The end of the Flip turn debate forever
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2011-09-22 12:09 PM |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: The end of the Flip turn debate forever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vRJZ9R9Uqk Lance does them so clearly the rest of us should too! |
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2011-09-22 1:06 PM in reply to: #3696539 |
Extreme Veteran 635 Georgia | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever Yikes that looked a little close at 13 seconds. Busy lanes. Yep flips it is.So now we can move forward with finding lance perhaps with aero bars on a road bike and we'll have two down. |
2011-09-22 1:17 PM in reply to: #3696539 |
Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever Are you SURE you want to completely emulate Lance in that way? So, after you're done with surgery and chemo, how good is your bike going to be? |
2011-09-22 1:18 PM in reply to: #3696634 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever mxr746 - 2011-09-23 3:06 AM Yikes that looked a little close at 13 seconds. Busy lanes. Yep flips it is.So now we can move forward with finding lance perhaps with aero bars on a road bike and we'll have two down. Funny you should say ... (lance.tri.jpg) Attachments ---------------- lance.tri.jpg (16KB - 7 downloads) |
2011-09-22 1:19 PM in reply to: #3696539 |
Elite 3140 | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever Oh, thats a Flip turn..thanks |
2011-09-22 1:33 PM in reply to: #3696539 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever axteraa - 2011-09-23 2:09 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vRJZ9R9Uqk Lance does them so clearly the rest of us should too! too bad his form still sucks I bet he could get his repeat splits under 1:00 if he did something useful with his left arm and actually rotated. Hahahaha |
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2011-09-22 2:16 PM in reply to: #3696655 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever TriAya - 2011-09-22 11:18 AM mxr746 - 2011-09-23 3:06 AM Yikes that looked a little close at 13 seconds. Busy lanes. Yep flips it is.So now we can move forward with finding lance perhaps with aero bars on a road bike and we'll have two down. Funny you should say ... That's a Kestrel KM40, I believe, which was produced as a TT bike. But it still doesn't answer the Campy/Shimano or clincher/tubular debate. |
2011-09-22 2:18 PM in reply to: #3696769 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever briderdt - 2011-09-22 1:16 PM That's a Kestrel KM40, I believe, which was produced as a TT bike My God, it is! That was my first TT bike! |
2011-09-22 3:42 PM in reply to: #3696539 |
Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever Anyone else swim clockwise circles (i.e., on the left)?? Or is he training in Oz? |
2011-09-22 4:25 PM in reply to: #3696919 |
Regular 107 | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever I believe that video is from the Talisman Centre in Calgary, AB. There are a few facilities here that have that rotation. Our YMCA's though have the normal 'on the right' rotation though. |
2011-09-22 5:16 PM in reply to: #3696919 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever ChrisM - 2011-09-22 5:42 PM Anyone else swim clockwise circles (i.e., on the left)?? Or is he training in Oz? Really? You go counter clockwise in all lanes? We always alternate so that you aren't swimming *against* the lane beside you - handy in Fly sets to avoid arm smashing... |
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2011-09-22 5:53 PM in reply to: #3696539 |
Expert 1544 Alexandria, MN | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever Is that really Lance, because the short amount I just saw looked like a really crappy swimmer, arms smacking the water, didn't look smooth or comfortable at all. |
2011-09-22 5:59 PM in reply to: #3696539 |
Expert 697 Northern CA | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever And he was windmilling with his arms. |
2011-09-22 6:07 PM in reply to: #3697032 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever axteraa - 2011-09-22 6:16 PM ChrisM - 2011-09-22 5:42 PM Anyone else swim clockwise circles (i.e., on the left)?? Or is he training in Oz? Really? You go counter clockwise in all lanes? We always alternate so that you aren't swimming *against* the lane beside you - handy in Fly sets to avoid arm smashing... Every organized workout I've ever been around goes counter clockwise in all lanes, but that's a good idea to alternate lanes. I've smacked hands hard enough a few times that I thought I broke a bone. Alternating lanes would screw me up a bit, though, because I've done so many flip turns while circle swimming counter clockwise that I don't know if I could do a turn rolling to the right instead of the left anymore.
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2011-09-22 6:08 PM in reply to: #3697065 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever Climbinggonzo - 2011-09-22 7:53 PM Is that really Lance, because the short amount I just saw looked like a really crappy swimmer, arms smacking the water, didn't look smooth or comfortable at all. 16 seconds for that final 25m. Reports from that swim in Calgary say he was doing 1:01 for 100m in a set. As crappy as it looks, it clearly works. |
2011-09-22 6:13 PM in reply to: #3697079 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever TriMyBest - 2011-09-22 8:07 PM axteraa - 2011-09-22 6:16 PM ChrisM - 2011-09-22 5:42 PM Anyone else swim clockwise circles (i.e., on the left)?? Or is he training in Oz? Really? You go counter clockwise in all lanes? We always alternate so that you aren't swimming *against* the lane beside you - handy in Fly sets to avoid arm smashing... Every organized workout I've ever been around goes counter clockwise in all lanes, but that's a good idea to alternate lanes. I've smacked hands hard enough a few times that I thought I broke a bone. Alternating lanes would screw me up a bit, though, because I've done so many flip turns while circle swimming counter clockwise that I don't know if I could do a turn rolling to the right instead of the left anymore.
I don't roll different ways for different directions - one way just works a bit better than the other. I swim with a gal that can roll either direction though - screws with my head when she is the one directly in front of me and I see her turn. I'm really surprised it's not a common practice to alternate. At our masters practices, the first person in the water pretty much determines the direction for everyone else. If they swim counter clockwise, the lanes beside them go clockwise and so on... ETA: they are alternating lanes in the video. Maybe it's a Canadian thing... Edited by axteraa 2011-09-22 6:15 PM |
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2011-09-22 6:49 PM in reply to: #3697085 |
Member 319 Seattle, WA | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever axteraa - 2011-09-22 4:13 PM TriMyBest - 2011-09-22 8:07 PM axteraa - 2011-09-22 6:16 PM ChrisM - 2011-09-22 5:42 PM Anyone else swim clockwise circles (i.e., on the left)?? Or is he training in Oz? Really? You go counter clockwise in all lanes? We always alternate so that you aren't swimming *against* the lane beside you - handy in Fly sets to avoid arm smashing... Every organized workout I've ever been around goes counter clockwise in all lanes, but that's a good idea to alternate lanes. I've smacked hands hard enough a few times that I thought I broke a bone. Alternating lanes would screw me up a bit, though, because I've done so many flip turns while circle swimming counter clockwise that I don't know if I could do a turn rolling to the right instead of the left anymore.
I don't roll different ways for different directions - one way just works a bit better than the other. I swim with a gal that can roll either direction though - screws with my head when she is the one directly in front of me and I see her turn. I'm really surprised it's not a common practice to alternate. At our masters practices, the first person in the water pretty much determines the direction for everyone else. If they swim counter clockwise, the lanes beside them go clockwise and so on... ETA: they are alternating lanes in the video. Maybe it's a Canadian thing... Granted I'm not in the pool as much as I should be, but I've never seen anyone swimming clockwise in a pool before. I like the idea of alternating lanes though, I've smacked hands badly on more than one occasion. |
2011-09-22 8:28 PM in reply to: #3697079 |
Minneapolis, MN | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever Every organized workout I've ever been around goes counter clockwise in all lanes, but that's a good idea to alternate lanes. I've smacked hands hard enough a few times that I thought I broke a bone. Alternating lanes would screw me up a bit, though, because I've done so many flip turns while circle swimming counter clockwise that I don't know if I could do a turn rolling to the right instead of the left anymore.
in college i swam with a hard cast on my hand and wrist, for half a season. the whole team got a lot better at recovering with our hands in tight to our bodies. |
2011-09-22 8:52 PM in reply to: #3696539 |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever He's clearly one of the fast swimmers since he wore a dark swim cap. Holy near-collision. How come they don't have lane dividers? |
2011-09-22 9:28 PM in reply to: #3697080 |
Master 2372 | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever axteraa - 2011-09-22 6:08 PM Climbinggonzo - 2011-09-22 7:53 PM Is that really Lance, because the short amount I just saw looked like a really crappy swimmer, arms smacking the water, didn't look smooth or comfortable at all. 16 seconds for that final 25m. Reports from that swim in Calgary say he was doing 1:01 for 100m in a set. As crappy as it looks, it clearly works. I clocked it at 15 seconds. I wasn't impressed with the technique, either, but there is no doubt he was moving at a pretty darn quick clip. |
2011-09-22 9:35 PM in reply to: #3696539 |
Master 1404 Saratoga Springs, Utah | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever I am interested to see how fast he really is in the water this weekend. I live less than an hour away from this Xterra race and hopefully get to see it for myself. |
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2011-09-23 3:40 AM in reply to: #3697200 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever 1stTimeTri - 2011-09-22 10:52 PM He's clearly one of the fast swimmers since he wore a dark swim cap. Holy near-collision. How come they don't have lane dividers? It's funny, I don't see that as a near collision at all. As long as the person doing the flip turn comes off the wall at a predictable angle, the following person can start cutting into the center of the lane and go right past the flipper. I used to train with 5-6 swimmers per lane in a 20 yard pool, you get pretty good at tight turns like that. |
2011-09-23 4:08 AM in reply to: #3697085 |
Extreme Veteran 532 Northampton, UK | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever axteraa - 2011-09-23 12:13 AM We do the alternating lanes in the UK as wellTriMyBest - 2011-09-22 8:07 PM axteraa - 2011-09-22 6:16 PM ChrisM - 2011-09-22 5:42 PM Anyone else swim clockwise circles (i.e., on the left)?? Or is he training in Oz? Really? You go counter clockwise in all lanes? We always alternate so that you aren't swimming *against* the lane beside you - handy in Fly sets to avoid arm smashing... Every organized workout I've ever been around goes counter clockwise in all lanes, but that's a good idea to alternate lanes. I've smacked hands hard enough a few times that I thought I broke a bone. Alternating lanes would screw me up a bit, though, because I've done so many flip turns while circle swimming counter clockwise that I don't know if I could do a turn rolling to the right instead of the left anymore.
I don't roll different ways for different directions - one way just works a bit better than the other. I swim with a gal that can roll either direction though - screws with my head when she is the one directly in front of me and I see her turn. I'm really surprised it's not a common practice to alternate. At our masters practices, the first person in the water pretty much determines the direction for everyone else. If they swim counter clockwise, the lanes beside them go clockwise and so on... ETA: they are alternating lanes in the video. Maybe it's a Canadian thing... |
2011-09-23 5:16 AM in reply to: #3697080 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever axteraa - 2011-09-23 8:08 AM Climbinggonzo - 2011-09-22 7:53 PM Is that really Lance, because the short amount I just saw looked like a really crappy swimmer, arms smacking the water, didn't look smooth or comfortable at all. 16 seconds for that final 25m. Reports from that swim in Calgary say he was doing 1:01 for 100m in a set. As crappy as it looks, it clearly works. Nobody ever listens to me. Okay, so I guess half of my earlier response was in sarc font and not everyone knew he was skimming 1:00/100m for his fast repeats. |
2011-09-23 6:00 AM in reply to: #3697332 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: The end of the Flip turn debate forever TriAya - 2011-09-23 7:16 AM axteraa - 2011-09-23 8:08 AM Climbinggonzo - 2011-09-22 7:53 PM Is that really Lance, because the short amount I just saw looked like a really crappy swimmer, arms smacking the water, didn't look smooth or comfortable at all. 16 seconds for that final 25m. Reports from that swim in Calgary say he was doing 1:01 for 100m in a set. As crappy as it looks, it clearly works. Nobody ever listens to me. Okay, so I guess half of my earlier response was in sarc font and not everyone knew he was skimming 1:00/100m for his fast repeats. We always listen to you Yanti but sometimes ya just got to spell it out! I bet Lance couldn't do a 40k swim.... |
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