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2013-01-21 8:50 AM

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Up until a 5 days ago, Groupon had ZERO issues with running Groupons or specials dealing with gun (concealed HG class, gun instruction, etc), but in light of all that's happened with the Executive Orders and Bidens report....Groupon has decided to pull all specials related to guns and is "examining internal policy" regarding anything related to guns.

So.....one group of people think that you you should run this. Another group think that you shouldn't. You have had no issue up until now, yet you cancel them???

Groupon will not get my business anymore. If you run your business based on pressure from one side or another and not run it in a way that YOU want to, then you don't deserve my business. Stick to what you feel is right.....not what one faction of your customers think.




2013-01-21 8:57 AM
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Aren't they running it how they want to? They don't want the negative connotation that has recently been associated so they made a business move to stop them. I never use Groupon so I don't have any feelings towards them anyway.
2013-01-21 9:04 AM
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My wife bought two concealed carry classes over a year ago through Groupon. When we tried to schedule the class, the business never answered the phone and never returned our calls and we never got our money back.

I know this has nothing to do with Groupon's decision but it is a related rant.

 

2013-01-21 9:08 AM
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They can choose to run their business in any way they want within legal guidelines. No different than Chik-Fil-a closing on Sundays or Wegmans not selling cigarettes. You, as a consumer, have the choice of shopping their or not.
2013-01-21 9:12 AM
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JoshR - 2013-01-21 8:57 AM

Aren't they running it how they want to? They don't want the negative connotation that has recently been associated so they made a business move to stop them. I never use Groupon so I don't have any feelings towards them anyway.



No....up until last week, they had at least one to two gun deals a week.....now they're reversing it becuase of what's going on. Either stick with what you're doing or never run them at all.

Did Chick-Fil-A back down? Is Hobby Lobby? No. They have their belief system (right, wrong, indifferent) but they are saying "This is our business, this is what we believe in, if you don't like it you can shop elsewhere.". Groupon is saying "we've gotten complaints so we're pulling the deals". Yet, up until a few days ago you were fine with it. Stick to your guns.



2013-01-21 9:13 AM
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bradleyd3 - 2013-01-21 9:50 AM So.....one group of people think that you you should run this. Another group think that you shouldn't. You have had no issue up until now, yet you cancel them???

Groupon will not get my business anymore. If you run your business based on pressure from one side or another and not run it in a way that YOU want to, then you don't deserve my business. Stick to what you feel is right.....not what one faction of your customers think.

Either way, by your logic, you shouldn't give them any business. Say they put back the gun-related stuff, based on pressure from the pro-gun people. Then, by your logic, they'd be running their business based on said pressure and they wouldn't deserve your business.

And besides, how do you know what was in the CEO's head when he made this decision? Perhaps he's been anti-gun all along and now he just feels enough is enough. You're free to give business to whomever you like, but your logic here is suspect, at best.

 



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2013-01-21 9:13 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2013-01-21 9:08 AM

They can choose to run their business in any way they want within legal guidelines. No different than Chik-Fil-a closing on Sundays or Wegmans not selling cigarettes. You, as a consumer, have the choice of shopping their or not.


I'd feel the same way about CFA if they said "we're going to open on Sunday now because there is a group of athiest that think we should"......

2013-01-21 9:16 AM
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tealeaf - 2013-01-21 9:13 AM

bradleyd3 - 2013-01-21 9:50 AM So.....one group of people think that you you should run this. Another group think that you shouldn't. You have had no issue up until now, yet you cancel them???

Groupon will not get my business anymore. If you run your business based on pressure from one side or another and not run it in a way that YOU want to, then you don't deserve my business. Stick to what you feel is right.....not what one faction of your customers think.

Either way, by your logic, you shouldn't give them any business. Say they kept the gun-related stuff. Then, by your logic, they'd be running their business based on pressure from the pro-gun people, and they wouldn't deserve your business.

And besides, how do you know what was in the CEO's head when he made this decision? Perhaps he's been anti-gun all along and now he just feels enough is enough. You're free to give business to whomever you like, but your logic here is suspect, at best.

 




No.....they would be running the business the way THEY want. Not because of the pro or anti gun folks. They have chosen to run the business that way for 5-6 years. Now, all of a sudden, they are "reviewing their procedures". C'mon. Don't bow down to pressure. You were fine with it 10 days ago, but not 5 days ago.

2013-01-21 9:18 AM
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bradleyd3 - 2013-01-21 10:16 AM
tealeaf - 2013-01-21 9:13 AM

bradleyd3 - 2013-01-21 9:50 AM So.....one group of people think that you you should run this. Another group think that you shouldn't. You have had no issue up until now, yet you cancel them???

Groupon will not get my business anymore. If you run your business based on pressure from one side or another and not run it in a way that YOU want to, then you don't deserve my business. Stick to what you feel is right.....not what one faction of your customers think.

Either way, by your logic, you shouldn't give them any business. Say they kept the gun-related stuff. Then, by your logic, they'd be running their business based on pressure from the pro-gun people, and they wouldn't deserve your business.

And besides, how do you know what was in the CEO's head when he made this decision? Perhaps he's been anti-gun all along and now he just feels enough is enough. You're free to give business to whomever you like, but your logic here is suspect, at best.

No.....they would be running the business the way THEY want. Not because of the pro or anti gun folks. They have chosen to run the business that way for 5-6 years. Now, all of a sudden, they are "reviewing their procedures". C'mon. Don't bow down to pressure. You were fine with it 10 days ago, but not 5 days ago.

Again, how do you know what was in the CEO's head when he made this decision?

2013-01-21 9:20 AM
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What I find more funny is all I keep hearing is how there is not enough training and instruction.... and Groupon cancels sales for instriction and training.... it's not like it was buy one gun get the second half price. Undecided
2013-01-21 9:24 AM
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tealeaf - 2013-01-21 9:18 AM
Again, how do you know what was in the CEO's head when he made this decision?




If that was in his head when he made the decision, then he shouldn't have been selling them in the first place.



2013-01-21 9:26 AM
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bradleyd3 - 2013-01-21 10:16 AM
tealeaf - 2013-01-21 9:13 AM

bradleyd3 - 2013-01-21 9:50 AM So.....one group of people think that you you should run this. Another group think that you shouldn't. You have had no issue up until now, yet you cancel them???

Groupon will not get my business anymore. If you run your business based on pressure from one side or another and not run it in a way that YOU want to, then you don't deserve my business. Stick to what you feel is right.....not what one faction of your customers think.

Either way, by your logic, you shouldn't give them any business. Say they kept the gun-related stuff. Then, by your logic, they'd be running their business based on pressure from the pro-gun people, and they wouldn't deserve your business.

And besides, how do you know what was in the CEO's head when he made this decision? Perhaps he's been anti-gun all along and now he just feels enough is enough. You're free to give business to whomever you like, but your logic here is suspect, at best.

 

No.....they would be running the business the way THEY want. Not because of the pro or anti gun folks. They have chosen to run the business that way for 5-6 years. Now, all of a sudden, they are "reviewing their procedures". C'mon. Don't bow down to pressure. You were fine with it 10 days ago, but not 5 days ago.
As a publicly held company they are obligated to do what is best for their shareholders. If market analysis shows they can get more customers by selling weasels instead of ferrets, they will do that. Chik-Fil-a is privately held. Perhaps this is a better explanation. Either way, you have a choice.
2013-01-21 9:53 AM
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Bigger fan of Groupon now.
2013-01-21 9:59 AM
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The more responses I hear from the anti gun side the more they reminds me other another group that is fighting to keep basic rights away from a segment of the population.

2013-01-21 10:42 AM
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Big Appa - 2013-01-21 8:59 AM

The more responses I hear from the anti gun side the more they reminds me other another group that is fighting to keep basic rights away from a segment of the population.

Pretty sure the slave owners in 1865 said much the same thing. Times change, world moves on. 

As for Groupon - when cigarettes and booze are cheap, more people buy em - when they are more expensive, less do. So making C&C permits/courses more expensive is a good strategy. Although if it's a safety/usage class for people that already own a gun, I'd agree with powerman and want them as cheap as possible. 

2013-01-22 4:40 AM
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bradleyd3 - 2013-01-21 3:12 PM
JoshR - 2013-01-21 8:57 AM Aren't they running it how they want to? They don't want the negative connotation that has recently been associated so they made a business move to stop them. I never use Groupon so I don't have any feelings towards them anyway.
No....up until last week, they had at least one to two gun deals a week.....now they're reversing it becuase of what's going on. Either stick with what you're doing or never run them at all. Did Chick-Fil-A back down? Is Hobby Lobby? No. They have their belief system (right, wrong, indifferent) but they are saying "This is our business, this is what we believe in, if you don't like it you can shop elsewhere.". Groupon is saying "we've gotten complaints so we're pulling the deals". Yet, up until a few days ago you were fine with it. Stick to your guns.

So aren't groupon just saying that they're indifferent?  Seems like they dont care about gun culture but figure they'll make more money in the long run by appealling to the non-gun crowd.  Capitalism FTW!

 



2013-01-22 9:59 AM
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powerman - 2013-01-21 10:20 AM

What I find more funny is all I keep hearing is how there is not enough training and instruction.... and Groupon cancels sales for instriction and training.... it's not like it was buy one gun get the second half price. Undecided


Exactly. All those "There should be more training" types should be aghast that safety training is not as available to low income people now.

Considering how low groupon's stock has fallen I guess they had to do something. I do believe this is not the something they should have done. If their stock drops further due to this, it would be amusing to see the stock holders sue for groupon using business practices that were not in the best interest of the business.

2013-01-22 10:06 AM
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http://www.investorideas.com/news/2013/main/01223.asp
It appears the halcyon days of November, 2011 were something of a dream for the deal of the day company. Less than a year later, Groupon, in a stunning turn of events, has garnered the dubious distinction of being branded the worst stock of the 2012 by Forbes.
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Errors in its accounting procedures earlier this year prompted a threat by The Securities and Exchange Commission to investigate the company's financial practices. The announcement caused a 17 percent drop in price of shares in early April, down to $15.27. In May stock had fallen to $10.00 a share. By June it had dropped to below $9.00. The stock has lost an astounding 75 percent of its value in less than a year. As of today the market value is $5.05.


I'm not sure they know what a good business move is, in all honesty.

2013-01-22 12:34 PM
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DanielG - 2013-01-22 9:06 AM http://www.investorideas.com/news/2013/main/01223.asp
It appears the halcyon days of November, 2011 were something of a dream for the deal of the day company. Less than a year later, Groupon, in a stunning turn of events, has garnered the dubious distinction of being branded the worst stock of the 2012 by Forbes. (...) Errors in its accounting procedures earlier this year prompted a threat by The Securities and Exchange Commission to investigate the company's financial practices. The announcement caused a 17 percent drop in price of shares in early April, down to $15.27. In May stock had fallen to $10.00 a share. By June it had dropped to below $9.00. The stock has lost an astounding 75 percent of its value in less than a year. As of today the market value is $5.05.
I'm not sure they know what a good business move is, in all honesty.

 

You mean you can't screw over small business' by making them sell their items/services for more than half off? Who knew!

2013-01-22 1:13 PM
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bradleyd3 - 2013-01-21 8:50 AM Up until a 5 days ago, Groupon had ZERO issues with running Groupons or specials dealing with gun (concealed HG class, gun instruction, etc), but in light of all that's happened with the Executive Orders and Bidens report....Groupon has decided to pull all specials related to guns and is "examining internal policy" regarding anything related to guns. So.....one group of people think that you you should run this. Another group think that you shouldn't. You have had no issue up until now, yet you cancel them??? Groupon will not get my business anymore. If you run your business based on pressure from one side or another and not run it in a way that YOU want to, then you don't deserve my business. Stick to what you feel is right.....not what one faction of your customers think.

Is your boycott not an attempt to have them do "what one faction of [their] customers think"?
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I cancelled my subscription... or whatever you may call it... this morning.


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jgaither - 2013-01-22 1:13 PM

Is your boycott not an attempt to have them do "what one faction of [their] customers think"?





Not 100%.....and the boat seems to been missed here. I'm talking about a company having the b@lls to sell what they want to sell without fear of retribution from one faction of customers or another.

If groupon said "We're going to sell beer/liquor deals" then they would get back lash from MADD, southern baptist, AA, etc......but to say you're going to do something, then pull back after a little bad pubilicty. THAT'S were the issue is.


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bradleyd3 - 2013-01-22 2:28 PM
jgaither - 2013-01-22 1:13 PM Is your boycott not an attempt to have them do "what one faction of [their] customers think"?
Not 100%.....and the boat seems to been missed here. I'm talking about a company having the b@lls to sell what they want to sell without fear of retribution from one faction of customers or another. If groupon said "We're going to sell beer/liquor deals" then they would get back lash from MADD, southern baptist, AA, etc......but to say you're going to do something, then pull back after a little bad pubilicty. THAT'S were the issue is.

How about a company having the balls to change their stance on a product they used to sell but have decided to no longer sell?

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mrbbrad - 2013-01-22 1:46 PM

How about a company having the balls to change their stance on a product they used to sell but have decided to no longer sell?




But that's not the case. They decided to stop selling the gun deals due to backlash from anti-gun folks. That's called not having a backbone.

If a company says "We're not selling XYZ anymore becuase it's pulling down revenue", that's different.








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bradleyd3 - 2013-01-22 1:28 PM
jgaither - 2013-01-22 1:13 PM Is your boycott not an attempt to have them do "what one faction of [their] customers think"?
Not 100%.....and the boat seems to been missed here. I'm talking about a company having the b@lls to sell what they want to sell without fear of retribution from one faction of customers or another. If groupon said "We're going to sell beer/liquor deals" then they would get back lash from MADD, southern baptist, AA, etc......but to say you're going to do something, then pull back after a little bad pubilicty. THAT'S were the issue is.

So if they started producing gun related coupons again based on customer and merchant feedback, would you then drop your boycott?

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