WANT to control spending, not that they are being forced to by the fact that other countries simply cannot and will not continue to dump money into bonds back by a falling dollar. x2 |
| 2010-01-26 1:34 PM in reply to: #2635574 |
Elite 3091 Spokane, WA | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? TriRSquared - 2010-01-26 1:28 PM zed707 - 2010-01-26 2:13 PM ejshowers - 2010-01-26 12:19 PM Pector 55 - well said! Yes, well said. What amuses me is that most of the Obama-haters were not wailing when Bush Jr. was spending like a drunken sailor. Everyone always falls back to this argument (which is weak). I never saw any of the "left leaning" on this board complain about it either. So what does this tell you? Two wrongs do not make a right. I did not like the spending either. However what is done is done. Obama had a chance to change that. He chose "business as usual". I totally disagree that it's a weak argument. In fact, I believe it's a very strong argument that some people have very strong party affiliations and tend to overlook problems with their party. Someone who ignored Bush's spending but bitterly complains about Obama's would be such a person. |
| 2010-01-26 1:36 PM in reply to: #2635579 |
Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? Magnum27 - 2010-01-26 12:29 PM mr2tony - 2010-01-26 10:38 AM You complain when he increases spending. And now he's decreased it and you're still complaining. Do you ever stop complaining? Edit: Not YOU specifically, but YOU, as in the Obama-haters. His decreased spending is spending the MOST EVER and then the next year only cutting it by 1%. Do you have to agree with everything he does or else you are a hater???? I see that over 50% of the public disapprove of Obama know. Obviously many of them voted for him - maybe it is because of his reckless spending. In all fairness every year, the budget becomes the highest it's ever been. so every year the president is spending the most ever. |
| 2010-01-26 1:38 PM in reply to: #2635579 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? Magnum27 - 2010-01-26 1:29 PM mr2tony - 2010-01-26 10:38 AM You complain when he increases spending. And now he's decreased it and you're still complaining. Do you ever stop complaining? Edit: Not YOU specifically, but YOU, as in the Obama-haters. His decreased spending is spending the MOST EVER and then the next year only cutting it by 1%. You could've stopped at this and proved my point. I'm saying that while he's not shutting down the government and closing the post offices, he's actually taking a step in the right direction. Had he increased by only 1 percent, it would've been `ANOTHER WHOLE PERCENT!? THIS DUDE IS OFF HIS ROCKER!' Basically, as an independent, all I get from both sides is `YOUR GUYS STINKS!' It's counterproductive and argumentative. Every president sucks, it's just a matter of picking the least sucky of the candidates. |
| 2010-01-26 1:47 PM in reply to: #2635118 |
Master 1795 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: How dumb does he think we are? Fact is independent voters are upset because they are not gettign the CHANGE they heard about for over a year on the campaign trail. It is more of the same. Obama will continue to be bashed by the right and loved by the hard left. It's those in the middle he is losing touch with. When he won the elction with just over 50% of the votes, he did not have the great support everyone is saying has gone away. He is simply losing 15-25% of those who did vote for him in the first place. Tonights speech will be a great speach I am sure. But after so many speeches and little action to back up, it will be another disapointment. I only hope that some of the actions he discusses to get us on the right track come to fruition. As much as I admit not being a fan of his, this is a mess we will all have to clean up regardless so prefer to see that start now vs. 2012 after 2 more years of damage. 2 cents. |
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