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2005-10-01 6:57 PM

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Ok, so I'm dating again, a process fraught with excitement and thrills.

I met this guy a month ago - we went out to dinner on Sept 1 (I think) and then spent the day in Santa Cruz on the Saturday of Labor Day weekend.  We were SUPPOSED to get together Monday (of that same weekend.)  He called Sunday, I called him back and left a message, he never called.

So, he calls me up out of the blue yesterday. 

Yes, this is a month later.

We're going out to dinner tonight.

SO - what do I do when I see him tonight?  Do I call him on the flakezoid moment a month ago?  Do I ask him why?  Or let it slide?



2005-10-01 7:01 PM
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2005-10-01 8:32 PM
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Of course you ask, but you do it in a flirting, non chalant, teasing way. For example, you say "well I'm sorry it took you a month to remember how cute I am and that you wanted to go out". If you'd been dating him for longer, you could make a big deal out of it, but not yet. If he does it again, I wouldn't stand for it b/c I think it's rude. Besides that, he asked you out Friday for a Saturday night date? Next time postpone it a little, even if you have nothing going on. I for one never accept a date after Thursday for any time that weekend (IF i barely started dating the guy).

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cadreamer - 2005-10-01 6:57 PM

Ok, so I'm dating again, a process fraught with excitement and thrills.

I met this guy a month ago - we went out to dinner on Sept 1 (I think) and then spent the day in Santa Cruz on the Saturday of Labor Day weekend. We were SUPPOSED to get together Monday (of that same weekend.) He called Sunday, I called him back and left a message, he never called.

So, he calls me up out of the blue yesterday.

Yes, this is a month later.

We're going out to dinner tonight.

SO - what do I do when I see him tonight? Do I call him on the flakezoid moment a month ago? Do I ask him why? Or let it slide?

2005-10-01 8:45 PM
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First of all, I think its mighty nice that you are giving him a second chance and going out with him again, but, I'd call him on the carpet.
It was rude not to call you back, and don't fall for some lame a$$ excuse as to why he didn't call for the past month unless he can prove to you that he spent it under water or on the moon (the space station would also be an acceptable answer).
If he does again, drop him quick, he's playing you.

Just my .02
2005-10-01 9:16 PM
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vmr719 - 2005-10-01 8:32 PM Of course you ask, but you do it in a flirting, non chalant, teasing way.

Guys can be stupid sometimes. Ask him whether or not he won on "Survivor", then let it go.  If he does it to you again, let him go.

2005-10-01 9:23 PM
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You've got a mighty big heart Shellee. Giving him a 2nd chance after standing you up like that? Sounds to me like he's waffling, like he can't decide whether he wants to be in or out of this dating scene with you. That's way too inconsiderate of him...I'd call him on it, but wait until the end of the date so that you don't ruin the evening (for yourself). Get what you can out of it. OK so you're out there and this message is too late. But I'd still call him on it.

For the record, I'd be ashamed of myself if I did something like that...and so should he.



2005-10-01 9:29 PM
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What max said. That was just rude. Call him on it, and be aware that from his point of view, he's confirmed that you'll put up with him being inconsiderate.
2005-10-01 9:36 PM
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I'd "forget" to show up !!! (sorry!)
2005-10-01 9:44 PM
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(from the mind of a guy)

Dating is just that.  Dating.  You go out with several women at once, hence the definition of dating.

Perhaps he's dating 2 other women at the same time and but he's had his weekends filled with other stuff too and that's why it took 4 weekends to call you back.

It just my opinion but go out with him and see how you mesh.  If it's not working, no biggie.  So he didn't call you back, no biggie.

Now if you were dating him for a few months and this happened, he'd be a jerk. 

2005-10-01 10:04 PM
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Uhhh...I'd treat him the same way he treated you - flake out at the last minute - with no explanation. There are only a handful of acceptable reasons for him not to have been in touch with you this whole time:

1) He was abducted by aliens.
2) He was in jail - and his one phone call was naturally to his lawyer.
3) He had amnesia.

His behaviour says a whole lot about his character. Un-freaking-acceptable.

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2005-10-02 1:31 AM
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Steve- - 2005-10-01 9:44 PM

(from the mind of a guy)

Dating is just that.  Dating.  You go out with several women at once, hence the definition of dating.

Perhaps he's dating 2 other women at the same time and but he's had his weekends filled with other stuff too and that's why it took 4 weekends to call you back.

It just my opinion but go out with him and see how you mesh.  If it's not working, no biggie.  So he didn't call you back, no biggie.

Now if you were dating him for a few months and this happened, he'd be a jerk. 



Yes, dating is dating, but respect is respect. Doesn't matter how many or how few times you went out with the guy...if he flaked at the last minute it's rude. Period. Call him on it...but since it IS early in the game, do what Victoria said...be light about it, and not attacking.

From the mind of a gal...


2005-10-02 7:25 AM
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KSlostStar - 2005-10-02 12:31 AM
Steve- - 2005-10-01 9:44 PM

(from the mind of a guy)

Dating is just that.  Dating.  You go out with several women at once, hence the definition of dating.

Perhaps he's dating 2 other women at the same time and but he's had his weekends filled with other stuff too and that's why it took 4 weekends to call you back.

It just my opinion but go out with him and see how you mesh.  If it's not working, no biggie.  So he didn't call you back, no biggie.

Now if you were dating him for a few months and this happened, he'd be a jerk. 

Yes, dating is dating, but respect is respect. Doesn't matter how many or how few times you went out with the guy...if he flaked at the last minute it's rude. Period. Call him on it...but since it IS early in the game, do what Victoria said...be light about it, and not attacking. From the mind of a gal...

Oh c'mon man.  Telling someone your gonna call them isn't a binding contractual agreement!  Geez.  She needs to stop taking "I'll call you" so seriously all the time.

Let me give you an example.  When I lived in Europe, it's quite common from people to say "I'll call you" instead of "goodbye" when you're departing from a face-to-face meeting or gathering.

Did I go around and get all worried/worked up/thinking about why all these people didn't really call me?

I think the real problem is that she took it too "literally"

that's how I see it anyway, and if she sees it different then that's probabaly the primary reason for the rift in understanding.

"Respect?"  I'm sorry but . . . Get Over Yourself!  He didn't call her an offensive name or spray paint her car or send her a nasty letter.

Bottom line, it's not a big deal and it's my opinion that if she continues to think it is like you do then she may be finding yourself "dating" for several years to come.  No joke.  



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2005-10-02 7:44 AM
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Steve- - 2005-10-02 7:25 AM

KSlostStar - 2005-10-02 12:31 AM
Steve- - 2005-10-01 9:44 PM

(from the mind of a guy)

Dating is just that.  Dating.  You go out with several women at once, hence the definition of dating.

Perhaps he's dating 2 other women at the same time and but he's had his weekends filled with other stuff too and that's why it took 4 weekends to call you back.

It just my opinion but go out with him and see how you mesh.  If it's not working, no biggie.  So he didn't call you back, no biggie.

Now if you were dating him for a few months and this happened, he'd be a jerk. 

Yes, dating is dating, but respect is respect. Doesn't matter how many or how few times you went out with the guy...if he flaked at the last minute it's rude. Period. Call him on it...but since it IS early in the game, do what Victoria said...be light about it, and not attacking. From the mind of a gal...

Oh c'mon man.  Telling someone your gonna call them isn't a binding contractual agreement!  Geez.  She needs to stop taking "I'll call you" so seriously all the time.

Let me give you an example.  When I lived in Europe, it's quite common from people to say "I'll call you" instead of "goodbye" when you're departing from a face-to-face meeting or gathering.

Did I go around and get all worried/worked up/thinking about why all these people didn't really call me?

I think the real problem is that she took it too "literally"

that's how I see it anyway, and if she sees it different then that's probabaly the primary reason for the rift in understanding.

"Respect?"  I'm sorry but . . . Get Over Yourself!  He didn't call her an offensive name or spray paint her car or send her a nasty letter.

Bottom line, it's not a big deal and it's my opinion that if she continues to think it is like you do then she may be finding yourself "dating" for several years to come.  No joke.  



I agree with you in general Steve, but it sounds like they had specific plans for that original Monday and in that case he did have an obligation to call and cancel if he needed to.

If I were her I'd probably go out with him again to see what his story is...totally call him on it. It would actally be an opportunity to find out what his stand is on dating.

I wonder what happened...?!?




2005-10-02 7:58 AM
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I'd go with razzing him about it and find out what happened. I went through something similar recently, nice guy just dropped off the face of the earth for a couple weeks - I finally sent one more email humorously digging him on it and found out his computer had crashed, my phone number and email were in it, and I'd managed to write down his phone number *wrong* when he gave it to me...
2005-10-02 8:43 AM
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Steve, while I agree with you that "I'll call you later" should not always be taken literally, don't you think that at the very least this guy's Houdini act is a sign of apathy? C'mon, you *know* when someone is interested or when he wants to keep his options open. Men aren't complicated creatures - actions speak louder than words. If you have to ask then the answer is no.

And in the spirit of "everyone deserves a second chance," I would've at least let him sweat it out before I agreed to go out again. I would not have, under any circumstances, agreed after the first attempt.
2005-10-02 9:32 AM
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For any who are interested (which it appears is many)

YES - we DID have specific plans for that Monday.  "I'll call you" - and then some time passes, that's ok.  "Let's go do this specific thing together on a specific date" and then vanish - not ok.

So, I did go out with him last night.  Everyone deserves a second chance, and after all, I did not know what happened the first time.  Also, I liked him, so that probably played a big factor.

Anyway, short version - I talked to him about it, he didn't really have a good explanation.  There were also inconsistencies about things he told me from the first time to this time.  So, I'm now getting the feeling that he's a game player and just trying to tell me what I want to hear, so he can get what he wants.  Not planning on going out with him again, but I am glad that I went this time, cause now I know for sure.



2005-10-02 11:07 AM
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adventuress - 2005-10-01 11:04 PM

Uhhh...I'd treat him the same way he treated you - flake out at the last minute - with no explanation. There are only a handful of acceptable reasons for him not to have been in touch with you this whole time:

1) He was abducted by aliens.
2) He was in jail - and his one phone call was naturally to his lawyer.
3) He had amnesia.

His behaviour says a whole lot about his character. Un-freaking-acceptable.


Diabetic coma and secret lifesaving mission to Kuala Lumpor also qualify.
2005-10-02 11:20 AM
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CAdreamer, good for you. Be fair, but always go with your gut. Hey, I may be posting a similar thread soon!
2005-10-02 12:46 PM
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Suppose it's better to put the wondering to rest- but I think you gave him more than he deserved- !
2005-10-02 5:10 PM
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cadreamer - 2005-10-02 8:32 AM

For any who are interested (which it appears is many)

YES - we DID have specific plans for that Monday.  "I'll call you" - and then some time passes, that's ok.  "Let's go do this specific thing together on a specific date" and then vanish - not ok.

So, I did go out with him last night.  Everyone deserves a second chance, and after all, I did not know what happened the first time.  Also, I liked him, so that probably played a big factor.

Anyway, short version - I talked to him about it, he didn't really have a good explanation.  There were also inconsistencies about things he told me from the first time to this time.  So, I'm now getting the feeling that he's a game player and just trying to tell me what I want to hear, so he can get what he wants.  Not planning on going out with him again, but I am glad that I went this time, cause now I know for sure.

After all's said and done.  I'm happy that you were able to put your mind at ease.

No matter what I (or others) suggest, you really have to live with your own decisions and from your post it sounds like you made the best one.

"Next?" 

2005-10-02 5:28 PM
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don't take that crap lying down.


2005-10-02 8:04 PM
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You seem very level headed about this whole thing and I respect you for that.  You gave this guya a second chance and he blew it!  Poor shlep, I wonder if he will ever realise what a fine opportunity he passed up?

2005-10-02 9:15 PM
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I'm a guy. Prior to my wife making me a better person, I was a cad. Call him on it in a nice way ... but in a way that lets him know that you are not going to put up with it/him/whatever.

Then order a really expensive bottle of wine.

I recommend Opus (http://www.wineaccess.com/store/finewineinternational/ecommerce/product.html?product_id=128784).
2005-10-03 1:59 AM
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Steve- - 2005-10-02 7:25 AM

KSlostStar - 2005-10-02 12:31 AM
Steve- - 2005-10-01 9:44 PM

(from the mind of a guy)

Dating is just that.  Dating.  You go out with several women at once, hence the definition of dating.

Perhaps he's dating 2 other women at the same time and but he's had his weekends filled with other stuff too and that's why it took 4 weekends to call you back.

It just my opinion but go out with him and see how you mesh.  If it's not working, no biggie.  So he didn't call you back, no biggie.

Now if you were dating him for a few months and this happened, he'd be a jerk. 

Yes, dating is dating, but respect is respect. Doesn't matter how many or how few times you went out with the guy...if he flaked at the last minute it's rude. Period. Call him on it...but since it IS early in the game, do what Victoria said...be light about it, and not attacking. From the mind of a gal...

Oh c'mon man.  Telling someone your gonna call them isn't a binding contractual agreement!  Geez.  She needs to stop taking "I'll call you" so seriously all the time.

Let me give you an example.  When I lived in Europe, it's quite common from people to say "I'll call you" instead of "goodbye" when you're departing from a face-to-face meeting or gathering.

Did I go around and get all worried/worked up/thinking about why all these people didn't really call me?

I think the real problem is that she took it too "literally"

that's how I see it anyway, and if she sees it different then that's probabaly the primary reason for the rift in understanding.

"Respect?"  I'm sorry but . . . Get Over Yourself!  He didn't call her an offensive name or spray paint her car or send her a nasty letter.

Bottom line, it's not a big deal and it's my opinion that if she continues to think it is like you do then she may be finding yourself "dating" for several years to come.  No joke.  



Actually, there were specific plans, at least that was what I understood in the OP. And I say, if they had specific plans and he didn't call, that wasn't very nice.

I don't think expecting common courtesy is expecting too much, or taking it too seriously. When I was single and dating I expected to be treated a certain way, and lucky me married a fun and wonderful guy 10 years ago. I understand the analogy you gave, and agree. So telling me to "get over myself" was a little nasty.
2005-10-03 8:08 AM
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Hmmm...I've been in your place before.  Actually that always happens to me.  My opinion is that when something like this happens, the guy is just keeping you on the back burner.  Most likely I would assume that he's interested in you, along with a few others.  He's not sure how it'll work with the others, so he keeps you warm.  I don't like it when guys do that- only because I am looking for a real relationship, not just someone to hang out with every now and then.  Just be careful not to get attached- guard your heart, because obviously he's going to play with it.  And...in my dating experiences, if a guy plays those games I automatically assume he doesn't like me THAT much, or else he would want to take me out more often and pursue a real relationship.  Therefore, he gets moved from being "dateable" material to non-dateable material. I don't like to invest my time in guys who do that kind of stuff.

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