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2011-10-21 1:38 PM

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Subject: First Look: Garmin 910XT

I got a chance to use a new Garmin 910XT today courtesy of Karsten Hagen of Garmin. Karsten made the trip here from Oregon to provide us with a test unit.

One thing I was most impressed by is its pool capability. It provides good swim telemetry and data even in an indoor pool through the use of its internal accelerometer.

The other big feature is the one-button race day tracking that goes from swim to T1 to bike to T2 to run with the touch of a button. It is a nice race day GPS.

The unit is nice to wear, easy to learn to use and massively configurable. The display is a tremendous improvement over other Garmins- I can easily read multiple lines of data without reading glasses. You configure the display so, if you want, you can even have one massive data field anyone could read while going full speed.

Nice button arrangment, easy to learn to use, massive data gathering capability and interesting new capabilities for power measurement with Garmin's new Vector.

I'm in the middle of compiling notes from the use for a review I'm writing now, but initially I like the unit. Lots of capabilities and easy to use.



2011-10-21 1:42 PM
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My 305 is jealous - and will have to remain so.  My pennies went to a new bike, so I'll just have to gaze from a distance for quite sometime.
2011-10-21 1:47 PM
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I asked Garmin if this unit was going to be the "high water mark" for some time, or if there is other technology already on the boards above this. Their reply was interesting: "Well, where else can we go from here?"

The key new technologies on this unit are the pool/indoor usability for swim diagnosis, the continuous race telemetry for any format triathlon (swim, bike, run; swim, run, bike, run; etc.) and the forward compatibility with the new Vector power meter that easily walks from bike to bike, takes power directly from here it is applied and measures left and right leg independently- all for less money than PowerTap and SRM or Quarq.

2011-10-21 1:49 PM
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How is this display an improvement over the 310XT?
2011-10-21 1:54 PM
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How does the one button transition on race day differ from the 310XT? Does it automatically detect what sport you are participating in or something?

I ask because you say 'one button', like the feature is new, but on the 310, once I am set it to race in multi-sport mode, I just have to hit lap in between each sport and I'm ready to go, so I'm curious how the 910 might be different. Granted, I have to hit 'lap' 4 times between each transition, but it is pretty darn easy.

Thanks! It does look like a really cool device, and so far it sounds like it has enough improvements to justify going from a 310 to a 910!
2011-10-21 1:56 PM
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Tom Demerly. - 2011-10-21 2:47 PM

I asked Garmin if this unit was going to be the "high water mark" for some time, or if there is other technology already on the boards above this. Their reply was interesting: "Well, where else can we go from here?"

The key new technologies on this unit are the pool/indoor usability for swim diagnosis, the continuous race telemetry for any format triathlon (swim, bike, run; swim, run, bike, run; etc.) and the forward compatibility with the new Vector power meter that easily walks from bike to bike, takes power directly from here it is applied and measures left and right leg independently- all for less money than PowerTap and SRM or Quarq.

If I'm hearing you correctly, I don't think that is entirely accurate.  Some PT's will still be less than the Vector at $1500.  Am I wrong?



2011-10-21 2:04 PM
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jazz82482 - 2011-10-21 1:54 PM How does the one button transition on race day differ from the 310XT? Does it automatically detect what sport you are participating in or something? I ask because you say 'one button', like the feature is new, but on the 310, once I am set it to race in multi-sport mode, I just have to hit lap in between each sport and I'm ready to go, so I'm curious how the 910 might be different. Granted, I have to hit 'lap' 4 times between each transition, but it is pretty darn easy. Thanks! It does look like a really cool device, and so far it sounds like it has enough improvements to justify going from a 310 to a 910!

My question exactly.

2011-10-21 2:05 PM
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Glad I waited on the 310XT, I am going to ask for one of these for Christmas.  Excited about the pool features.
2011-10-21 2:07 PM
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"How is this display an improvement over the 310XT?"

Great question.

The display is configurable like all Garmin units so no difference there. I do want to measure the overall size of the largest font in the display. I suspect it is either overall larger, or there is better contrast. I'm not sure which.

In any event I can tell you I was able to easily read up to two lines of data without reading glasses while moving. I have a little more difficulty with more data fields selected since I wear a 1.5 power reading glass.

 

2011-10-21 2:13 PM
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Tom Demerly. - 2011-10-21 1:07 PM

"How is this display an improvement over the 310XT?"

Great question.

The display is configurable like all Garmin units so no difference there. I do want to measure the overall size of the largest font in the display. I suspect it is either overall larger, or there is better contrast. I'm not sure which.

In any event I can tell you I was able to easily read up to two lines of data without reading glasses while moving. I have a little more difficulty with more data fields selected since I wear a 1.5 power reading glass.

 

I see. Smile Thanks Tom.

2011-10-21 2:16 PM
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"If I'm hearing you correctly, I don't think that is entirely accurate.  Some PT's will still be less than the Vector at $1500.  Am I wrong?"

An advantage to PowerTap is you can buy power measurement for under $1000. You are married to the same rear hub/wheel- which is a problem on race day if you want to switch wheels, or if you don't use the same wheels racing and training.

PowerTap can start economically and then become expensive. It's up to you.

This new Garmin Vector power measurment unit is not temperature sensitive like PowerTap and SRM and Quarq. the Vector uses a silicone strain guage- not a foil strain gauge- so it produces more consistent readings.

Additionally, Vector walks from bike to bike easily with the turn of a wrench. It travels easily to- it's just a pair of pedals.

The key advantage to Garmin Vector is that it measures power where and how it is applied- independently on left and right leg. It measures power where it is applied. The interpretation of the power data isn't degraded by deformation of the crank arms, crank, bottom bracket, chain deflection, all the other issues that make a minor difference between where the power is applied at the pedal and where it is measured at the rear hub with PowerTap.

The primary drawback is you are (for the time being...) are married to the Look style pedal associated with the Garmin Vector. No Speedplay, Time or Shimano SPD/SL. I asked Garmi why they did that and they said it was because "more rider use look on the road than any other pedal format".



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2011-10-21 2:22 PM
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Tom Demerly. - 2011-10-21 1:47 PM

I asked Garmin if this unit was going to be the "high water mark" for some time, or if there is other technology already on the boards above this. Their reply was interesting: "Well, where else can we go from here?"

The key new technologies on this unit are the pool/indoor usability for swim diagnosis, the continuous race telemetry for any format triathlon (swim, bike, run; swim, run, bike, run; etc.) and the forward compatibility with the new Vector power meter that easily walks from bike to bike, takes power directly from here it is applied and measures left and right leg independently- all for less money than PowerTap and SRM or Quarq.

I have to say this is pretty loaded. It will definitely put a dent on the swim-only watches like finis swim sense, at least for people who do more than just swim. I think it will help me improve my swimming.I'm bummed that they just have this in black now. I happen to like the bright orange color that you can easily find. I have. Pre-ordered so looking forward to getting mine in 3 weeks.
2011-10-21 2:27 PM
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Tom, when your done with your review please PM me and I'll give you my address so you can mail that one to me.  
2011-10-21 2:34 PM
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Well, they never let me keep the stuff... Undecided
2011-10-21 2:34 PM
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thanks for the early information.  I had been holding off on getting a 310XT, so glad that i did.  My polar is just about dead, the watch strap on my RS300x will be held together with some fishing line for my next race.  I am looking forward to getting my hands on the 910XT.


2011-10-21 2:38 PM
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From the picture it looks like the 910 resembles a normal sized wrist watch in both thickness and diameter, is this the case?  My old 305 was like wearing a brick on my wrist.  Children and attractive members of the opposite sex would point and laugh at me.

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Very nice!  Maybe I'll get it for Christmas hehehe!

2011-10-21 2:47 PM
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JZig - 2011-10-21 1:38 PM From the picture it looks like the 910 resembles a normal sized wrist watch in both thickness and diameter, is this the case?  My old 305 was like wearing a brick on my wrist.  Children and attractive members of the opposite sex would point and laugh at me.

It's a tiny bit thinner, but it's still huge like the 310XT. The 305 has that extra bit that wraps around which makes it look even bigger.

Edit: here, there's comparison pictures on the first few paragraphs:

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2011/10/garmin-forerunner-910xt-in-depth-review.html

 

 



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I saw the adds for this a few weeks ago and thought of a way it could be improved well in theory and in my opinion. Since this would be used during the swim leg of the race I wouldn't be leaving it on my bike until T1 like I do with my 305 it would be on my wrist. Now I have yet to use aero bars and actually tomorrow will be my first experience but if the display was to rotate for the bike leg IE the bottom of the display would become the right side wouldn't that make it easier to read while staying in the aero position? Like i said I may be completely wrong and maybe this is a function that wouldn't be helpful but it seems like it would be easier to read on the bike.
2011-10-21 2:51 PM
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jazz82482 - 2011-10-21 1:54 PM How does the one button transition on race day differ from the 310XT? Does it automatically detect what sport you are participating in or something? I ask because you say 'one button', like the feature is new, but on the 310, once I am set it to race in multi-sport mode, I just have to hit lap in between each sport and I'm ready to go, so I'm curious how the 910 might be different. Granted, I have to hit 'lap' 4 times between each transition, but it is pretty darn easy. Thanks! It does look like a really cool device, and so far it sounds like it has enough improvements to justify going from a 310 to a 910!

My question exactly.

Mine too. I can do "one touch" race day thing with my 305, just without the swim part. Maybe the 910 can read timing mats. That would be bada$$!!!



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jeeper9281 - 2011-10-21 3:51 PM

I saw the adds for this a few weeks ago and thought of a way it could be improved well in theory and in my opinion. Since this would be used during the swim leg of the race I wouldn't be leaving it on my bike until T1 like I do with my 305 it would be on my wrist. Now I have yet to use aero bars and actually tomorrow will be my first experience but if the display was to rotate for the bike leg IE the bottom of the display would become the right side wouldn't that make it easier to read while staying in the aero position? Like i said I may be completely wrong and maybe this is a function that wouldn't be helpful but it seems like it would be easier to read on the bike.


There are 2 things you can do. The first option is to put the watch on the inside of your wrist, making it easier to read when in the aero position on your bike. It's not perfect, but I can read it pretty well.

The second option is to buy a garmin quick release kit. It comes with a different band for your wrist, and a bike mount kit. This allows you to quickly and easily detach the garmin from your wrist after the swim, mount it on the separate bike-mount while you ride, then re-mount it back onto your wrist for the run.

Personally, I go with option #1.
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mrbbrad - 2011-10-21 3:51 PM

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jazz82482 - 2011-10-21 1:54 PM How does the one button transition on race day differ from the 310XT? Does it automatically detect what sport you are participating in or something? I ask because you say 'one button', like the feature is new, but on the 310, once I am set it to race in multi-sport mode, I just have to hit lap in between each sport and I'm ready to go, so I'm curious how the 910 might be different. Granted, I have to hit 'lap' 4 times between each transition, but it is pretty darn easy. Thanks! It does look like a really cool device, and so far it sounds like it has enough improvements to justify going from a 310 to a 910!

My question exactly.

Mine too. I can do "one touch" race day thing with my 305, just without the swim part. Maybe the 910 can read timing mats. That would be bada$$!!!



I looked at another write up and it appears the options for multi-sport are the same as the 310xt- you just hit lap.

There are A LOT of other improvements, though, especially if you ride with power. Man I wish I were rich
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jazz82482 - 2011-10-21 3:56 PM
jeeper9281 - 2011-10-21 3:51 PM I saw the adds for this a few weeks ago and thought of a way it could be improved well in theory and in my opinion. Since this would be used during the swim leg of the race I wouldn't be leaving it on my bike until T1 like I do with my 305 it would be on my wrist. Now I have yet to use aero bars and actually tomorrow will be my first experience but if the display was to rotate for the bike leg IE the bottom of the display would become the right side wouldn't that make it easier to read while staying in the aero position? Like i said I may be completely wrong and maybe this is a function that wouldn't be helpful but it seems like it would be easier to read on the bike.
There are 2 things you can do. The first option is to put the watch on the inside of your wrist, making it easier to read when in the aero position on your bike. It's not perfect, but I can read it pretty well. The second option is to buy a garmin quick release kit. It comes with a different band for your wrist, and a bike mount kit. This allows you to quickly and easily detach the garmin from your wrist after the swim, mount it on the separate bike-mount while you ride, then re-mount it back onto your wrist for the run. Personally, I go with option #1.

I have the quick release but then you would need to remove it from your wrist in T1 and put it on the bike. Then reverse in T2. I'm just wondering what others think it would probably just take garmin doing a software update to make it work. It would allow you to leave it on your wrist for the whole race and be able to view it easily

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looks great but at 450 with HRM, I just ordered a 310xt for 289 after discount and 50 rebate....could not justify another 160 or so for basically lap counting.....but if money is not an option go for it!!
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